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Israel and Palestine
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ceannairceach
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The UNWRA should be nowhere near this fragile peace given they were part of the abominable activities of 7 October 2023.
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AnFearRéabhlóideach
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This is patently untrue. So why repeat the lie? UNRWA dismissed 9 staff members on the back of lies and misinformation that was purposefully spread by the Israeli government and their agencies. That was 9 of 30,000 staff.ceannairceach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 11, 2025 2:29 pm The UNWRA should be nowhere near this fragile peace given they were part of the abominable activities of 7 October 2023.
This is the kind of brainless blanket assertion that's being made above. 9 people in Navan town are accused of being criminals who robbed a bank. Therefore, all the 30,000+ residents of Navan town are bank robbers. Also, the Gardaí got all the information about those 9 people from the actual people who robbed the bank.
In my view, getting rid of UNRWA was all a ploy by the Israeli government and intelligence services to get as many potential witnesses to the genocide as possible off the ground in Gaza. Also UNRWA's replacement, GHF, was then brought in to turn the screws through the restriction of access to aid causing severe hardships on the innocent Palestinian population. I strongly suspect GHF was deliberately used by the Israel government as a tool of genocide and persecution of that Palestinian population. GHF was used as a means to try and force them to abandon the Gaza Strip through demoralising the population through starvation, bombing and terrorist shootings of innocent civilians accessing the limited food depots. It also corralled the population and forced them into pockets by limiting the number of depots delivering aid to only a handful of areas. The term shooting fish in a barrell springs to mind when describing this particularly sick war crime.
Getting UNRWA back in control of aid delivery is one of Hamas's red lines for sticking to the ceasefire. To paraphrase the old adage, starve me out once, shame on you. Starve me out twice, shame on me. It's all there and waiting to go. Just need the go ahead from the Zionist psychopaths running Israel who have been using food and water as a means of collective punishment and genocide for years now.
https://www.unocha.org/news/un-relief-c ... -ceasefire
Senator Donie Cassidy, Seanad Debate, 10th April 2008
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
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knownunknown
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This is the guy who called Kim Jong Un little rocket man while the whole world called Trump crazy. Then we walked into North Korea on his own.AnFearRéabhlóideach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 11, 2025 1:53 pm They have no option but to trust Trump, which I can't believe I'm saying either, but nobody else has the actual power
He was shot in the ear during an assassination and stood up and shouted fight.
The liberal establishment tried to ruin the man, from banning him from social media, using lawfare to prosecute and imprison him.
He wrote the book “ The art of the Deal” and puts great emphasis on his skills as a deal maker. He takes pride in being seen as a good deal maker.
He was arrested in mar a lago in the middle of the night and instead of fading off into the darkness came back to be president again and win the popular vote.
The only time I’ve seen him publicly use a swear word in public and show such anger was that interview outside a helicopter when it looked like Iran and Israel wouldn’t stop attacking each other. “They’ve been fighting for so long they don’t even know what the feck they’re doing anymore”. He is quick to call out Israel if they aren’t the ones living up to the terms. He’s already done it.

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knownunknown
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Yes but even more worrisome is that from a small sample of schools they found 82 teachers found to be creating this hate filled curriculum while 133 educators and assistants were posting hate filled rhetoric on social media. This has been happening for generations.ceannairceach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 11, 2025 2:29 pm The UNWRA should be nowhere near this fragile peace given they were part of the abominable activities of 7 October 2023.
This is coming from impact-se who are
an international research organization that analyzes school textbooks and curricula to assess how they address issues of peace, tolerance, and human rights. Founded in 1998, the organization uses standards derived from UNESCO to evaluate educational materials and advocate for change to prevent radicalization and promote acceptance of others. They analyze curricula from around the world, including the Middle East, North Africa, and other regions
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ceannairceach
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The UN department in charge of eliminating violence against women and girls has a great number of senior people who slavishly believe in gender ideology - so their task is to defend women and yet prioritise the feelings of deluded men.knownunknown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 11, 2025 3:31 pm Yes but even more worrisome is that from a small sample of schools they found 82 teachers found to be creating this hate filled curriculum while 133 educators and assistants were posting hate filled rhetoric on social media. This has been happening for generations.
This is coming from impact-se who are
an international research organization that analyzes school textbooks and curricula to assess how they address issues of peace, tolerance, and human rights. Founded in 1998, the organization uses standards derived from UNESCO to evaluate educational materials and advocate for change to prevent radicalization and promote acceptance of others. They analyze curricula from around the world, including the Middle East, North Africa, and other regions
The UN largely causes more problems than they solve. I trust the USA more to protect the citizens post-peace deal.
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I listened to a podcast episode today which touched upon the difficulty in getting sex offenders extradited for cases committed on foreign soil. I looked it up afterwards and it seems to be a known issue, although confined to extremist splinter groups as is always the case. Since this seems to be a topic close to your heart I thought you might find it interesting and want to look into it, too. Just seemed to fit the current discussion.ceannairceach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 11, 2025 6:39 pm The UN department in charge of eliminating violence against women and girls has a great number of senior people who slavishly believe in gender ideology - so their task is to defend women and yet prioritise the feelings of deluded men.
The UN largely causes more problems than they solve. I trust the USA more to protect the citizens post-peace deal.
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knownunknown
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Israel have completed their part of the first phase by withdrawing, stopping the war and allowing in humanitarian aid.
Hamas have until Tuesday to complete their promise of releasing the hostages.
Meanwhile Hamas have deployed 7,000 Hamas fighters into this area recently evacuated by the Israelis. The Palestinian group also appointed five new governors all with military backgrounds, some of whom previously commanded brigades in its armed wing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8482418plo
Hamas have until Tuesday to complete their promise of releasing the hostages.
Meanwhile Hamas have deployed 7,000 Hamas fighters into this area recently evacuated by the Israelis. The Palestinian group also appointed five new governors all with military backgrounds, some of whom previously commanded brigades in its armed wing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8482418plo
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knownunknown
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She’s a big supporter of Israel too. Wants to move the embassy to Jerusalem. This wasn’t part of the script..StarryPlough01 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:05 pm
*The winner of this year's Nobel Peace Prize is Venezuelan democracy campaigner Maria Corina Machado
*She's recognised "for her tireless work promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela" and "her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy”. ....
*Machado is "one of the most extraordinary examples of civilian courage in Latin America in recent times," the Nobel Committee's chairman says
Nobel Committee’s chairman said:
"Democracy is a pre-condition for lasting peace, however we live in a world where democracy is in retreat," he adds, saying that "more and more authoritarian regimes are challenging norms" and turning to violence.
The chairman goes on to criticise Venezuelan leadership, adding that we see the same trends elsewhere in the world - "rule of law abused by those in control, free media silenced, critics imprisoned and societies pushed towards authoritarian rule and militarisation"
Starry: ^ Echoes of the National Zionism government...
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/life/nobel-pea ... el/3714406
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StarryPlough01
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AnFearRéabhlóideach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 11, 2025 1:53 pm I agree in any normal conflict with all you say. Bring the UN in, keep the sides apart and try to deliver a proper, fair, long-term peace solution. That's what should have happened decades ago. The reality is the occupation of Palestinian territory has continued since 1967 and with the hardliners in Israel in the war criminal genocidal government will likely still be there for the short to medium term. I don't expect that any of this will change one iota in the short term.
The problem is America and their unwavering commitment to Israeli's foreign and domestic policy goals for decades now. Unfortunately, with their absolute UN security council veto and their unassailable military power, the reality is America holds way too many of the cards preventing any reasonable solutions like you suggest and Israel know that. If anything Israel has been emboldened by the complete failure of the rest of the international community, like Europe and the Arab states to intercede and stop this insanity. So unfortunately the awful reality is this crappy 'peace' framework for talks and the current ceasefire, which I fully expect could all collapse like a house of cards very soon on the flimsiest of pretenses, is the only thing standing between the Zionists fanatics and another cut at genocide and more ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in Gaza. The UN, the EU and the current international legal framework has completely failed to stop this craziness because the truth is they refuse to stand up for the Palestinians which is completely wrong in my opinion, but that's the reality.
Speaking from a Hamas standpoint, I think Hamas is in an impossible spot. I understand that resistance could continue, but the cost to the civilian population has been too much. It's an impossible situation to be in. They're damned if they do try to give back the Israeli hostages and then Israel reneges on everything and starts up the genocide and ethnic cleansing again in less than a few weeks. Hamas is also damned if they don't do anything because look at what Gaza has become. The suffering of those Palestinian people is a stain on humanity's conscience and beyond kind words, protests and moral support nothing has been done to stop this brutal slaughter.
So really, this is the last roll or the dice. It either a tiny hope of some kind of humanitarian aid, and some modicum of decent treatment for the civilians or more genocide and ethnic cleansing. I think they've chosen the only possible path that may at least temporarily reduce the suffering. They have no option but to trust Trump, which I can't believe I'm saying either, but nobody else has the actual power to influence Israel's war criminal leadership and even then the complete Zionist fanatics like Smotrich and Ben Gvir could very easily derail this whole process. It's about buying time for the civilians in Gaza. The UN and all the rest unfortunately can do nothing without the help of a charlatan and a liar like Trump. That's the sad reality of where we're at. People should keep protesting and aiding the Palestinians and in the long-term it should make a difference, but short-term a deal with the devil may be the only way to prevent more needless suffering.
ANF, Francesca Albanese, the Special Rapporteur for the Palestinian territories said:
"In fact, we shall start thinking of 680,000 because this is the number that some scholars and scientists claim being the real death toll in Gaza." [/i] (over 75 percent are women and children)
“As of 3 October 2025, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health, 67,075 people have been killed and 169,430 people have been injured ....”
“In the West Bank, 1,048 people have been killed and 10,320 people injured from 7 October 2023 to 3 October 2025 by direct violence.4 Altogether, the number of residents of Gaza and the West Bank killed and injured in this period is 68,123 people directly killed and 179,750 people injured.”
https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/sit ... r-2025.pdf
‘Possibly 680,000 Dead in Gaza - Francesca Albanese - Many scholars disputing official totals’
Sep 17, 2025 #unhrc #unitednations #FrancescaAlbanese
Excerpt
“It's a painful honour to be here at such a critical moment for Gaza and for the Palestinians as a whole. 710. This is the number of days of absolute horror that the people in Gaza have endured. 65,000 is the number of Palestinians as certain killed, including over which 75% are women and children. In fact, we shall start thinking of 680,000 because this is the number that some scholars and scientists claim being the real death toll in Gaza. And it would be hard to to be able to prove or disprove this number, especially if investigators and others remained banned from entering the occupied Palestinian territory, and particularly the Gaza Strip. But if this number is confirmed, 380,000 of these are infants under five. 1,581, this is the number of health workers killed in Gaza. 252 is the number of the journalists, your colleagues, killed in Gaza. And 346 is the number of UN staff killed in Gaza. 10,000 Palestinians have been detained mostly arbitrarily by an unlawful occupation which has been starving, torturing and even raping inmates, including doctors and patients. 75 is the numbers of detainees who have been reported killed in Israeli custody just in the last 710 days."
I continue in my below post...
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StarryPlough01
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Starry: I continue here...
I wrote elsewhere ‘The end justifies the means’ with an overt acceptance that murder, torture, theft, forced displacement and genocide comprise the means, must by definition, be a criminal ideology.
Zeev Vladimir Jabotinsky (17 October 1880 – 3 August 1940)
I also stated that Far Right Zionist Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich must have been brought up on Zeev Jabotinsky’s National Zionist ideology. The Minister made similar comments to Jabotinsky, where Smotrich described the population of Gaza as Nazis: "We need to create a proper Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, because if we are not there, there will be 2 million Nazis who want to eliminate us...."
Zionist Smotrich also said half of Gazans can be encouraged to leave within two years. Smotrich euphemistically calls it: “Voluntary Emigration": “We can occupy Gaza and thin the population by half within two years,” through a strategy of encouraging “voluntary emigration.”
To understand the background of Zionism, one must read up on below:
This is what Zeev Jabotinsky had to say in 1925:
Palestine Remembered
‘Ze'ev (Zeev) Jabotinsky-A Brief Biography & Quotes’
https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acr ... ry640.html
Jabotinsky’s concept of a Jewish majority in Palestine:
1934
"The concept of a Jewish majority in Palestine was an essential pillar for Zionism to be realized. This point was repeated over and over by all Zionists, not just Jabotinsky. For example, Ze'ev Jabotinsky introduced the Betar's Oath as follows in 1934:
"I devote my life to the rebirth of the Jewish State, with a Jewish majority, on both sides of the Jordan." (Israel: A History, Martin Gilbert, p. 76)
Similarly, Jabotinsky said:
https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acr ... 320.html
Jabotinsky founded the Betar Youth Movement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betar
Forced Displacement of Palestinians:
1939
"Like all Zionists, Jabotinsky advocated not just a Jewish majority in Palestine but also the use of force to "transfer" them out of their homes, farms, and businesses. Ze'ev Jabotinsky stated in a letter to one of his Revisionist colleagues in the United States dated November 1939:
"There is no choice: the Arabs must make room for the Jews of Eretz Israel. If it was possible to transfer the Baltic peoples, it is also possible to move the Palestinian Arabs." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, By Nur Masalha, p. 29)
https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acr ... ry640.html

^^^ Of interest, the Zionist paramilitary organisation that operated in Mandatory Palestine between 1931 and 1948 IRGUN were a terrorist organisation - afaik, they don’t exist anymore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
I wrote elsewhere ‘The end justifies the means’ with an overt acceptance that murder, torture, theft, forced displacement and genocide comprise the means, must by definition, be a criminal ideology.
Zeev Vladimir Jabotinsky (17 October 1880 – 3 August 1940)
I also stated that Far Right Zionist Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich must have been brought up on Zeev Jabotinsky’s National Zionist ideology. The Minister made similar comments to Jabotinsky, where Smotrich described the population of Gaza as Nazis: "We need to create a proper Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, because if we are not there, there will be 2 million Nazis who want to eliminate us...."
Zionist Smotrich also said half of Gazans can be encouraged to leave within two years. Smotrich euphemistically calls it: “Voluntary Emigration": “We can occupy Gaza and thin the population by half within two years,” through a strategy of encouraging “voluntary emigration.”
To understand the background of Zionism, one must read up on below:
This is what Zeev Jabotinsky had to say in 1925:
Palestine Remembered
‘Ze'ev (Zeev) Jabotinsky-A Brief Biography & Quotes’
https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acr ... ry640.html
Jabotinsky’s concept of a Jewish majority in Palestine:
1934
"The concept of a Jewish majority in Palestine was an essential pillar for Zionism to be realized. This point was repeated over and over by all Zionists, not just Jabotinsky. For example, Ze'ev Jabotinsky introduced the Betar's Oath as follows in 1934:
"I devote my life to the rebirth of the Jewish State, with a Jewish majority, on both sides of the Jordan." (Israel: A History, Martin Gilbert, p. 76)
Similarly, Jabotinsky said:
^ 'The fundamentals of the Betarian world' By Ze'ev Jabotinsky"For a long time, many Jews, including Zionists, were unwilling to understand the simple truth. They maintained that the creation of important positions in Palestine (settlements, cities, schools, etc.) is enough. According to them a national life could be freely developed even though the majority of the population were to be Arab. This is a great mistake. History proves that any national position, however strong and important cannot be safeguarded as long as the nation which built it does not constitute a majority. A minority can safeguard its cultural position only as long as it can control the local majority. Sooner or later, every country in the world is to become the national state of the predominant nation there. Thus if we desire that Eretz Yisrael should become and remain a Jewish State, we must first of all create a Jewish majority."
https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acr ... 320.html
Jabotinsky founded the Betar Youth Movement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betar
Forced Displacement of Palestinians:
1939
"Like all Zionists, Jabotinsky advocated not just a Jewish majority in Palestine but also the use of force to "transfer" them out of their homes, farms, and businesses. Ze'ev Jabotinsky stated in a letter to one of his Revisionist colleagues in the United States dated November 1939:
"There is no choice: the Arabs must make room for the Jews of Eretz Israel. If it was possible to transfer the Baltic peoples, it is also possible to move the Palestinian Arabs." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, By Nur Masalha, p. 29)
https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acr ... ry640.html

^^^ Of interest, the Zionist paramilitary organisation that operated in Mandatory Palestine between 1931 and 1948 IRGUN were a terrorist organisation - afaik, they don’t exist anymore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
The IRGUN (Hebrew: ארגון), officially the National Military Organization in the Land of Israel,[a] often abbreviated as Etzel or IZL (אצ״ל), was a Zionist paramilitary organization that operated in Mandatory Palestine between 1931 and 1948. It was an offshoot of the older and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah.[1]
The Irgun policy was based on what was then called Revisionist Zionism founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky.[2] Two of the most infamous operations for which the Irgun were known; the bombing of the British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre that killed at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children, carried out with Lehi on 9 April 1948.
The organization committed acts of terrorism against Palestinian Arabs, as well as against the British authorities, who were regarded as illegal occupiers.[3][4][5][6][7] In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments; in media such as The New York Times newspaper;[8][9] as well as by the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry,[10][11] the 1946 Zionist Congress[12] and the Jewish Agency.[13] Hannah Arendt and Albert Einstein, in a letter to The New York Times in 1948, compared Irgun and its successor Herut party to "Nazi and Fascist parties" and described it as a "terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization".[14]
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StarryPlough01
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Times Of India ’American Troops Land In Gaza Backyard Hours After Hamas Rejects Trump Surrender Call, Int'l Control’
Starry: I recommend watching all of the below video:
Sky News ‘Israeli troops pull back to new lines in Gaza | Prof Michael Clarke analysis’
Scroll to: 3:56 / 6:59
Defence and Security Analyst Professor Michael Clarke said:
“So, a force made up of that is Arab led, which we assume has got to be from the Gulf, has got to come forward. Now, some of the Arab states are saying in the last 24 hours they want a United Nations resolution to cover them because they ‘don't want to go into a force’ which may find itself taking on Hamas fighters and looking as if it's working with the IDF. They absolutely don't want that. They're an independent force. If they are an independent force to fill the vacuum between Hamas and the IDF and suppress any outbreaks of violence, then they want UN authority .[...]
Starry: ^^^ The UN peacekeepers should have gone in to Gaza. As the UN doesn’t have that kind of money, the Arabs ... would have had to pay. It has to be the UN or otherwise it’s an invasion. This must be why the Arabs want a UN Resolution.
Defence and Security Analyst Professor Michael Clarke said:
[...]
“And that's not military that's not military destruction. I mean, you know, if there are military objectives, you would expect certain areas and certain buildings to be standing. What the IDF always said is that they attacked buildings that were being used by Hamas. It is impossible to believe. There aren't enough Hamas people to use all of those buildings.
“What the IDF in reality were doing were taking down buildings that could be used at some point in the future as observation posts. So in a way they were flattening. Gaza as a preparation for any other military operations that they think they might want to conduct. [...] Whether it's malice or not that destruction is not militarily directed. It's directed at a much bigger vision of simply flattening an area that you may feel that you're going to fight in later on.
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ceannairceach
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I never thought I’d see the day when OEJ from the other page was considered concise….
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knownunknown
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I can’t believe people still quote Francesca Albanese as if she is someone we should listen to.ceannairceach wrote: ↑Sun Oct 12, 2025 11:23 am I never thought I’d see the day when OEJ from the other page was considered concise….
Pretty much everyone has admonished her for something or other. She supports terrorism and should never have been appointed as “special rapporteur” for the U.N.
As the French office said, “ The massacre of October 7 is the largest antisemitic massacre of the 21st century. To deny it is a fault. To seem to justify it, while invoking the name of the United Nations, is a disgrace.”
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knownunknown
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She is a liar and a disgrace. The amount of deaths has been revised DOWN several times because Hamas kept giving inflated numbers. The majority of dead aren’t women and children as was being reported for the first year. Notice how she doesn’t refer to any source. Here’s a source though.StarryPlough01 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 12, 2025 3:30 am ANF, Francesca Albanese, the Special Rapporteur for the Palestinian territories said:
"In fact, we shall start thinking of 680,000 because this is the number that some scholars and scientists claim being the real death toll in Gaza." [ (over 75 percent are women and children)
‘Possibly 680,000 Dead in Gaza - Francesca Albanese - Many scholars disputing official totals’[/b]
UN Halves Its Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza
Between May 6 and May 8, the UN cut in half its estimates of the number of women and children killed in Gaza. The estimates were based on Hamas numbers and are a reminder that all fatality estimates coming from that source are unreliable.
that “The numbers are not real. That much is obvious to anyone who understands how naturally occurring numbers work. The casualties are not overwhelmingly women and children….”
This change may signal that the UN has finally recognized the lack of evidence behind Hamas’s original claims that more than 14,000 children and 9,000 women have been killed in Gaza. If so, the UN should state clearly that it has lost confidence in sources whose credibility it has affirmed for months.
The Israeli foreign minister highlighted the UN's change, calling the lower reported death tolls for women and children "the miraculous resurrection of the dead in Gaza" and accusing the UN of relying on "fake data from a terrorist organisation".
https://www.cfr.org/blog/un-halves-its- ... illed-gaza
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-69014893
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knownunknown
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No there aren’t many scholars disputing official totals. She got her 680,000 from one report. It says 340,000 children less than 5 years old have died in Gaza but that aren’t that many 5 years olds or lower in Gaza. It’s quite simply; impossible.StarryPlough01 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 12, 2025 3:30 am ‘Possibly 680,000 Dead in Gaza - Francesca Albanese - Many scholars disputing official totals’[/b]
Which organization did Albanese work at for years, where did she get all her experience? UNRWA. The aid organization that was found to have active Hamas members that participated in Oct. 7th, the organization that was glorifying terrorist violence and teaching kids to hate Jews. That’s where she worked.

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ceannairceach
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The UN must be nowhere near this situation and she is a disgrace.knownunknown wrote: ↑Sun Oct 12, 2025 1:42 pm She is a liar and a disgrace. The amount of deaths has been revised DOWN several times because Hamas kept giving inflated numbers. The majority of dead aren’t women and children as was being reported for the first year. Notice how she doesn’t refer to any source. Here’s a source though.
UN Halves Its Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza
Between May 6 and May 8, the UN cut in half its estimates of the number of women and children killed in Gaza. The estimates were based on Hamas numbers and are a reminder that all fatality estimates coming from that source are unreliable.
that “The numbers are not real. That much is obvious to anyone who understands how naturally occurring numbers work. The casualties are not overwhelmingly women and children….”
This change may signal that the UN has finally recognized the lack of evidence behind Hamas’s original claims that more than 14,000 children and 9,000 women have been killed in Gaza. If so, the UN should state clearly that it has lost confidence in sources whose credibility it has affirmed for months.
The Israeli foreign minister highlighted the UN's change, calling the lower reported death tolls for women and children "the miraculous resurrection of the dead in Gaza" and accusing the UN of relying on "fake data from a terrorist organisation".
https://www.cfr.org/blog/un-halves-its- ... illed-gaza
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-69014893
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knownunknown
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The “right to return” is conditional, according to the UN, on living peacefully with your neighbours. Nakba, intifadas, Oct.7th, rejecting camp david, rejecting every UN resolution, etc… aren’t a sign of living peacefully with your neighbours.


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knownunknown
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Looks like the hostages will be released any moment now. Remember all the Hamas heads have been telling us for two years that Israelis don’t care about the hostages. They were lying.
The crowd were chanting “thank you, Trump”

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... agreement/
The crowd were chanting “thank you, Trump”

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... agreement/
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AnFearRéabhlóideach
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They definitely would want to look into the Israeli curriculum. Goebbels would be delighted with the effectiveness of the indoctrination efforts that have gone on in Israeli schools to radicalise the population so much that a majority can now tolerate the genocide of another people.knownunknown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 11, 2025 3:31 pm Yes but even more worrisome is that from a small sample of schools they found 82 teachers found to be creating this hate filled curriculum while 133 educators and assistants were posting hate filled rhetoric on social media. This has been happening for generations.
This is coming from impact-se who are
an international research organization that analyzes school textbooks and curricula to assess how they address issues of peace, tolerance, and human rights. Founded in 1998, the organization uses standards derived from UNESCO to evaluate educational materials and advocate for change to prevent radicalization and promote acceptance of others. They analyze curricula from around the world, including the Middle East, North Africa, and other regions
The twisted irony of the grandsons and granddaughters of Holocaust survivors being pushed towards such unbridled hatred of the Palestinian other so they can do unbelievable acts of torture and murder to even Palestinian women and children, that is mind bending considering it's exactly what Goebbels and the Nazis did to the population who then persecuted and murdered millions of their ancestors' relatives in Europe before and during WW2. People should be more wary now than ever of how social media is being used to create propaganda bubbles not just in Israel, but around the world today.
Hadas Emma Kedar, an Israeli postdoctoral student describes the subtle and not so subtle propaganda and indoctrination techniques being employed against the young population of Israel by its education system.
Senator Donie Cassidy, Seanad Debate, 10th April 2008
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
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AnFearRéabhlóideach
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Re: Israel and Palestine
So the perpetrators of the worst acts of genocide and the greatest anti-semitic pogrom of the 20th century, Ze Germans, are obviously the best ones to be listening to for advice on genocide. The German government are nearly tripping over themselves and apologising to the Israeli war criminals for not getting the guns, bombs and military equipment in quick enough to Israel to help carry out one of the worst genocides of the 21st century in Gaza. The German leaders really are a bunch of tactless planks. Somehow they always manage to be one the wrong side of history.knownunknown wrote: ↑Sun Oct 12, 2025 1:22 pm I can’t believe people still quote Francesca Albanese as if she is someone we should listen to.
Pretty much everyone has admonished her for something or other. She supports terrorism and should never have been appointed as “special rapporteur” for the U.N.
As the French office said, “ The massacre of October 7 is the largest antisemitic massacre of the 21st century. To deny it is a fault. To seem to justify it, while invoking the name of the United Nations, is a disgrace.”
Senator Donie Cassidy, Seanad Debate, 10th April 2008
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
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AnFearRéabhlóideach
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Re: Israel and Palestine
Any links there bud? Nope that's great. You're awful fond of those blanket assertions. Goebbels loved blanket assertions too. So did Hitler. Mussolini and Franco did too. I guess there's no pattern there though is there, eh ceannairceach?ceannairceach wrote: ↑Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:17 pm The UN must be nowhere near this situation and she is a disgrace.
Senator Donie Cassidy, Seanad Debate, 10th April 2008
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
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AnFearRéabhlóideach
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Re: Israel and Palestine
Yep pity Israel can't be trusted. Always looking for a more acres of the West Bank. Always looking to shoot more Palestinian women and children. Always looking for more excuses to dehumanise and degrade innocent Palestiniana. The majority of the inhabitants of Gaza are victims of the Nakba and original ethnic cleansing programs by the Zionists since 1948. I mean who would believe that Zionists would have the brass neck to try and ethnically cleanse a territory full of ethnically cleansed people? That's Zionism for you though. Not an ounce of shame about the utter racist poison it spreads among the Israeli population day in and day out.knownunknown wrote: ↑Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:36 pm The “right to return” is conditional, according to the UN, on living peacefully with your neighbours. Nakba, intifadas, Oct.7th, rejecting camp david, rejecting every UN resolution, etc… aren’t a sign of living peacefully with your neighbours.
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https://theconversation.com/a-short-his ... ict-266778
How many UN resolutions have been made against Israel now? Over 200 or so since the foundation of the state? Many of those were instantly vetoed by America after all that AIPAC bribery. Still though 45 passed resolutions have been completely disregarded or violated by the various governments of Israel since 1948. That's a record, no other country even comes close to them in terms of resolutions sought or breached. Amazing record lads. Of course, everyone really believes you'll stick to Trump's peace framework. It's not like international agreements or international law documents are like toilet paper to the leaders of Zionism? When will Netyenyahoo travelling to the Hague for his year out in court for the genocide and all the other war crimes? He seemed awful worried about flying over Europe their recently on the way to the UN General Assembly for some reason. Was he just doing some sight seeing over the Mediterranean or something?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ing_Israel
https://www.abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics ... =125935906
Senator Donie Cassidy, Seanad Debate, 10th April 2008
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
"[House] prices are now nearing the bottom end......Now is the right time to buy."
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knownunknown
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ceannairceach
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Re: Israel and Palestine
Echoed !!
I shed a tear seeing the reconciliations and thinking of those who will only be reunited in Heaven.
Yes I know Judaism doesn’t have a Heaven per se - but wherever they will see each other again.
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Clanrickard
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Re: Israel and Palestine
StarryPlough01 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 12, 2025 3:30 am ANF, Francesca Albanese, the Special Rapporteur for the Palestinian territories said:
"In fact, we shall start thinking of 680,000 because this is the number that some scholars and scientists claim being the real death toll in Gaza." [/i] (over 75 percent are women and children)
“As of 3 October 2025, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health, 67,075 people have been killed and 169,430 people have been injured ....”
“In the West Bank, 1,048 people have been killed and 10,320 people injured from 7 October 2023 to 3 October 2025 by direct violence.4 Altogether, the number of residents of Gaza and the West Bank killed and injured in this period is 68,123 people directly killed and 179,750 people injured.”
https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/sit ... r-2025.pdf
‘Possibly 680,000 Dead in Gaza - Francesca Albanese - Many scholars disputing official totals’
Sep 17, 2025 #unhrc #unitednations #FrancescaAlbanese
I continue in my below post...
Why do you post quite obvious lies?