Israel and Palestine

[schmittel]

It does, at least on the face of it, look tentatively positive. If both Hamas and Israel can engage and negotiate in good faith, then there might be light at the end of the tunnel.
That's a big if though.

[knownunknown]

The reaction to this plan from the people screaming genocide every day tells you everything you need to know. They don’t want peace, they never wanted peace. Look at the post two posts back and you’ll see there is no mention of the ending to the suffering. It’s about achieving a political goal and they don’t care how many civilians die.

These people took the high morale high ground, “won’t you think of the children, look at the numbers of dead” until the time for peace came, the time to end the genocide. “No, don’t end it” they scream while giving terrible rationale. It’s an unholy alliance between the far left and far right hating on Jews.

Hamas is perfectly entitled to reject a deal it dislikes, the same way Ukraine can. Hamas’ ability and willingness to reject the deal is a clear indicator of what the conflict in Gaza really is. Far from being genocide , it’s a war, a war that Hamas started and is losing very badly. You cannot simultaneously cling to a bunch of war goals in order to retain power and continue terrorism and at the same time claim to be a poor hapless victim of genocide.

The toutsis, Armenians and Jews were never offered a peace deal

[StarryPlough01]

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfee ... peace-plan
What we know about Hamas’ response to Trump’s Gaza peace plan
Hamas has announced it accepts parts of US President Donald Trump’s 20-point Gaza ceasefire plan but wants more talks on several key points. Here’s a breakdown of what we know so far.
4 Oct 2025


https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfee ... 2352112:0
Netanyahu under pressure as Trump pushes Gaza deal with Hamas
US president Donald Trump’s order to halt fire in Gaza has forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to ban his ministers from media interviews to avoid confrontation with the US president. Al Jazeera’s Nour Odeh breaks it down.
4 Oct 2025


Starry: I think Qatar and Saudi Arabia have influenced Trump.

If the hostages are returned, all the internal Israeli opposition to Netanyahu is weakened.

If Bibi loses power, they will make him go to jail in Israel.

How will Trump’s MAGA supporters react to the news?

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

The reaction to this plan from the people screaming genocide every day tells you everything you need to know. They don’t want peace, they never wanted peace. Look at the post two posts back and you’ll see there is no mention of the ending to the suffering. It’s about achieving a political goal and they don’t care how many civilians die.

These people took the high morale high ground, “won’t you think of the children, look at the numbers of dead” until the time for peace came, the time to end the genocide. “No, don’t end it” they scream while giving terrible rationale. It’s an unholy alliance between the far left and far right hating on Jews.

Oh I'm all for an end to the needless slaughter of innocent Palestinians. I would have said that the ceasefires made a long time ago should have stuck, but Netyenyahoo and the lads wanted to continue to allow the IDF free reign to continue blowing up Gazan children in bread queues. But, shur you know the Zionist Israeli government's version of common sense, doesn't seem too common to me, so for whatever reason, they said let's keep the Gaza meat grinder going another 6 months.

Nothing is guaranteed with the untrustworthy charlatans running the Zionist government in Israel. I mean nobody could be that utterly naive to think that after 2 failed ceasefires, deliberately sabotaged by Smotrich and the other Zionist fundamentalist loopers like Ben Gvir, with all the needless bloodshed thereafter, that this thing is over. I wouldn't be crowing about any lasting peace or anything else until this Zionist government is toppled and the cowboys are shackled up in some nice cosy cells in the Hague.

We haven't even heard Netyenyahoo's 'dignified' response yet. Patience is a virtue my friend. The Zionists always feel like there is no need to rush. I mean it's only 2 million people's lives that have been irreparably destroyed for 2 years on this fool's errand. A fool's errand based on the twisted fantasies of some Hungarian headbanger, Theodore Herzl, who created this poisonous ideology 140 years ago. It's like the West Bank. The Zionists land thieves take it acre by acre, no rush, just another Palestinian family's lives destroyed today. Another one tomorrow. The Gaza war was a new direction. The completely callousness and brutal manner in which they have razed Gaza to the ground, that's new territory for Zionism.

Apparently, the word round the campfire in Tel Aviv is that he's most reluctant to take what's on offer and most unhappy that Trump is blowing his horn so loudly, calling for the bombing to be ended immediately. I agree with Donald Trump for once. But, then again even Trump couldn't reign in Bibi the time they were lamping stuff in on top of the mullahs in Iran and he dropped an f-bomb in the process. So, patience dear knownunknown. We could be in for a bumpy ride yet. Remember what I said yesterday. A cornered rat is at its most dangerous when it feels there's no way out.

https://youtube.com/shorts/RHcKoaMiS0I? ... h1f4QNiw-a

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... s-efforts/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfee ... peace-plan
What we know about Hamas’ response to Trump’s Gaza peace plan
Hamas has announced it accepts parts of US President Donald Trump’s 20-point Gaza ceasefire plan but wants more talks on several key points. Here’s a breakdown of what we know so far.
4 Oct 2025


https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfee ... 2352112:0
Netanyahu under pressure as Trump pushes Gaza deal with Hamas
US president Donald Trump’s order to halt fire in Gaza has forced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to ban his ministers from media interviews to avoid confrontation with the US president. Al Jazeera’s Nour Odeh breaks it down.
4 Oct 2025


Starry: I think Qatar and Saudi Arabia have influenced Trump.

If the hostages are returned, all the internal Israeli opposition to Netanyahu is weakened.

If Bibi loses power, they will make him go to jail in Israel.

How will Trump’s MAGA supporters react to the news?

Qatar gave him a nice new toy to play with recently. A new jumbo jet worth about $400 million that Trump is adamant about turning into his new Air Force one. Little gestures like that help grease the wheels of 'democracy' at the White House. Doing up that airplane will probably cost the Yank taxpayer about about $400-600 million dollars extra to deck it out with a revolving bed, disco ball and an indoor ballroom.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/15/poli ... -force-one

It's all about the grift. You gotta maximise every opportunity to line your own pockets even if it means fecking over every nation on Earth with complete lies. Tomorrow, Bibi will but him another golf course to try and balance out such generous gifts to the dear leader of MAGA World. Anyway for now his cavernous ego and his gnat like attention span are probably focused on getting a Nobel Peace Prize for ending genocide in Gaza, so let's hope this back of the cigarette box plan doesn't evaporate instantly for the Gazans sake. Uncle Netyenyahoo is apparently due to makes a statement around 5pm Irish time according to Al Jazeera.

https://aje.io/53m8zq?update=4007928

Meanwhile, the 2 arch high priests of Zionist fundamentalism, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, are also planning to 'torpedo the deal' with their own 'charm' offensive. Naturally such a 'charm' offensive will likely entail explaining why adding another 20,000 dead Palestinian children to the death toll in Gaza by continuing this genocidal slaughter would somehow be in the best interests of Israel and Zionism going forward.

https://aje.io/53m8zq?update=4007928

[knownunknown]

Arrests and pepper spray as activists try to shutdown the port tunnel again. What are they protesting about if Hamas has finally agreed to a peaceful resolution.

The guards were ready for them this time.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-n ... d-36015102

[knownunknown]

Hundreds of arrests in the uk as “Palestine action” can’t respect a terrorist attack and seem to be revelling in the attention they are getting.

Phenomally tone deaf would be generous.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... ondon-demo

[StarryPlough01]

Starry: The 20 Point Plan was not a real attempt. Both sides will try to wriggle out of this to derail it.

Universal isolation of Israel will solve this problem, not US.

MAGA young people are sayng ‘Why are we part of this? ‘ ‘I thought this was America First, not Israel First?’

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog ... fire-reply


Trump pushing Netanyahu to ceasefire to appease his support base

By Shihab Rattansi Reporting from The White House
....
Among his [Make America Great Again or MAGA] base, particularly the young people in the base, the question is, ‘Why are we part of this? ‘ ‘I thought this was America First, not Israel First?’
And this is so potent right now in the MAGA base, particularly amongst young people, the enthusiastic base, Trump needs to keep the coalition together going into the midterms, and there’s a revolt under way.
So, when Trump talks about “Bibi took it too far and Israel lost a lot of support in the world, now I’m going to get all that support back”, Trump is also talking about, by extension, his position in his party with regards to foreign policy.


Trump says Israel has agreed to ‘initial withdrawal line’ in Gaza

In a post on his Truth Social platform, Trump has said the “withdrawal line” has been shared with Hamas.

“When Hamas confirms, the Ceasefire will be IMMEDIATELY effective, the Hostages and Prisoner Exchange will begin, and we will create the conditions for the next phase of withdrawal,” he wrote.

Trump’s post includes a map of Gaza with a yellow line running through it, still well within the Palestinian enclave. The illustration appears to suggest Israeli forces will continue to control well more than half of the Strip.

Starry: ^^^ They are pushing the Palestinians into the sea. Below is Trump’s X with a yellow line running through it:





Netanyahu ‘hopes’ Hamas will present stipulations to Gaza deal

Former Israeli diplomat Alon Pinkas says Netanyahu has “no choice” but to end the war in Gaza because Trump told him to.

“I don’t look too much into what Mr [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu says because it matters not, because tomorrow he will say something else and the next day he will say something else. There’s a very simple, very tangible test in the next few days,” Pinkas told Al Jazeera from Tel Aviv.

Following Netanyahu’s first address since Hamas agreed to Trump’s proposal, Pinkas explained that the Israeli leader “hopes Hamas presents stipulations and conditions that would make it impossible for the ceasefire”.

“[Netanyahu] is saying what he is saying to placate his coalition, not Trump, so he is very much relying on Hamas not living up to their end of this bargain,” Pinkas said.

“I don’t take anything he says as binding,” he added.

[StarryPlough01]

Oh I'm all for an end to the needless slaughter of innocent Palestinians. I would have said that the ceasefires made a long time ago should have stuck, but Netyenyahoo and the lads wanted to continue to allow the IDF free reign to continue blowing up Gazan children in bread queues. But, shur you know the Zionist Israeli government's version of common sense, doesn't seem too common to me, so for whatever reason, they said let's keep the Gaza meat grinder going another 6 months.

Nothing is guaranteed with the untrustworthy charlatans running the Zionist government in Israel. I mean nobody could be that utterly naive to think that after 2 failed ceasefires, deliberately sabotaged by Smotrich and the other Zionist fundamentalist loopers like Ben Gvir, with all the needless bloodshed thereafter, that this thing is over. I wouldn't be crowing about any lasting peace or anything else until this Zionist government is toppled and the cowboys are shackled up in some nice cosy cells in the Hague.

We haven't even heard Netyenyahoo's 'dignified' response yet. Patience is a virtue my friend. The Zionists always feel like there is no need to rush. I mean it's only 2 million people's lives that have been irreparably destroyed for 2 years on this fool's errand. A fool's errand based on the twisted fantasies of some Hungarian headbanger, Theodore Herzl, who created this poisonous ideology 140 years ago. It's like the West Bank. The Zionists land thieves take it acre by acre, no rush, just another Palestinian family's lives destroyed today. Another one tomorrow. The Gaza war was a new direction. The completely callousness and brutal manner in which they have razed Gaza to the ground, that's new territory for Zionism.

Apparently, the word round the campfire in Tel Aviv is that he's most reluctant to take what's on offer and most unhappy that Trump is blowing his horn so loudly, calling for the bombing to be ended immediately. I agree with Donald Trump for once. But, then again even Trump couldn't reign in Bibi the time they were lamping stuff in on top of the mullahs in Iran and he dropped an f-bomb in the process. So, patience dear knownunknown. We could be in for a bumpy ride yet. Remember what I said yesterday. A cornered rat is at its most dangerous when it feels there's no way out.

https://youtube.com/shorts/RHcKoaMiS0I? ... h1f4QNiw-a

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... s-efforts/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl

ANF, There are no words to explain this Trumpism:

'Trump company strikes Qatari golf resort deal in a sign it’s not holding back from foreign business'

By BERNARD CONDON May 1, 2025
https://apnews.com/article/trump-qatar- ... 4a05ae3207

The Trump family company struck a deal Wednesday to build a luxury golf resort in Qatar in a sign it has no plans to hold back from foreign deal making during a second Trump administration, despite the danger of a president shaping U.S. public policy for personal financial gain.

See this LINK: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... fded7fd19a

Continuing...

The project, which features Trump-branded beach side villas and an 18-hole golf course to be built by a Saudi Arabian company, is the first foreign deal by the Trump Organization since Donald Trump took office and unlike any done in his first term. Back then, he forswore foreign deals in an extraordinary press conference surrounded by stacks of legal documents as he pledged to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

ANF, There are no words to explain this Trumpism:

'Trump company strikes Qatari golf resort deal in a sign it’s not holding back from foreign business'

By BERNARD CONDON May 1, 2025
https://apnews.com/article/trump-qatar- ... 4a05ae3207



See this LINK: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... fded7fd19a

Continuing...

I expect that the next Camp David type summit between Palestine and Israel will be held at beautiful sunny Mar-a-lago because it just happened to be convenient for old orange blubber guts and his entourage of fawning sycophants. Trump may as well just keep the White House staff there permanently at this point to save on the exorbitant secret Service security costs.

The White House can be a White elephant for hosting gala balls and dinners for foreign shakedown type events in this new ballroom of romance they're flat out constructing at the minute. Trump is living like an Ottoman Sultan at this point. Next Bibi and foreign dignitaries will be expected to arrive on their hands and knees into Trump's Court with a big box of silver or gold in tow. Appropriate, given how Trump's wading America knee deep into further Middle Eastern disasters.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Arrests and pepper spray as activists try to shutdown the port tunnel again. What are they protesting about if Hamas has finally agreed to a peaceful resolution.

The guards were ready for them this time.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-n ... d-36015102

Good turn out for the protests yesterday in Dublin city centre. Hopefully, Irish people can keep up that kind or momentum now and keep showing solidarity with the beseiged Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. About 25,000 turned out according to media reports.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025 ... sanctions/

Well the Gardaí's heavy gang were a bunch of saints by comparison to how the IDF has been treating the kidnapped freedom flotilla members. Embassy officials report that there has been deprivation of food, water sleep and general mistreatment of the captured activists. Psychological and physical torture, especially against Ms. Thunberg given her very public involvement in the freedom flotillas.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... aza-sweden

Imagine what the IDF do to Palestinians whom they have interned for several years. Well actual we don't have to imagine, there have been reports for years of systemic torture, physical and sexual violence and even murder of Palestinians interned without trial in IDF prisons. Still though, Israel can always say it's the Middle East's only 'democracy'. Before you say it's all anti-Israel propaganda, I included a link from B'TSelem just for you Knownunknown.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno.amp

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... y-arrests/

https://www.btselem.org/publications/20 ... me_to_hell

That's a great line of defense for a genocidal regime isn't it though? Is that the kind of democracy like the kind you'd see in North Korea? The DPRK, the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea. Perhaps Israel should change it's name to the Democratic Zionist Republic of Israel, the DZRI? What do you reckon Knownunknown?

[knownunknown]

Internal fighting within Gaza. War broke out between Hamas and some clans not associated with Hamas. Hamas describes them as “Israeli collaborators” but they are probably just seeking an end to the war.

Just like the fighting that broke out in the nazi concentration camps or the Rwandan refugee camps…. Oh wait.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8jm2xlk1gdo

[ceannairceach]

Internal fighting within Gaza. War broke out between Hamas and some clans not associated with Hamas. Hamas describes them as “Israeli collaborators” but they are probably just seeking an end to the war.

Just like the fighting that broke out in the nazi concentration camps or the Rwandan refugee camps…. Oh wait.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8jm2xlk1gdo

That’s the concern, peace is the goal but Hamas want to “win” and by that they mean annihilate every Jew.

I don’t believe they want peace and will go all out not to accept any possible deal.

[p.ie man]

Professor Sachs explains to Tucker how Israel dragged America into wars in the Middle East.

[knownunknown]

Great news. The deadline has passed, Hamas have agreed to release the hostages and work on the deal while the Trump led peace deal, agreed by most Arab countries, seems to have worked and ended the war/genocide. Nobody could be happier but the people of Palestine that just want to live their lives. Not those nasty “river to the sea” people we’ve seen out protesting the streets of Europe every week. Those people would like the suffering to continue until Hamas achieves their political goal of the destruction of Israel, these Hamas sympathizers are the propaganda wing.

They’ve claimed the morale high ground this entire conflict and now they’ve been shown up for the murderous, evil people they are. Gazans have been oppressed, but that was by Hamas and now that oppression can finally come to an end.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Great news. The deadline has passed, Hamas have agreed to release the hostages and work on the deal while the Trump led peace deal, agreed by most Arab countries, seems to have worked and ended the war/genocide. Nobody could be happier but the people of Palestine that just want to live their lives. Not those nasty “river to the sea” people we’ve seen out protesting the streets of Europe every week. Those people would like the suffering to continue until Hamas achieves their political goal of the destruction of Israel, these Hamas sympathizers are the propaganda wing.

They’ve claimed the morale high ground this entire conflict and now they’ve been shown up for the murderous, evil people they are. Gazans have been oppressed, but that was by Hamas and now that oppression can finally come to an end.

Wouldn't the Israeli government do much better by offering a ceasefire immediately to Hamas as a mark of good faith and intent to show they legitimately desire an end to this war? Instead, they murdered 24 Palestinian civilians yesterday. 70 Gaza civilians the day before that. They're still hammering Gaza as though these peace negotiations are just a sideshow. The whole accept our peace terms or else turned out to be a lie too.

Now we are moving into negotiations after Israel tried to kill the Hamas negotiation team in Qatar less than a month ago after ignoring talks and sabotaging ceasefire offers for over a year now. Now here they are coming to the negotiating table with Hamas. How do any of these Zionist cowboys leading Israel lie straight in their beds, they're that twisted and two-faced. Suppose better late than never though for the poor unfortunate Gaza civilians who have been mercilessly butchered by an Israeli government that clearly sees them and their lives as mere pawns in their sick political games.

Some commentators are either completely lying or completely ignorant of the reality but newsflash, this genocide and conflict is still definitely ongoing in Gaza. For example, Trump claims the bombing of Gaza by the IDF has ended when in reality they increased the amount of stuff they were dropping the past 2 days. No peace agreement of any kind has happened yet and everyone's headed to Cairo to try sort out some kind of ceasefire, never mind a fecking peace agreement. The only ones wanting to make out a deal is already done have drank too much of Netyenyahoo's secret cool-aid being offered to true believers in the Zionist death cult.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Is ... ck_on_Doha

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/live ... f-gaza-war

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/ ... -ceasefire

[StarryPlough01]

Great news. The deadline has passed, Hamas have agreed to release the hostages and work on the deal while the Trump led peace deal, agreed by most Arab countries, seems to have worked and ended the war/genocide. Nobody could be happier but the people of Palestine that just want to live their lives. Not those nasty “river to the sea” people we’ve seen out protesting the streets of Europe every week. Those people would like the suffering to continue until Hamas achieves their political goal of the destruction of Israel, these Hamas sympathizers are the propaganda wing.

They’ve claimed the morale high ground this entire conflict and now they’ve been shown up for the murderous, evil people they are. Gazans have been oppressed, but that was by Hamas and now that oppression can finally come to an end.

^ I, (Starry), scissors ~~~ snipped~~~ 2 of your Tweets / Xs ^ but I'm keeping 2 of them for ease of reference:

Starry: The estimated 20 believed to be alive hostages are said to be spread out, as are the deceased. Hamas doesn’t hold all the deceased from October 7.

knownunknown, As you can see from your own quoted X / Tweet by Trump ~

Trump himself said there must be an immediate ceasefire, as it was too dangerous to get the hostages out safely and quickly in an active combat zone: " Israel must immediately stop the bombing of Gaza, so “we can get hostages out safely and quickly! Right now, it’s far too dangerous to do that.”

And, did you read in full the below Tweet / X you posted? Trump’s public retort to Bibi took me by complete surprise ...

Trump bluntly told Netanyahu: “I don't know why you're always so fecking negative. This is a win. Take it.”


OSINTdefender@sentdefender Oct 6, 2025

According to U.S. officials who spoke with Axios, when Hamas came back with a “yes, but” to President Donald J. Trump’s 20-point comprehensive peace proposal in Gaza on Friday, Trump called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss what he saw as good news. However, Netanyahu appears to have felt differently, reportedly telling Trump: “This is nothing to celebrate, and that it doesn't mean anything.” Leading Trump to fire back: “I don't know why you're always so fecking negative. This is a win. Take it.”

[StarryPlough01]

Qatar gave him a nice new toy to play with recently. A new jumbo jet worth about $400 million that Trump is adamant about turning into his new Air Force one. Little gestures like that help grease the wheels of 'democracy' at the White House. Doing up that airplane will probably cost the Yank taxpayer about about $400-600 million dollars extra to deck it out with a revolving bed, disco ball and an indoor ballroom.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/15/poli ... -force-one

It's all about the grift. You gotta maximise every opportunity to line your own pockets even if it means fecking over every nation on Earth with complete lies. Tomorrow, Bibi will but him another golf course to try and balance out such generous gifts to the dear leader of MAGA World. Anyway for now his cavernous ego and his gnat like attention span are probably focused on getting a Nobel Peace Prize for ending genocide in Gaza, so let's hope this back of the cigarette box plan doesn't evaporate instantly for the Gazans sake. Uncle Netyenyahoo is apparently due to makes a statement around 5pm Irish time according to Al Jazeera.

https://aje.io/53m8zq?update=4007928

Meanwhile, the 2 arch high priests of Zionist fundamentalism, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, are also planning to 'torpedo the deal' with their own 'charm' offensive. Naturally such a 'charm' offensive will likely entail explaining why adding another 20,000 dead Palestinian children to the death toll in Gaza by continuing this genocidal slaughter would somehow be in the best interests of Israel and Zionism going forward.

https://aje.io/53m8zq?update=4007928

^ Thank you ANF. Political analysts have said the unprecedented Israeli attack on Qatar’s capital Doha changed everything. It’s said to have galvanised and unified the 7 Gulf Arab states and Arab nations and put considerable pressure on Israel. Trump then used this (Israel’s major miscalculation) to put pressure on Netanyahu.

'A watershed moment: US-Gulf relations after Israel's attack on Doha’
‘The unprecedented Israeli attack on Doha will raise questions for Gulf states about the reliability of the US as a defence partner and security guarantor’
The New Arab
Giorgio Cafiero, 10 September, 2025
https://www.newarab.com/analysis/israel ... -relations

Atlantic Council article is worthwhile reading :
‘Why Israel’s push for West Bank annexation is going mainstream—and what it means for the Abraham Accords’
By Itai Melchior. October 2, 2025
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/m ... m-accords/

“But as the UAE raises the diplomatic stakes on such actions, domestic pressure on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to declare sovereignty and annex parts of the West Bank is growing. In the past, this was called for by the smaller right-wing parties and right-wing members of Netanyahu’s own Likud party. Today, many Likud members, including some of the most prominent party officials, are calling for the annexation of West Bank territory. There are several reasons why the demand is on the rise.

“The main one is the feeling that US President Donald Trump’s administration will support such a move or at least won’t object to it. This creates a relatively narrow window of opportunity between now and a possible fall of the Netanyahu government. Even though elections are set for October 2026, there is a growing belief that the current Netanyahu government will not make it there, and early elections may take place already in June. But, once elections are set, possibly by the end of March, the government becomes an interim caretaker government, which does not have the power to take such action. [...]

Starry: Political analysts have said elections have to be held in Israel by October 2026. People are pessimistic that the Budget will be passed in March next year. If this happens, the cabinet will fall and parliamentary elections will be held around June 2026.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

One of the most honest assessments of where everything stands at the moment in Palestine and Israel. Dr. Norman Finkelstein complete dismantles many of the propaganda narratives surrounding the current 'peace' negotiations. Finkelstein is utterly brutal and scathing in his criticism of the plan and the insane reality and future that awaits the Palestinians in Gaza, and perhaps one day the West Bank. It's actually hard to have much hope of any 'peaceful' future with the hard truths he delivers in this interview.

The complete devotion of large segments of Israeli society to Netyenyahoo's goal of ethnically cleansing by use of genocide is frightening. Polls showing upwards of half of the population approving of the means of genocide that have been used in Gaza or appearing to judge Palestinians as sub-humans, i.e one poll taken in Israel showed over 60 percent of the Israeli population believe there were no innocents in Gaza. The levels of indoctrination and intolerance in Israel are difficult to fathom really.

Furthermore, his assessment of a cleanup operation in a post war Gaza is particularly bleak, with the amount of rubble and unexploded bombs and ordinance, it could be decades before many parts of Gaza are habitable again. He estimates that perhaps 95% of buildings have been badly damaged or destroyed in the Gaza Strip and it could be 2060 before the 60 million tons of rubble, explosives etc. are finally cleared if work began on rebuilding Gaza in the next year or two.

Finally, and most worryingly, he fears that no matter what this peace deal looks like, there is a very high likelihood of a return to war on any flimsy pretext Israel's government wants to. That the goal has been and will always continue to be cleansing Gaza of Palestinians at any cost. It's hard to know where you can point to a ray of hope for innocent Palestinian civilians in the face of such stark realities.

[knownunknown]

Have you ever tried to listen to Norman Finkelstein? I’ve tried three or four separate debates, he’s always the guy to defend your sides position.

The problem is he is a windbag who is very difficult to listen to, doesn’t make good points, avoids questions put to him and mischaracterises the other side. He was on a few podcasts featuring genuine debate like Lex Friedman, triggernometry, these offer a fairer perspective as he gets push back on what he says. He’s not going to get any pushback from Al Jazeera, just pure propaganda.
Here he is now criticizing the Trump plan, the one ray of hope for peace. He doesn’t care about the people of Palestine.

Meanwhile, Trump has threatened total obliteration if Hamas renege on the deal.
Some carrot and some stick. That’s the way to do it. It’s not getting done by the activists screaming genocide like Finklestein who don’t want this peace initiative to succeed.

If you see about 8mins and thirty seconds he’s asked “does this plan offer any relief to the suffering of the Palestinians”.

The correct answer is yes, yes it does. It offers immediate cessation of warfare, immediate introduction of humanitarian supplies and the end to the genocide. Go and see what he says though, for a laugh.

“We shouldn’t stop the genocide because in two months we’ll be back to the genocide and won’t have the leverage of the hostages anymore.”

That’s the argument.

[ceannairceach]

Have you ever tried to listen to Norman Finkelstein? I’ve tried three or four separate debates, he’s always the guy to defend your sides position.

The problem is he is a windbag who is very difficult to listen to, doesn’t make good points, avoids questions put to him and mischaracterises the other side. He was on a few podcasts featuring genuine debate like Lex Friedman, triggernometry, these offer a fairer perspective as he gets push back on what he says. He’s not going to get any pushback from Al Jazeera, just pure propaganda.
Here he is now criticizing the Trump plan, the one ray of hope for peace. He doesn’t care about the people of Palestine.

Meanwhile, Trump has threatened total obliteration if Hamas renege on the deal.
Some carrot and some stick. That’s the way to do it. It’s not getting done by the activists screaming genocide like Finklestein who don’t want this peace initiative to succeed.

If you see about 8mins and thirty seconds he’s asked “does this plan offer any relief to the suffering of the Palestinians”.

The correct answer is yes, yes it does. It offers immediate cessation of warfare, immediate introduction of humanitarian supplies and the end to the genocide. Go and see what he says though, for a laugh.

“We shouldn’t stop the genocide because in two months we’ll be back to the genocide and won’t have the leverage of the hostages anymore.”

That’s the argument.

That penultimate sentence is in equal parts accurate and chilling.

[Brabantje]

What you and everyone else leave out when you share that nugget of information is how important the mens rea is when determining genocide. Intent is everything. Dolus Specialis must be proven, or else it all falls apart.

You can do all of the above to a group and it not be considered genocide if the intent for genocide never existed. The intent of genocide is to destroy the group completely and every record of their history. That’s not what the Israelis are doing. If they wanted to destroy all the Palestinians they easily could have done it several times over by now. They are fighting a terrorist organization deeply embedded in a civilian population with one of the highest population densities on earth. In order to fight Hamas and their entrenched positions they first move civilians out. They are feeding and providing utilities for the civilians of Gaza humanitarian zones as well as offering humanitarian corridors out of fighting at set times every day.

The Yazidis were never offered a surrender, nor the Jews.

No, i didn't land anything out. But thanks for playing.

The Gaza genocide is the ongoing, intentional, and systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip carried out by Israel during the Gaza war. The genocidal acts include mass killings, starvation, the infliction of serious bodily and mental harm, and preventing births. Other acts include blockade, destroying civilian infrastructure, destroying healthcare facilities, killing healthcare workers and aid-seekers, causing mass forced displacement, committing sexual violence, and destroying educational, religious, and cultural sites.[10] The genocide has been recognised by a United Nations special committee[11] and commission of inquiry,[12] the International Association of Genocide Scholars,[13][14] multiple human rights groups,[c] numerous genocide studies and international law scholars,[20][21] and other experts.[22]

[knownunknown]

No, i didn't land anything out. But thanks for playing.

Again you left everything out. Just like at the U.N.

If you want to address the evidence they provided for this genocidal intent look for yourself. You never provided any yourself when you outlined the conditions required to fulfill the case for genocide.

This is the crux of the issue and you left it out of your analysis.

They say that because so many people died it proves the genocidal intent. Any fair minded person would see otherwise.

[Brabantje]

Again you left everything out. Just like at the U.N.

If you want to address the evidence they provided for this genocidal intent look for yourself. You never provided any yourself when you outlined the conditions required to fulfill the case for genocide.

This is the crux of the issue and you left it out of your analysis.

They say that because so many people died it proves the genocidal intent. Any fair minded person would see otherwise.

Seriously you just posted that?

Let's go through this one by one. Reaaaaaal slow.

(a) Killing members of the group;

I think that box is pretty much ticked. 65k times at least.

Die Welt cites around 8.5k of these as Hamas fighters. Or 15% of the total deaths.

https://www.dw.com/en/hamas-strength-is ... a-74203922

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Largest cohort of cold amputees anywhere in the world. Yup, that box is ticked. Before we even get to the forced relocations and the deliberate demolition of housing on a vast scale.

The guardian cites 3 to 4k child amputees.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... n-injuries

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Refusing to let in aid, whilst also taking pot shots at those queuing for "approved" aid. There is more than enough verified evidence of this as to not be in dispute.
Bombing hospitals and shooting doctors with drones also ticks this box.

The un outlines its findings here:

https://unispal.un.org/pdfs/OCHA_BLOCKADE.pdf

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

The preponderance of children shot in the genitals among other things. Box ticked.

Outlined here by channel 4

https://www.channel4.com/news/teenagers ... on-in-gaza

This is before we get to the big about starvation. forced displacement and the destruction of health services which also add to the birth protection criterion.

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Less proveable, but the continued arrests of children as young as 6 is a clue here.

Outlined by amnesty here:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/u ... NGLISH.pdf

Once people grasp the concept that there can be more than one set of bad actors at a time, this makes much more sense.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Have you ever tried to listen to Norman Finkelstein? I’ve tried three or four separate debates, he’s always the guy to defend your sides position.

The problem is he is a windbag who is very difficult to listen to, doesn’t make good points, avoids questions put to him and mischaracterises the other side. He was on a few podcasts featuring genuine debate like Lex Friedman, triggernometry, these offer a fairer perspective as he gets push back on what he says. He’s not going to get any pushback from Al Jazeera, just pure propaganda.
Here he is now criticizing the Trump plan, the one ray of hope for peace. He doesn’t care about the people of Palestine.

Meanwhile, Trump has threatened total obliteration if Hamas renege on the deal.
Some carrot and some stick. That’s the way to do it. It’s not getting done by the activists screaming genocide like Finklestein who don’t want this peace initiative to succeed.

If you see about 8mins and thirty seconds he’s asked “does this plan offer any relief to the suffering of the Palestinians”.

The correct answer is yes, yes it does. It offers immediate cessation of warfare, immediate introduction of humanitarian supplies and the end to the genocide. Go and see what he says though, for a laugh.

“We shouldn’t stop the genocide because in two months we’ll be back to the genocide and won’t have the leverage of the hostages anymore.”

That’s the argument.

Yeah see I'm with Bassem Youseff on this one. "You don't debate with pathological liars, you diagnose them." You can mischaracterise and attack the character of every man and his dog on this planet, that doesn't change the reality on the ground in Gaza. Gaxa is suffering one of the most inhuman assaults of the 21st century so far by a Zionist government using overwhelming military force against innocent Palestinian men, women and children with almost no differentiation between combatant and non-combatant.

Over 80% of the casualties in Gaza have been non-combatants, that's according to leaked internal Israeli intelligence reports. Therefore, that's likely a fact or very close to reality as it was never meant for public viewing. I dare some random Hasbara hacks on here to tell me that the IDF, the Israeli government or any of the crap they propagate has any value in the face of such unbelievable slaughter of civilians.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025 ... -civilians

This is a government who has deliberately and intentionally scuppered several ceasefires, attempted to blow up peace efforts literally in a neutral country (the Qatar attack) and then uses threats of continued genocide and collective punishment to deliver an ultimatum to the Palestinians in Gaza of do as we say or else. What planet are you living on to even begin to suggest that this peace process is a runner?

The unabridged goal from the beginning of this war on October 8th has been the desire to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians by any and all means necessary. Finkelstein is adamant on that being the reality. He's been studying this topic, the Israel/Palestine and wider Middle East situation for over 40 years and your best attempt to discredit him is he's a windbag. Bravo, everything he says very slowly is irrelevant then, is that what you mean?

You say the Palestinian civilians will get respite fron this Zionist savagery, and then attempt to put words into the mouth of Finkelstein by insinuating that he doesn't care about the Palestinian civilians.

His answer to that question, that you clearly leave out of your post, is that yes there will be a temporary pause in the fighting and some small respite, but then because of how shoddily this 'peace' agreement is worded and how blatantly biased towards Israel's goals it is, the Zionists will either find a pretext or create a pretext to start up the Gazan meat grinder again. Then it's full steam ahead again for Netyenyahoo and the boys with the plan which as Finkelstein points out from day 1, from October 8th, is to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians, by genocide, by starvation, by all means necessary.

The old make up a quote and pretend that's what he said trick you use there at the end is a great one. Care to point out where Finkelstein said that or how you inferred that from the interview? Nope. That's great. Stay tuned though folks for more Hasbara slop from Netyenyahoo and other Israeli sponsors.