Israel and Palestine

[roc_enthusiast]

Would you ever try and learn something.

Educate yourselves. Read my posts above.

The Nabka was where Arabs attacked the Jewish community, and lost badly.

“I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars.”
- Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League - Akhbar al-Yom, Egypt, October 11, 1947).



The Arab League put the message out telling Arabs to leave, and then when the Jews were dead they could return.

Whereas read Plan Dalet, from the New Historian archives, it instructs the brigade and battalion commanders to leave Arab populations in place.

Those who did stay are now Israeli-Palestinian citizens living in peace and prosperity, better than any other Arab in the region.

The Arabs did not grasp how hard the tiny Jewish state would fight back against their five armies, did they.



Then what happened.

Well unlike any other refugee population, who were essentially told to move one and accept the new borders and sovereignties established in the wake of crumbling empires, the Arab refugees of the 1948 war, waged for the declared purpose of preventing a Jewish state, were indulged in hijacking an organization, UNRWA, to create an ever increasing group of people who claim to be “refugees” and who refuse to be settled until they achieve their goal of no Jewish state.

So today, UNRWA falsely counts over six million such “refugees,” while Palestinian leaders themselves speak of eight to nine million.

Their demand is that all of them - children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of the original refugees - possess an individual "right of return" to settle inside Israel.

“In demanding the return of the Palestinian refugees the Arabs mean their return as masters, not slaves, or to put it more clearly – the intention is the extermination of Israel.”
- Salah al-Din, Egyptian Foreign Minister - Al-Misri, Egypt, October 11, 1949).

“If the refugees return to Israel – Israel will cease to exist.”
- Gamal Abdel Nasser - Zuercher Woche, West Germany, September 1, 1961).

And that's the game. That's your eighty years of lies and bullshit, and why those Palestinians have been held hostage without rights or citizenship by the Arab states, that their leftist supporters play along with.

While pretending they only care about the suffering of the Palestinians.

Odious braindead arseholes.

[roc_enthusiast]

Judaism is a religion, so anti-semitism is hatred of a religion.

Perhaps antisemitism was that in the western Zeitgeist of the church era. And sure there still exists large elements of it in Muslim antisemitism.

But today, in the West, where religion little figures, especially in the minds of the left who actively denigrate religion, antisemitism lies in hatred of Israel as a proxy for hating Jews, and particularly as a device to circumvent taboos left behind by the Holocaust.

Anti-Zionism has become the new dressing for the old passion of antisemitism.

Because of course the aim of antisemitism is always to convince as many people of the era as possible that there are legitimate reasons to resume hating Jews.

Zionism is a racist political ideology

According to people like you. Who are possessed by a vile ideology and dogma.

Whereas according to people in possession of their regular state of mind it is simply a word for Jews, by Jews, and it means that Jews are a Nation, and they have a right to self-determination.

that happens to be liked by some fundamentalist Jewish individuals and also some fundamentalist Christian head the balls in America.

Again, Zionism is basically Jewish nationalism.

Whereas your lies, distortions and inventions such as above arise from a Jewish anti-nationalism.

You would deny the Jewish community any semblance of nationhood, you dismiss their people as "just a religion", and of course your left ideology sees religion as nothing.

Some Jewish individuals also are anti-zionist

Yes, there are. A very small proportion that are amplified by modern media over the vast majority.

Usually radical left leaning, with a holier-than-thou self-righteous narcissism, who thereby fell for antizionist ideology and its inherent theology built on victimhood hierachies etc.

As with mainstream non-Jewish antizionism you find the usual cult mentality, desperation to be accepted by their progressive peers, and so on.

meaning it would be insane to equate members of a religion as hating their own co-religionists, a logical fallacy. Therefore, anti-semitism is not the same as anti-zionism.

Well you just exhibit your own "logic".

First, Jews are a people, a nation, with community binds far beyond just religion. Never mind how so many Jews are agnostic, atheist, casual about their religion.

Second, antisemitism is a mass minded phenomenon. A mob phenomenon. No antisemite in history ever admitted they hated Jews because they were Jews. They hated them first for their religion, then for their race, and today they are hated for their nation state.

Remember antisemites were always able to think well of themselves because they had a logic underlying their antisemitism, that always included a systematic litany of accusations tailored to the prevailing spirit of their times - just as today the accusations of racism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, attempted genocide, crimes against humanity, and so on, are tailored to the current "age of human rights", the current Zeitgeist.

That'll do for today's logic lesson R'OC.

Your "logic" is the logic of today's antisemitism. In a word, anti-Zionism.

A logic built on lies and inversions and distortions. A logic built on one of the crudest, most dishonest and most racist campaigns of disinformation of modern times. A logic and a disinformation campaign belonging to an ideology that was a cynical and hideous manipulation.

The following article may be worth a read in this regard:

How Soviet Anti-Zionism Engineered Jewish Confusion and Western Self-Hate

"... Anti-zionism is perhaps the most sophisticated form of anti-Jewish bigotry precisely because it was designed to masquerade as political criticism. The Soviet propaganda machine meticulously engineered this movement, coding it in a way that invited endless focus on Israel and Israel’s actions. We know why the Soviets did this: by framing Israel as a “colonial apartheid project,” they effectively tainted Israel with the sins of the West for Western leftists...".

Referring to the participation of Jews in it:

"... By designing a hate movement to appear political, what the Soviets could not have foreseen, however, was how Jews themselves would be deceived into participating in the political debate...".

[knownunknown]

The green prince, Mossab Hassan Youssef describing his grandparents leaving during the Nakba.

[StarryPlough01]

So you were wrong. It took 10 posts of you arguing to finally admit it?

It’s very clear your MO is just to clutter this thread up with rubbish. You don’t want people to be able to read it.

KuK, your repeated deflections from the historian-backed statistical consensus on the Nakba ethnic cleansing (Wiki Nakba historiography provided by AFR) ... betray an unwillingness to confront the historical record.

Footnote 19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

[StarryPlough01]

Independent B’Tselem - the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories - published a statement in February calling Trump & Netanyahu’s plan for the ethnic cleansing of 2 million Palestinians in Gaza a second Nakba.

‘Trump and Netanyahu’s roadmap: Nakba, forcible transfer and expulsion’
05 February 2025
https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/ ... _expulsion

“Trump’s announcement this morning (Feb 5) constitutes a call for ethnic cleansing through uprooting and forcibly transferring some 2 million people. This is Trump and Netanyahu’s roadmap for a second Nakba of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. 

“The idea is deranged and reprehensible. Regardless of its feasibility, the very fact of its announcement is an indelible moral stain on all involved. Implementing such a plan would be a grave violation of international law. 

“This move is intended to realize the ambitions of the regime in Israel and its distorted worldview, which justifies completely dispossessing the Palestinian people and erasing their rights through mass killing and destruction, along with seizing all Palestinian lands. 
[...]

“The essence of the apartheid regime in place between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is to promote and perpetuate the supremacy of one group over another. B'Tselem works to change this reality, recognizing that this is the only way to realize a future in which human rights, liberty and equality are guaranteed to all human beings living here, Palestinians and Jews alike.”

Apartheid
12 January 2021
https://www.btselem.org/apartheid

"The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group – Jews – over another – Palestinians.

"B’Tselem rejects the perception of Israel as a democracy (inside the Green Line) that simultaneously upholds a temporary military occupation (beyond it). B’Tselem reached the conclusion that the bar for defining the Israeli regime as an apartheid regime has been met after considering the accumulation of policies and laws that Israel devised to entrench its control over Palestinians.

^^^ Green Line (Israel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)

"The key tool Israel uses to implement the principle of Jewish supremacy is engineering space geographically, demographically and politically. Jews go about their lives in a single, contiguous space where they enjoy full rights and self-determination. In contrast, Palestinians live in a space that is fragmented into several units, each with a different set of rights – given or denied by Israel, but always inferior to the rights accorded to Jews.

The Israeli regime pursues this organizing principle in four major areas:
Land [...]
Citizenship [...]
Freedom of movement [...]
Political participation [...]

"In the entire area, control over these aspects of life lies entirely in Israel’s hands – the sole power determining the population registry; land allocation; voter rolls; and the right (or denial thereof) to travel within, enter or exit any part of the area. The Israeli regime has grown increasingly explicit regarding its Jewish supremacist ideology, a process that has seen two major unmasking milestones in recent years. One was the enactment of Basic Law: Israel – the Nation State of the Jewish People, which declares the distinction between Jews and non-Jews fundamental and legitimate, and permits institutional discrimination in land management and development, housing, citizenship, language and culture. The second came in the form of official statements regarding formal annexation of more parts of the West Bank, attesting to Israel’s long-term intentions and debunking claims of “temporary occupation.”
[...]

Starry: ^^^ B'Tselem's Press Releases convey significant information

[StarryPlough01]

One Arab judge of 15 total Supreme Court judges and 12 Arab politicians in the Knesset of 120 members. Personally, if I was looking for a hill to die on and make more ad hominens, I'd have gone with the Knesset figure. Makes for a stronger case really. So that's 7% of the judges and 10% of the Knesset madeup of minority background members. Why then are minorities so underrepresented when they make up almost 30% of Israel's population? Care to enlighten me about that dear knownunknown?

South Africa's Apartheid regime did similar things as the death bells tolled for their racist regime. In 1991 as the writing was on the wall for Apartheid there, De Klerk the last South African Apartheid Prime minister put a minority background individual on the South African Supreme Court. A kind of desperate attempt to pretend they weren't a bunch of white supremacists, kinda how I imagine the pick was done for Khaled Khabub by the Zionists. Put one of the minorities in, they can't change anything because it's only one of fifteen, and we get to mudguard ourselves a little against the blatant Apartheid and racism within out society. Why do you reckon Kabub was put on the Supreme Court panel in 2022 dear knownunknown?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_Mahomed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub

ANF, As the saying goes 'some people are more equal others'.

This B'Tselem link might be useful:
Not a "vibrant democracy". This is apartheid.
https://www.btselem.org/publications/20 ... _apartheid

[ceannairceach]

Independent B’Tselem - the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories - published a statement in February calling Trump & Netanyahu’s plan for the ethnic cleansing of 2 million Palestinians in Gaza a second Nakba.

‘Trump and Netanyahu’s roadmap: Nakba, forcible transfer and expulsion’
05 February 2025
https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/ ... _expulsion

“Trump’s announcement this morning (Feb 5) constitutes a call for ethnic cleansing through uprooting and forcibly transferring some 2 million people. This is Trump and Netanyahu’s roadmap for a second Nakba of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. 

“The idea is deranged and reprehensible. Regardless of its feasibility, the very fact of its announcement is an indelible moral stain on all involved. Implementing such a plan would be a grave violation of international law. 

“This move is intended to realize the ambitions of the regime in Israel and its distorted worldview, which justifies completely dispossessing the Palestinian people and erasing their rights through mass killing and destruction, along with seizing all Palestinian lands. 
[...]





Apartheid
12 January 2021
https://www.btselem.org/apartheid

"The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group – Jews – over another – Palestinians.

"B’Tselem rejects the perception of Israel as a democracy (inside the Green Line) that simultaneously upholds a temporary military occupation (beyond it). B’Tselem reached the conclusion that the bar for defining the Israeli regime as an apartheid regime has been met after considering the accumulation of policies and laws that Israel devised to entrench its control over Palestinians.

^^^ Green Line (Israel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)

"The key tool Israel uses to implement the principle of Jewish supremacy is engineering space geographically, demographically and politically. Jews go about their lives in a single, contiguous space where they enjoy full rights and self-determination. In contrast, Palestinians live in a space that is fragmented into several units, each with a different set of rights – given or denied by Israel, but always inferior to the rights accorded to Jews.

The Israeli regime pursues this organizing principle in four major areas:
Land [...]
Citizenship [...]
Freedom of movement [...]
Political participation [...]

"In the entire area, control over these aspects of life lies entirely in Israel’s hands – the sole power determining the population registry; land allocation; voter rolls; and the right (or denial thereof) to travel within, enter or exit any part of the area. The Israeli regime has grown increasingly explicit regarding its Jewish supremacist ideology, a process that has seen two major unmasking milestones in recent years. One was the enactment of Basic Law: Israel – the Nation State of the Jewish People, which declares the distinction between Jews and non-Jews fundamental and legitimate, and permits institutional discrimination in land management and development, housing, citizenship, language and culture. The second came in the form of official statements regarding formal annexation of more parts of the West Bank, attesting to Israel’s long-term intentions and debunking claims of “temporary occupation.”
[...]

Starry: ^^^ B'Tselem's Press Releases convey significant information

Seriously you need to start a blog … I mean no one will read it but it’ll give us a break.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Would you ever try and learn something.

Educate yourselves. Read my posts above.

The Nabka was where Arabs attacked the Jewish community, and lost badly.

“I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars.”
- Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League - Akhbar al-Yom, Egypt, October 11, 1947).



The Arab League put the message out telling Arabs to leave, and then when the Jews were dead they could return.

Whereas read Plan Dalet, from the New Historian archives, it instructs the brigade and battalion commanders to leave Arab populations in place.

Those who did stay are now Israeli-Palestinian citizens living in peace and prosperity, better than any other Arab in the region.

The Arabs did not grasp how hard the tiny Jewish state would fight back against their five armies, did they.



Then what happened.

Well unlike any other refugee population, who were essentially told to move one and accept the new borders and sovereignties established in the wake of crumbling empires, the Arab refugees of the 1948 war, waged for the declared purpose of preventing a Jewish state, were indulged in hijacking an organization, UNRWA, to create an ever increasing group of people who claim to be “refugees” and who refuse to be settled until they achieve their goal of no Jewish state.

So today, UNRWA falsely counts over six million such “refugees,” while Palestinian leaders themselves speak of eight to nine million.

Their demand is that all of them - children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of the original refugees - possess an individual "right of return" to settle inside Israel.

“In demanding the return of the Palestinian refugees the Arabs mean their return as masters, not slaves, or to put it more clearly – the intention is the extermination of Israel.”
- Salah al-Din, Egyptian Foreign Minister - Al-Misri, Egypt, October 11, 1949).

“If the refugees return to Israel – Israel will cease to exist.”
- Gamal Abdel Nasser - Zuercher Woche, West Germany, September 1, 1961).

And that's the game. That's your eighty years of lies and bullshit, and why those Palestinians have been held hostage without rights or citizenship by the Arab states, that their leftist supporters play along with.

While pretending they only care about the suffering of the Palestinians.

Odious braindead arseholes.

The Nakba was an ethnic cleansing event of the Palestinian people by Jewish terrorist organizations. It was organised and orchestrated by Jewish leaders like David Ben Gurion, later first prime minister of Israel after 1948. Plan Dalet was officially sanctioned by them with the clear unabridged goal of using military force and terrorism to clear as many Palestinians as possible who lived nearby lands that were already settled by Jewish colonists pre-1948. The goal was simple. Grab as much land as was possible to strengthen their negotiating position once the Brits withdrew in May 1948. This policy of ethnic cleansing by these Jewish terrorist organisations, more than any other single factor, shaped the reaction of the nearby Arab countries.

Leaked minutes of meetings of the newly created Israeli government in July 1948 had the following remark as reported in the following Haaretz article:

[David Ben Gurion said] “I am against the wholesale demolition of villages.” Now, the full statement is revealed. It turns out that he then added: “But there are places that constituted a great danger and constitute a great danger, and we must wipe them out. But this must be done responsibly, with consideration before the act.”

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... bc1bf50000

The second part of the quote had always been previously blacked out in any release of state documents by Israeli censors. The censors made a hames of releasing this document on this occasion, allowing users to simply remove the blacked layer over the text, then allowing Ben Gurion's quote to be read unredacted. It clearly demonstrates that at the very highest levels, the government of the newly minted Israeli state was actively pursuing a policy of ethnic cleansing in some areas, though of course, Ben Gurion tried to do some doublespeak and say 'we'll wipe the Palestinians out humanely'.

The rest or your argument is gibberish and fabrication. Yes Israel did hold off the Arab armies, but they were far better armed and equipped than the Arab nations thanks to an arms deal with Czechoslovakia. The nascent UN and even the Yanks had placed an arms embargo on both the Jewish and Arab belligerents to try and prevent a bloodbath. The New Jewish state circumvented the embargo through an arms deal with Czechoslovakia. The Israelis also mobilised almost double the numbers of soldiers some 120,000 men, compared to around 60-65,000 men estimated for the combined Arab efforts.

It was not a case of David v Goliath, but Israeli David armed with arms smuggled in via Czechoslovakia such as 200 WW2 surplus Mg-42s and better quality tanks left by the Brits, vs Arab David who got some British WW2 surplus equipment, while Syria and Lebanon had some French surplus military equipment as the French abandoned their Middle East mandate in 1946. Essentially, the Israelis had a more central and united front and they ruthlessly pushed out the innocent Palestinians simultaneously as they fought off the less well equipped and less well manned disjointed armies of the Arab nations. This ended up with the Israelis getting control of some 60% extra territory beyond what had been originally earmarked for them under the 1948 UN partition plan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_ship ... _to_Israel

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000258361.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... _Palestine

You can put up those lunatic Arab leader quotes, but the Israeli leaders have made several just as brutal and brainless quotes regarding the fate of the Palestinians. I advocate for a Palestinian state as a stepping stone. Perhaps one day, if that happens, Zionism will have begun to accept a boundary to the Greater Israel project which is expansionist lunacy that will only incite the Arabs to an eventual confrontation with the Zionist government if they aren't stopped. That could well be a nuclear confrontation and no sane individual wants that unless they're a completely fanatical zealot who thinks it's better for all parties to die in a pointless nuclear armageddon scenario and as a zealot would say "let God sort them out."

Here's a little choice list of Israeli Prime Minister quotes for you:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population? Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’“

Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

“When we smash the [Arab] Legion’s strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo.”

May 1948, Ben-Gurion speaking to his General Staff, Times of Israel

“In Judea, Samaria and Gaza there will never be a Palestinian state”

Menachem Begin quote in New York Times, March 21, 1979.

All found here at:

https://www.palestiniangenocide.com/quo ... t_leaders/

Educate yourself dear R'OC, I won't stoop to calling you an odious unmentionable.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Perhaps antisemitism was that in the western Zeitgeist of the church era. And sure there still exists large elements of it in Muslim antisemitism.

But today, in the West, where religion little figures, especially in the minds of the left who actively denigrate religion, antisemitism lies in hatred of Israel as a proxy for hating Jews, and particularly as a device to circumvent taboos left behind by the Holocaust.

Anti-Zionism has become the new dressing for the old passion of antisemitism.

Because of course the aim of antisemitism is always to convince as many people of the era as possible that there are legitimate reasons to resume hating Jews.


According to people like you. Who are possessed by a vile ideology and dogma.

Whereas according to people in possession of their regular state of mind it is simply a word for Jews, by Jews, and it means that Jews are a Nation, and they have a right to self-determination.


Again, Zionism is basically Jewish nationalism.

Whereas your lies, distortions and inventions such as above arise from a Jewish anti-nationalism.

You would deny the Jewish community any semblance of nationhood, you dismiss their people as "just a religion", and of course your left ideology sees religion as nothing.


Yes, there are. A very small proportion that are amplified by modern media over the vast majority.

Usually radical left leaning, with a holier-than-thou self-righteous narcissism, who thereby fell for antizionist ideology and its inherent theology built on victimhood hierachies etc.

As with mainstream non-Jewish antizionism you find the usual cult mentality, desperation to be accepted by their progressive peers, and so on.


Well you just exhibit your own "logic".

First, Jews are a people, a nation, with community binds far beyond just religion. Never mind how so many Jews are agnostic, atheist, casual about their religion.

Second, antisemitism is a mass minded phenomenon. A mob phenomenon. No antisemite in history ever admitted they hated Jews because they were Jews. They hated them first for their religion, then for their race, and today they are hated for their nation state.

Remember antisemites were always able to think well of themselves because they had a logic underlying their antisemitism, that always included a systematic litany of accusations tailored to the prevailing spirit of their times - just as today the accusations of racism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, attempted genocide, crimes against humanity, and so on, are tailored to the current "age of human rights", the current Zeitgeist.


Your "logic" is the logic of today's antisemitism. In a word, anti-Zionism.

A logic built on lies and inversions and distortions. A logic built on one of the crudest, most dishonest and most racist campaigns of disinformation of modern times. A logic and a disinformation campaign belonging to an ideology that was a cynical and hideous manipulation.

The following article may be worth a read in this regard:

How Soviet Anti-Zionism Engineered Jewish Confusion and Western Self-Hate

"... Anti-zionism is perhaps the most sophisticated form of anti-Jewish bigotry precisely because it was designed to masquerade as political criticism. The Soviet propaganda machine meticulously engineered this movement, coding it in a way that invited endless focus on Israel and Israel’s actions. We know why the Soviets did this: by framing Israel as a “colonial apartheid project,” they effectively tainted Israel with the sins of the West for Western leftists...".

Referring to the participation of Jews in it:

"... By designing a hate movement to appear political, what the Soviets could not have foreseen, however, was how Jews themselves would be deceived into participating in the political debate...".

Jewish nationalism doesn't exist. There are adherents of the Jewish religion, and there are citizens of the Israeli state which includes many non-Jews, as much as 30%. There is only Israeli nationalism which happens to be strongest among the Jewish population of that country, that doesn't stop Arab members of the Israeli state, such as the Druze, joining the IDF as canon fodder and then later being discriminated against by the very Apartheid state they served. There are also many Jews outside Israel's borders who want nothing to do with Zionism or the Jewish extremist settlers. It's a complete contradiction to say all Jews are part of Zionism when clearly there are many Jews, both within and without Israel, who regard Zionism as a toxic extremist ideology that only damages genuine adherents to the Jewish faith.

I have plenty of time for Jewish individuals. Some of the greatest minds and most entertaining people have been Jewish. Einstein, Noam Chomsky, Sammie Davis Jr., Bob Dylan, Bernie Sanders, Norman Finkelstein etc. Jewish people are fine. Zionist genocidal maniacs like Smotrich, Netyenyahoo and Ben-Gvir are the problem. Their extremism has brought shame on the reputation of the people who have been often shamefully and abominably treated throughout history.

To be Anti-Semitic means a person is an ideologically poisoned individual who wrongly hates members of the Jewish religion. To be a Zionist, also seems to create ideologically poisoned individuals who despise members of the religion of Islam, particularly Palestinian Muslims. That is the problem and Anti-Zionism is both right and proper. If you can't treat others human beings as human beings when they just want a half decent chance to live free from persecution, then something has severely gone wrong in your psychological programming along your path through life.

[roc_enthusiast]

Oh, oh. Looks like some Arab Muslims are waking up and are not at all happy about being duped (unlike others who are only too happy).

For illustration, follow blogger Huda Jannat.

She writes about what she's learned about Gaza since the war began.

About the comfortable and prosperous life that Gazans and Hamas leaders have become accustomed to thanks to Israeli concessions.

And about Hamas's hypocrisy regarding the supposedly dire situation of Gazans before the war.

She writes:

1. Suddenly, we learned that the Gaza Strip, home to 2 million people, has 36 hospitals. There are Arab countries with 30 million populations that don't have that many hospitals.

2. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza receives water, electricity, gas, and fuel for free from Israel. Of course, there's not a single person in the Arab world who doesn't pay for water, electricity, and fuel.

3. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza receives $30 million a month from Qatar alone. And $120 million a month from UNRWA. And $50 million a month from the European Union. And $30 million a month from America. There are Arab countries drowning in debt, to whom no one gives even a million dollars.

4. Suddenly we learned that there is no "blockade" of Gaza—all goods are flowing in, the borders are open. Gazans traveled to Egypt, and from there all over the world.

5. Suddenly it turned out that Arabs live better in Gaza than in many Arab countries.

6. Suddenly we realized that our brains had been "programmed" by the lies of the Muslim Brotherhood media.

7. Suddenly we learned that the children in Gaza are not ordinary children, as we used to think, but child fighters with machine guns and suicide belts, trained by Hamas.

8. Suddenly, it turned out that schools, hospitals, and mosques in Gaza are organized terror headquarters and weapons depots with underground Hamas tunnels.

9. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza has a "metro"—a 500-kilometer-long Hamas underground network that Israel can only envy.

10. Suddenly, it turned out that Gaza's doctors and teachers are actually active Hamas militants.

11. Suddenly, we learned that rockets and mortars are stored in children's rooms in Gaza homes.

12. Suddenly, we learned that Hitler and his book "Mein Kampf" were very popular in Gaza, and an Arabic translation was in almost every home, along with a portrait of the author.

13. Suddenly, we learned that Gazans live in luxury—multi-story mansions with swimming pools and premium German cars.

14. Suddenly, we learned that there is no Israeli blockade of Gaza, since it borders its Muslim "sister" – Egypt.

15. Suddenly, it turned out that the majority of "civilians" in Gaza support Hamas and other terrorist groups, democratically voted for Hamas, and celebrated the October 7th massacre.

16. Suddenly, we learned that the so-called correspondents and journalists in Gaza working for Western media – CNN, AP, Reuters, and others – turned out to be Hamas militants who participated in the October 7th massacre.

17. Suddenly, it turned out that the so-called "peace activists" and "workers of international human rights organizations" – the UN, the Red Cross, and the WHO – turned out to be terrorists and corrupt members of Hamas.

18. Suddenly, we learned that countries like Ireland have been bought by Muslim Brotherhood linked entities, and are ready to lie in international forums to advance the strategy and tactics of Hamas and other terrorist groups.

19. Suddenly, we learned that every Hamas leader is a billionaire, richer than President Trump, with a net worth of $4-5 billion each.

[roc_enthusiast]

[ceannairceach]

Oh, oh. Looks like some Arab Muslims are waking up and are not at all happy about being duped (unlike others who are only too happy).

For illustration, follow blogger Huda Jannat.

She writes about what she's learned about Gaza since the war began.

About the comfortable and prosperous life that Gazans and Hamas leaders have become accustomed to thanks to Israeli concessions.

And about Hamas's hypocrisy regarding the supposedly dire situation of Gazans before the war.

She writes:

1. Suddenly, we learned that the Gaza Strip, home to 2 million people, has 36 hospitals. There are Arab countries with 30 million populations that don't have that many hospitals.

2. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza receives water, electricity, gas, and fuel for free from Israel. Of course, there's not a single person in the Arab world who doesn't pay for water, electricity, and fuel.

3. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza receives $30 million a month from Qatar alone. And $120 million a month from UNRWA. And $50 million a month from the European Union. And $30 million a month from America. There are Arab countries drowning in debt, to whom no one gives even a million dollars.

4. Suddenly we learned that there is no "blockade" of Gaza—all goods are flowing in, the borders are open. Gazans traveled to Egypt, and from there all over the world.

5. Suddenly it turned out that Arabs live better in Gaza than in many Arab countries.

6. Suddenly we realized that our brains had been "programmed" by the lies of the Muslim Brotherhood media.

7. Suddenly we learned that the children in Gaza are not ordinary children, as we used to think, but child fighters with machine guns and suicide belts, trained by Hamas.

8. Suddenly, it turned out that schools, hospitals, and mosques in Gaza are organized terror headquarters and weapons depots with underground Hamas tunnels.

9. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza has a "metro"—a 500-kilometer-long Hamas underground network that Israel can only envy.

10. Suddenly, it turned out that Gaza's doctors and teachers are actually active Hamas militants.

11. Suddenly, we learned that rockets and mortars are stored in children's rooms in Gaza homes.

12. Suddenly, we learned that Hitler and his book "Mein Kampf" were very popular in Gaza, and an Arabic translation was in almost every home, along with a portrait of the author.

13. Suddenly, we learned that Gazans live in luxury—multi-story mansions with swimming pools and premium German cars.

14. Suddenly, we learned that there is no Israeli blockade of Gaza, since it borders its Muslim "sister" – Egypt.

15. Suddenly, it turned out that the majority of "civilians" in Gaza support Hamas and other terrorist groups, democratically voted for Hamas, and celebrated the October 7th massacre.

16. Suddenly, we learned that the so-called correspondents and journalists in Gaza working for Western media – CNN, AP, Reuters, and others – turned out to be Hamas militants who participated in the October 7th massacre.

17. Suddenly, it turned out that the so-called "peace activists" and "workers of international human rights organizations" – the UN, the Red Cross, and the WHO – turned out to be terrorists and corrupt members of Hamas.

18. Suddenly, we learned that countries like Ireland have been bought by Muslim Brotherhood linked entities, and are ready to lie in international forums to advance the strategy and tactics of Hamas and other terrorist groups.

19. Suddenly, we learned that every Hamas leader is a billionaire, richer than President Trump, with a net worth of $4-5 billion each.

This is what the idiots protesting need to read if they roiled only open their blinkered eyes.

[knownunknown]

And about Hamas's hypocrisy regarding the supposedly dire situation of Gazans before the war.

Before the war the Gazans were protesting against Hamas and getting violently suppressed dating all the way back to the 2011 Arab spring that saw reform in many Arab countries, but not so for Gaza. I bet few remember the “we want to live protest” from 2019 and 2021 or the “ Alvirus Alsakher” of July 2023. While Hamas built 500km of terror tunnels and became billionaires from all the aid money the ordinary Gazan was left to starve.

They also protested many times during the war, at risk of being murdered by the iron fist that rules them. Who were the people that Hamas violently, publicly executed as soon as the ceasefire came into effect? Anyone who goes against them.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/3/1 ... n-protests

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Oh, oh. Looks like some Arab Muslims are waking up and are not at all happy about being duped (unlike others who are only too happy).

For illustration, follow blogger Huda Jannat.

She writes about what she's learned about Gaza since the war began.

About the comfortable and prosperous life that Gazans and Hamas leaders have become accustomed to thanks to Israeli concessions.

And about Hamas's hypocrisy regarding the supposedly dire situation of Gazans before the war.

She writes:

1. Suddenly, we learned that the Gaza Strip, home to 2 million people, has 36 hospitals. There are Arab countries with 30 million populations that don't have that many hospitals.

2. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza receives water, electricity, gas, and fuel for free from Israel. Of course, there's not a single person in the Arab world who doesn't pay for water, electricity, and fuel.

3. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza receives $30 million a month from Qatar alone. And $120 million a month from UNRWA. And $50 million a month from the European Union. And $30 million a month from America. There are Arab countries drowning in debt, to whom no one gives even a million dollars.

4. Suddenly we learned that there is no "blockade" of Gaza—all goods are flowing in, the borders are open. Gazans traveled to Egypt, and from there all over the world.

5. Suddenly it turned out that Arabs live better in Gaza than in many Arab countries.

6. Suddenly we realized that our brains had been "programmed" by the lies of the Muslim Brotherhood media.

7. Suddenly we learned that the children in Gaza are not ordinary children, as we used to think, but child fighters with machine guns and suicide belts, trained by Hamas.

8. Suddenly, it turned out that schools, hospitals, and mosques in Gaza are organized terror headquarters and weapons depots with underground Hamas tunnels.

9. Suddenly, we learned that Gaza has a "metro"—a 500-kilometer-long Hamas underground network that Israel can only envy.

10. Suddenly, it turned out that Gaza's doctors and teachers are actually active Hamas militants.

11. Suddenly, we learned that rockets and mortars are stored in children's rooms in Gaza homes.

12. Suddenly, we learned that Hitler and his book "Mein Kampf" were very popular in Gaza, and an Arabic translation was in almost every home, along with a portrait of the author.

13. Suddenly, we learned that Gazans live in luxury—multi-story mansions with swimming pools and premium German cars.

14. Suddenly, we learned that there is no Israeli blockade of Gaza, since it borders its Muslim "sister" – Egypt.

15. Suddenly, it turned out that the majority of "civilians" in Gaza support Hamas and other terrorist groups, democratically voted for Hamas, and celebrated the October 7th massacre.

16. Suddenly, we learned that the so-called correspondents and journalists in Gaza working for Western media – CNN, AP, Reuters, and others – turned out to be Hamas militants who participated in the October 7th massacre.

17. Suddenly, it turned out that the so-called "peace activists" and "workers of international human rights organizations" – the UN, the Red Cross, and the WHO – turned out to be terrorists and corrupt members of Hamas.

18. Suddenly, we learned that countries like Ireland have been bought by Muslim Brotherhood linked entities, and are ready to lie in international forums to advance the strategy and tactics of Hamas and other terrorist groups.

19. Suddenly, we learned that every Hamas leader is a billionaire, richer than President Trump, with a net worth of $4-5 billion each.

Good jaysus get your hasbara slop hot and fresh from the presses. It's as good as the time you pulled out that lady Rawan Osman, the Arab Zionist, on politics.ie. a diabolically biased dirge, trying to paint Zionism in a positive light to the rest of the world, that no person with half a braincell would even believe. She's the Swiss army knife of Zionist hasbara propagandists. She ticks all the boxes, being a half Lebanese, half Syrian born in the middle of Hezbollah central, but somehow found herself on the road to Damascus and had a revelation. Zionism is the way forward for peace in the Middle East. Mossad and the Israeli intelligence boys have her well trained up now anyway. They're wheeling her out like there's no tomorrow these days on every right wing Yankee outlet they can or even sending her to the UN to try and deflect from the reality that Zionism just butchered at least a 100,000 Palestinians in Gaza for the past 2 years, and probably far far more than that.







I wouldn't recommend watching any of this slop, but it gives you a nice flavour of the levels of psyops being perpetrated by the likes of Mossad on the Western and Arab worlds. That long list you posted, if it looks like hasbara slop, smells like hasbara slop, tastes like hasbara slop, yeah that's probably another little bought and paid for agent of the Israeli psychological operations war machine you've copied and pasted from right there R'OC. Just like how Netyenyahoo and the lads are buying off social media influencers with $7, 000 payments for every pro-Zionist hasbara slop piece they post.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/isra ... ion-report

https://youtube.com/shorts/_034ksJscMw? ... dzXGee-jBE

[knownunknown]

KuK, your repeated deflections from the historian-backed statistical consensus on the Nakba ethnic cleansing (Wiki Nakba historiography provided by AFR) ... betray an unwillingness to confront the historical record.

Footnote 19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

We agree on point 19. See post below. I thought twenty was the issue, personally. Can you explain why they ethnically cleansed so many Arabs but left 150,000 there? Your arguments are logically inconsistent. Expelled and made to flee are exactly the same thing. The sentence below should read “were expelled from their homes or fled …”. Made to flee doesn’t make sense at all in this context. 750,000 were not threatened at gun point to leave. A good chunk of them yes, but because they declared war on the newly found Israel state and refused to live side by side in peace. The 150,000 that did remain now enjoy the most free part of the Middle East.

750,000 people were not expelled, 750,000 became refugees. A fair portion were expelled, maybe 50%, about 40% fled due to fear and 10% were ordered to leave by the Arab armies that were marching on Israel at the time to destroy it, 5 of them. The Arab generals promised they could return when the Israelis became fish food.

150,000 Arabs remained in Israel, were not expelled and did not flee. They now represent some 2million people living there with the greatest freedoms in the Middle East, not an apartheid as some claim.

850,000 Jews were expelled or fled their homes from Arab countries post 1948 with the majority resettling in Israel. Do you know how many Jewish people remain in these countries?

1948 was a long time ago and there have been several attempts to reimburse many of the refugees since but they don’t want to give their “right of return” in exchange for alternate compensation, something the UN has said was acceptable.

Here’s what the Red Cross said at the time and the ink below it.



https://www.icrc.org/sites/default/file ... israel.pdf

Also here is a list of reports from the UN. I’ve asked the chatbot to Summarize them but you can see for yourself here.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document-sou ... sion-unpc/



And lastly here is what the Wikipedia article says vs the actually scholarly debate that exists on the matter.

[StarryPlough01]

The executions of 6 year old Hind Rajab and six of her family members; AND two Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) paramedics given permission by Israeli military to go rescue Hind in an active combat zone

The executed two PRCS paramedics were in an ambulance about 50 metres away from the car Hind Rajab was trapped in (next to those dead bodies of her family members)




‘Hind Rajab, five, is seen in happy times in a family photo shared on social media across the globe after her tragic killing (X)’


‘Dozens of Israeli soldiers identified in ICC complaint on killing of Hind Rajab’

‘The Hind Rajab Foundation has been tracking down the alleged killers of the Palestinian girl and her family’

By MEE staff 21 October 2025
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/doze ... hind-rajab

“The Hind Rajab Foundation (HRF)  announced on Tuesday that it has identified another two dozen Israeli soldiers whom it is referring to the International Criminal Court (ICC) for their role in Hind Rajab's death.
....
"Among those identified are three top commanders that the foundation is naming publicly: Colonel Beni Aharon, the commander of the 401st Armoured Brigade, who is already the subject of an ICC criminal complaint; Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Ella, commander of the 52nd Armoured Battalion; and Major Sean Glass, commander of the Vampire Empire Company. 

"Ella and Glass are believed to be directly responsible for the killings in the field.

"Twenty-two other soldiers operating in the Vampire Empire Company will be named "progressively, as national-level complaints are filed in different jurisdictions", the HRF said in a statement. 

On the heels of an hour-long documentary that aired on Al Jazeera Arabic's Ma Khafiya Aatham (What Is Hidden Is Greater) in partnership with the foundation, HRF said it has submitted a 120-page Article 15 filing, referring these soldiers to the ICC.

DOCUMENTARY - WITH ENGLISH CAPTIONS



Al Jazeera

Starry: I think back to myself as a 5 year old girl. I don’t know that I could have been so brave as Hind Rajab. For Hind to know that there was no one beside her to protect and comfort her - she was alone in the car surrounded by her dead family members.

There were 335 bullet holes on the small Kia Picanto city car that Hind Rajab and her family members were travelling in.

Forensic Architecture
The Killing of Hind Rajab
https://forensic-architecture.org/inves ... hind-rajab

“Working closely with journalists from Al Jazeera’s Fault Lines, Forensic Architecture collaborated with Earshot to examine the circumstances surrounding the killing of Hind Rajab, her four cousins, her aunt and uncle, and the two paramedics who came to her rescue.

"On 29 January 2024, in Gaza City, Hind Rajab, a six-year-old Palestinian child, pleaded over the phone for emergency workers to rescue her from a car riddled with bullets. Her body was found two weeks later, on 10 February, alongside the bodies of six of her family members in the car they drove to flee their neighbourhood as Israeli forces invaded. The bodies of two Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) paramedics, missing since the evening of the call when they were dispatched to rescue Hind, were discovered in their ambulance about 50 metres away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab

[StarryPlough01]

Starry: Perhaps, they will all say in hindsight "lessons learned" .... When with foresight, everybody knew this plan was a disastrous one.

Major Red Flag: “There are four names mentioned in the document as potential candidates for this board. None of them are Palestinian.”

NB: ^^^ We don’t know have confirmation that the four named people in the Draft Plan were approached.


‘Billionaires, Zionists and a UN official: Tony Blair's proposed team for Gaza’

‘Aryeh Lightstone, Naguib Sawiris, Marc Rowan and Sigrid Kaag were named in the leaked Blair plan for Gaza’

By Oscar Rickett 3 October 2025
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/bill ... -team-gaza

Earlier this week, a draft plan of what Gaza's governance would look like under former British prime minister Tony Blair was leaked. 

LEAKED DRAFT PLAN
https://img.haarets.co.il/bs/00000199-9 ... r-plan.pdf
...,.

The plan for the Gaza International Transitonal Authority (Gita) reveals a hierarchy in which an international board of billionaires and businesspeople sit at the top, while highly vetted “neutral” Palestinian administrators are at the bottom. 
....

Middle East Eye takes a closer look at Blair's would-be band for Gaza. 

Aryeh Lightstone
"A businessman and rabbi, Lightstone has been heavily involved in the creation and advancement of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), the US- and Israeli-backed aid distribution mechanism at whose sites in Gaza more than 2,000 people have been killed and thousands more wounded. 

"Described by Doctors Without Borders (MSF) as a “system of institutionalised starvation and dehumanisation” and as “orchestrated killing”, the GHF took over from the UN as Gaza’s main distributor of aid earlier this year.

"A senior adviser to David Friedman when the staunch defender of Israel’s settler movement was the US ambassador to Israel during President Donald Trump’s first term in office, Lightstone is now a close confidant and aide of Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff.

[StarryPlough01]

The Nakba was an ethnic cleansing event of the Palestinian people by Jewish terrorist organizations. It was organised and orchestrated by Jewish leaders like David Ben Gurion, later first prime minister of Israel after 1948. Plan Dalet was officially sanctioned by them with the clear unabridged goal of using military force and terrorism to clear as many Palestinians as possible who lived nearby lands that were already settled by Jewish colonists pre-1948. The goal was simple. Grab as much land as was possible to strengthen their negotiating position once the Brits withdrew in May 1948. This policy of ethnic cleansing by these Jewish terrorist organisations, more than any other single factor, shaped the reaction of the nearby Arab countries.

Leaked minutes of meetings of the newly created Israeli government in July 1948 had the following remark as reported in the following Haaretz article:

[David Ben Gurion said] “I am against the wholesale demolition of villages.” Now, the full statement is revealed. It turns out that he then added: “But there are places that constituted a great danger and constitute a great danger, and we must wipe them out. But this must be done responsibly, with consideration before the act.”

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... bc1bf50000

The second part of the quote had always been previously blacked out in any release of state documents by Israeli censors. The censors made a hames of releasing this document on this occasion, allowing users to simply remove the blacked layer over the text, then allowing Ben Gurion's quote to be read unredacted. It clearly demonstrates that at the very highest levels, the government of the newly minted Israeli state was actively pursuing a policy of ethnic cleansing in some areas, though of course, Ben Gurion tried to do some doublespeak and say 'we'll wipe the Palestinians out humanely'.

The rest or your argument is gibberish and fabrication. Yes Israel did hold off the Arab armies, but they were far better armed and equipped than the Arab nations thanks to an arms deal with Czechoslovakia. The nascent UN and even the Yanks had placed an arms embargo on both the Jewish and Arab belligerents to try and prevent a bloodbath. The New Jewish state circumvented the embargo through an arms deal with Czechoslovakia. The Israelis also mobilised almost double the numbers of soldiers some 120,000 men, compared to around 60-65,000 men estimated for the combined Arab efforts.

It was not a case of David v Goliath, but Israeli David armed with arms smuggled in via Czechoslovakia such as 200 WW2 surplus Mg-42s and better quality tanks left by the Brits, vs Arab David who got some British WW2 surplus equipment, while Syria and Lebanon had some French surplus military equipment as the French abandoned their Middle East mandate in 1946. Essentially, the Israelis had a more central and united front and they ruthlessly pushed out the innocent Palestinians simultaneously as they fought off the less well equipped and less well manned disjointed armies of the Arab nations. This ended up with the Israelis getting control of some 60% extra territory beyond what had been originally earmarked for them under the 1948 UN partition plan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_ship ... _to_Israel

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000258361.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... _Palestine

You can put up those lunatic Arab leader quotes, but the Israeli leaders have made several just as brutal and brainless quotes regarding the fate of the Palestinians. I advocate for a Palestinian state as a stepping stone. Perhaps one day, if that happens, Zionism will have begun to accept a boundary to the Greater Israel project which is expansionist lunacy that will only incite the Arabs to an eventual confrontation with the Zionist government if they aren't stopped. That could well be a nuclear confrontation and no sane individual wants that unless they're a completely fanatical zealot who thinks it's better for all parties to die in a pointless nuclear armageddon scenario and as a zealot would say "let God sort them out."

Here's a little choice list of Israeli Prime Minister quotes for you:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population? Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’“

Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

“When we smash the [Arab] Legion’s strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo.”

May 1948, Ben-Gurion speaking to his General Staff, Times of Israel

“In Judea, Samaria and Gaza there will never be a Palestinian state”

Menachem Begin quote in New York Times, March 21, 1979.

All found here at:

https://www.palestiniangenocide.com/quo ... t_leaders/

Educate yourself dear R'OC, I won't stoop to calling you an odious unmentionable.

Well Done ANF. I always say: never let historical revisionists control the narrative.* Masssive egos will still desperately try to claw back... but, imv, best ignored.

I really do think you are an asset to this site.

* (To serve their ideological, political ... agendas)

[StarryPlough01]

Starry: Palestinian actor Motaz Malhees says this role made him realise he hasn't dealt with his own childhood trauma ... I will mention one thing only as a warning to viewers. As an eleven or twelve year old, Motaz was standing next to another child he knew, around the same age as him, when that boy was executed with a bullet to his head. I'm going to replay this video later, without any distractions.

Actor Motaz Malhees is being interviewed by Mohamed Hashem here:




‘I believed I could save her’: Inside the making of The voice of Hind Rajab | Real Talk
Middle East Eye

"I hear her voice in my dreams.

"Israel’s killing of five-year-old Hind Rajab in 2024 sent shockwaves around the world, sparking global outrage and condemnation.

"Hind was fleeing Gaza City with her relatives when their car was targeted by Israeli forces. She survived the initial attack and, trapped among her family’s bodies, pleaded for help in desperate phone calls with Palestine Red Crescent responders.

"Hind was killed before rescuers could reach her. Her body, and those of her relatives, were recovered twelve days later.

A new film, The Voice of Hind Rajab, directed by acclaimed Tunisian filmmaker Kaouther Ben Hania and executive produced by Brad Pitt and Joaquin Phoenix, brings Hind’s final moments to the screen.

"One of the film’s main stars is Motaz Malhees, widely regarded as one of the most talented Palestinian actors of his generation.

"In this emotional conversation on Real Talk, Motaz opens up to Mohamed Hashem about the toll of portraying this story, the moments he broke down on set, and why he says, “I really believed I could save her.”

The film has already won multiple awards, sparked Oscar buzz, and received a 23-minute standing ovation at the Venice Film Festival.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Jasper Nathaniel, an independent journalist operating in the West Bank, discusses the intensifying campaign of Zionist settler violence against the Palestinian population there. In particular, he highlights Bezalel Smotrich's role as the effective Israeli governor in control of the West Bank who has completely stripped away what little accountability remained under the Israeli occupation government to stop and punish settler violence or prevent settlement expansion onto Palestinian land.

https://aje.io/ous27e?update=4051980

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Oh good. The Zionist government are moving ahead with plans to bring a bill into law that will allow for the eventual complete annexation of the West Bank. What could possibly go wrong there?

Smotrich and Ben Gvir must be dancing with joy at the prospects of stirring up another war of annihilation against what they likely regard as the Palestinian untermensch. You'd think the rivers of blood and utterly senseless destruction they've caused in Gaza would deter them from trying so soon in the West Bank. But, like Hitler and the Nazis in Germany, the Zionists just love starting wars, creating carnage and destroying lives on all fronts, everywhere, all at once.

Why should we be surprised though? The ink was barely dry on the Lebanon ceasefire when they were fuelling up the bombers for more strikes on South Lebanon. The Israeli public would want to pull the finger and oust these nut cases before the Zionist death cult leading them takes the whole lot down with them in one final big 'blaze' of Zionist glory.

Meanwhile within the Knesset itself, there's the minor issue of a constitutional crisis beginning to brew again over the setting up of a commission of inquiry into the total security failures on October 7th, over the form it should take, the scope of it's powers and what issues it should be allowed to examine.

The Israeli judiciary gave Netyenyahoo and the lads all the extra rope that they could to avoid starting an inquiry until the war 'emergency' situation ended. Now the war has ceased for the time being, it's time to pay the piper. The opposition parties are calling for every aspect to be examined. The government parties only want to examine fluff issues that avoid the difficult questions and accountability which would likely see Likud and the Zionist hardliners get hammered even more at the Israeli general election expected sometime between June and November next year.

Personally, I think the whole Israeli government should be facing their Judgment at the Hague moment, so I'd rather see them ousted as soon as possible. The longer you leave a bunch of psychopaths like this cornered, the more likely they'll try hatching another egregious ploy to try and avoid accountability by starting up another war with this West Bank plan or some other insane pretext. The Israeli public would want to sharpen up and get these Zionist nutcases out of office as quickly as possible before they're dragged into another pointless unwinnable war that just leaves thousands more Palestinians/Lebanese/Syrians/Iranians etc. dead and hundreds more IDF grunts unnecessarily killed.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/st ... ns/3722141

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1qfd4raee

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/ ... -west-bank

[ceannairceach]

Oh good. The Zionist government are moving ahead with plans to bring a bill into law that will allow for the eventual complete annexation of the West Bank. What could possibly go wrong there?

Smotrich and Ben Gvir must be dancing with joy at the prospects of stirring up another war of annihilation against what they likely regard as the Palestinian untermensch. You'd think the rivers of blood and utterly senseless destruction they've caused in Gaza would deter them from trying so soon in the West Bank. But, like Hitler and the Nazis in Germany, the Zionists just love starting wars, creating carnage and destroying lives on all fronts, everywhere, all at once.

Why should we be surprised though? The ink was barely dry on the Lebanon ceasefire when they were fuelling up the bombers for more strikes on South Lebanon. The Israeli public would want to pull the finger and oust these nut cases before the Zionist death cult leading them takes the whole lot down with them in one final big 'blaze' of Zionist glory.

Meanwhile within the Knesset itself, there's the minor issue of a constitutional crisis beginning to brew again over the setting up of a commission of inquiry into the total security failures on October 7th, over the form it should take, the scope of it's powers and what issues it should be allowed to examine.

The Israeli judiciary gave Netyenyahoo and the lads all the extra rope that they could to avoid starting an inquiry until the war 'emergency' situation ended. Now the war has ceased for the time being, it's time to pay the piper. The opposition parties are calling for every aspect to be examined. The government parties only want to examine fluff issues that avoid the difficult questions and accountability which would likely see Likud and the Zionist hardliners get hammered even more at the Israeli general election expected sometime between June and November next year.

Personally, I think the whole Israeli government should be facing their Judgment at the Hague moment, so I'd rather see them ousted as soon as possible. The longer you leave a bunch of psychopaths like this cornered, the more likely they'll try hatching another egregious ploy to try and avoid accountability by starting up another war with this West Bank plan or some other insane pretext. The Israeli public would want to sharpen up and get these Zionist nutcases out of office as quickly as possible before they're dragged into another pointless unwinnable war that just leaves thousands more Palestinians/Lebanese/Syrians/Iranians etc. dead and hundreds more IDF grunts unnecessarily killed.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/st ... ns/3722141

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1qfd4raee

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/ ... -west-bank

Complete and utter bullshit and the truly tragic thing is, you actually know that.

I knew you morons would find a way to blame the 7/10 atrocities on Israel rather than you beloved Hamas ffs.

[Guburnor]

Complete and utter bullshit and the truly tragic thing is, you actually know that.

I knew you morons would find a way to blame the 7/10 atrocities on Israel rather than you beloved Hamas ffs.

MOD: Threadbanned.

Apologies, but we've been through this before.

[ceannairceach]

MOD: Threadbanned.

Apologies, but we've been through this before.

Apologies also but you are genuinely showing so much bias now … you are defending people who are blaming the victims of a horrific attack - I have no problem referring to such people - who saw fcking GoPro footage released by monsters who parachuted into a peaceful music festival and murdered and gang raped thousands as morons…

I will not post here as instructed but that had to be said.

[Guburnor]

MOD: ceannairceach has said what she felt she had to say, can other posters also please leave it at that and not get into the nitty gritty arguing about GoPro footage of murder and gang rape etc. If anybody wants to discuss the alleged bias please do so on the modding forum, thanks.