Judge releases Barbie- cites grave concerns

[knownunknown]

If they had grave concerns about his release they should keep him in prison until such a time that he is repentant. I hope he doesn’t hurt anyone else.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/bar ... 13374.html

[Bubblypop]

The article makes it sound as if the court ordered the release, I don't think that is the case, the reference to the judge and court is i think from the trial a few years ago. I think it is the end of the jail time and it is just the release date.
Very dangerous individual

[Jequ0n]

Won’t be out for long based on the reported behaviour in prison.
I understand why he wouldn’t feel remorse but the lack of any pretence shows complete disinterest in being part of society.

[ceannairceach]

Won’t be out for long based on the reported behaviour in prison.
I understand why he wouldn’t feel remorse but the lack of any pretence shows complete disinterest in being part of society.

On the plus side (sort of) the fact this deeply disturbing man being free and he will offend again, it should be the death knell for self ID and hopefully a catalyst for the repeal of the disgusting GRA.

[Bubblypop]

On the plus side (sort of) the fact this deeply disturbing man being free and he will offend again, it should be the death knell for self ID and hopefully a catalyst for the repeal of the disgusting GRA.

Can't see how anyone could come to that conclusion

[ceannairceach]

Can't see how anyone could come to that conclusion

No you wouldn’t.

Under his eye …

[Bubblypop]

No you wouldn’t.

Under his eye …

Good answer, makes perfect sense

[Jequ0n]

On the plus side (sort of) the fact this deeply disturbing man being free and he will offend again, it should be the death knell for self ID and hopefully a catalyst for the repeal of the disgusting GRA.

I can’t see that happening on the back of this particular case because the gender nonsense is just the icing on the cake. The extreme aggression and inability/ unwillingness to deal with it are the far greater concern. I’ve been there and if he didn’t cop on by now he has absolutely no concerns for repercussions.
If only I had known to dress as elegantly as him when I went through my idiotic rage phase…

[ceannairceach]

I can’t see that happening on the back of this particular case because the gender nonsense is just the icing on the cake. The extreme aggression and inability/ unwillingness to deal with it are the far greater concern. I’ve been there and if he didn’t cop on by now he has absolutely no concerns for repercussions.
If only I had known to dress as elegantly as him when I went through my idiotic rage phase…

I just think it’s incredibly scary and sad in equal measure how some women are happy to throw our sex right under the bus and let a freak like that into a women’s prison where they are in danger from him.

[Bubblypop]

I just think it’s incredibly scary and sad in equal measure how some women are happy to throw our sex right under the bus and let a freak like that into a women’s prison where they are in danger from him.

This person is a dangerous individual. Nothing to do with whatever gender they believe they are. This case has nothing to do with the GTA.
The individual was kept away from the general population.

[ceannairceach]

This person is a dangerous individual. Nothing to do with whatever gender they believe they are. This case has nothing to do with the GTA.
The individual was kept away from the general population.

This MAN.

And it has EVERYTHING to do with the GRA ffs.

[Bubblypop]

This MAN.

And it has EVERYTHING to do with the GRA ffs.

How exactly?
The individual in question is dangerous. Doesn't matter at all what their gender is. What does it have to do with the GRA?

[Jequ0n]

How exactly?
The individual in question is dangerous. Doesn't matter at all what their gender is. What does it have to do with the GRA?

Given everything you know about this person, do you think he should have been sent to a women’s prison facility?

[ceannairceach]

Given everything you know about this person, do you think he should have been sent to a women’s prison facility?

It’s a very simple fact - we have an Act where any disturbed individual such as Mr Gentile here can pay a very nominal fee and be given a certificate and gain access to the single sex spaces we require for safety, security and freedom to be.

Mr Gentile was “legally” declared a woman by this ridiculous pandering piece of legislation and hence why he ended up in a place he should NEVER have been - a prison with vulnerable woman. Ah yrs they bleat “but not in general population…” do mistakes happen? Yes. Are prisoners often wrongly classified, put in the wrong cell ? Yes of course.

But again I imagine the response will be to say that last paragraph “never happens” - okay, let’s say that’s right.

He threatened to rape a prison officer so badly she could never have children. That’s on the record. He should not have been anywhere near any woman.

He will attack again, he is sick, he is disturbed and belongs in a male hospital for the criminally insane.

[Bubblypop]

Given everything you know about this person, do you think he should have been sent to a women’s prison facility?

I don't think it matters one bit what prison, given the risks they were always going to be accommodated in protective/solitary custody.

[Jequ0n]

I don't think it matters one bit what prison, given the risks they were always going to be accommodated in protective/solitary custody.

I disagree here. There is a reason why specific facilities are segregated by sex. I know what I’d do if I had free access within a hen house like that, and I wouldn’t be the only one.
Why take that extra risk and increase the security measures at the facility just to suit someone’s fantasy, instead of just locking them up in a facility that is more appropriately equipped to deal with this level of aggression? It’s illogical.

[Jequ0n]

It’s a very simple fact - we have an Act where any disturbed individual such as Mr Gentile here can pay a very nominal fee and be given a certificate and gain access to the single sex spaces we require for safety, security and freedom to be.

Mr Gentile was “legally” declared a woman by this ridiculous pandering piece of legislation and hence why he ended up in a place he should NEVER have been - a prison with vulnerable woman. Ah yrs they bleat “but not in general population…” do mistakes happen? Yes. Are prisoners often wrongly classified, put in the wrong cell ? Yes of course.

But again I imagine the response will be to say that last paragraph “never happens” - okay, let’s say that’s right.

He threatened to rape a prison officer so badly she could never have children. That’s on the record. He should not have been anywhere near any woman.

He will attack again, he is sick, he is disturbed and belongs in a male hospital for the criminally insane.

I think a regular prison will do because he isn’t sick. He is just too stupid to realise that he won’t have a life if he doesn’t deal with his aggression and impulse control. No need to waste a lot more money on a specialised mental health facility.

[ceannairceach]

I think a regular prison will do because he isn’t sick. He is just too stupid to realise that he won’t have a life if he doesn’t deal with his aggression and impulse control. No need to waste a lot more money on a specialised mental health facility.

I take your point tbh. I’m just concerned regular jails have a release date.

[ceannairceach]

I disagree here. There is a reason why specific facilities are segregated by sex. I know what I’d do if I had free access within a hen house like that, and I wouldn’t be the only one.
Why take that extra risk and increase the security measures at the facility just to suit someone’s fantasy, instead of just locking them up in a facility that is more appropriately equipped to deal with this level of aggression? It’s illogical.

There’s a scandal at the moment in the UK where it’s feared the number of women sexually assaulted in hospital wards is much higher than had been reported.

I was once on a mixed ortho ward in Tullamore hospital overnight - even though the male patient was elderly, sedated and have broken pelvis I was still on edge - women need our safe, single sexed spaces and when a rape victim asks for a female officer it shouldn’t be Kevin, an AGP riddle loon calling himself Kandee.

[Bubblypop]

I disagree here. There is a reason why specific facilities are segregated by sex. I know what I’d do if I had free access within a hen house like that, and I wouldn’t be the only one.
Why take that extra risk and increase the security measures at the facility just to suit someone’s fantasy, instead of just locking them up in a facility that is more appropriately equipped to deal with this level of aggression? It’s illogical.

Protective custody cells exist in every prison. There are no extra security as it is already there. Prisoners can be placed in protective/solitary by order or they can request it.
Either way, they do not have free access.
What facility is more equipped to deal with the aggression?

[ceannairceach]

Protective custody cells exist in every prison. There are no extra security as it is already there. Prisoners can be placed in protective/solitary by order or they can request it.
Either way, they do not have free access.
What facility is more equipped to deal with the aggression?

https://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/news/ ... 35842.html

But the female officer is fine though ???

Get your head out of where it clearly is and for once let reality and safety trump ideology and stupidity.

[Jequ0n]

Protective custody cells exist in every prison. There are no extra security as it is already there. Prisoners can be placed in protective/solitary by order or they can request it.
Either way, they do not have free access.
What facility is more equipped to deal with the aggression?

This isn’t just a debate about this particular fruitcake but sex segregation in specific institutions.
For extremely dangerous cases like Kardashian who are kept in solitary anyway I question why he had to be moved to a female prison anyway. If he spends his days in solidarity anyway he is as safe from other prisoners so why not keep him in a male prison?

[Jequ0n]

There’s a scandal at the moment in the UK where it’s feared the number of women sexually assaulted in hospital wards is much higher than had been reported.

I was once on a mixed ortho ward in Tullamore hospital overnight - even though the male patient was elderly, sedated and have broken pelvis I was still on edge - women need our safe, single sexed spaces and when a rape victim asks for a female officer it shouldn’t be Kevin, an AGP riddle loon calling himself Kandee.

You will not like my opinion, but I think some expectations regarding safety and potential threats, as well as the expectation to believe everyone who claims to have been a victim, are disproportionate and often ridiculous.
Don’t get me started on calling victims “survivors”.

[Bubblypop]

https://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/news/ ... 35842.html

But the female officer is fine though ???

Get your head out of where it clearly is and for once let reality and safety trump ideology and stupidity.

You know there are female prison officers in male prisons right?

[Bubblypop]

This isn’t just a debate about this particular fruitcake but sex segregation in specific institutions.
For extremely dangerous cases like Kardashian who are kept in solitary anyway I question why he had to be moved to a female prison anyway. If he spends his days in solidarity anyway he is as safe from other prisoners so why not keep him in a male prison?

Why would it make any difference, whether the prison is male or female one. The Minister can direct any prisoner to be housed in any prison, as far as I am aware.