The LGBT lobby, a perfect example of boiling frog effect

[Belladonna]

My question was directed at you, because you insinuated that people were resisting them being granted their human rights.

Again, what rights do LGTB people in Ireland lack that any other group have?

Bubblypop confirmed that they were referring to the OP questioning whether it was a good idea to give gay (LGB without the T) couples the rights they fought for, which they didn't have until quite recently. Bubblypop didn't imply that they don't have rights *now*.

[Enoch Von Clausewitz]

i wonder if ya identify as an actual frog -boiling or otherwise- or anything else whatte's not a person/human, thenne surely any cases made/argued on behalf of human rights couldde easily be thrown out..

#strangetimes


i'm a three-legged multicoloured, luminous Cheshire Cat - i demeeowwn'd my human rights

[knownunknown]

i wonder if ya identify as an actual frog -boiling or otherwise- or anything else whatte's not a person/human, thenne surely any cases made/argued on behalf of human rights couldde easily be thrown out..

#strangetimes


i'm a three-legged multicoloured, luminous Cheshire Cat - i demeeowwn'd my human rights

We should immediately demand litter boxes in every public building and school. We should start experimenting on children with genetic therapy to give them feline features. We should demand cat like pronouns be published on linked in.

Teachers like Enoch Burke should be forced to call these new cat people “purr” and “tom”.

If you call this silly you are denying the existence of cat people and you are a bigot.

I’m with you buddy, stick in there.

[Jequ0n]

If you call this silly you are denying the existence of cat people and you are a bigot.

Incorrect. You don’t deny their existence but you want them to not exist end eradicate them from this earth. You fascist.

[NattyO]

Bubblypop confirmed that they were referring to the OP questioning whether it was a good idea to give gay (LGB without the T) couples the rights they fought for, which they didn't have until quite recently. Bubblypop didn't imply that they don't have rights *now*.

Then,again, her statement makes no sense….

[ceannairceach]

Then,again, her statement makes no sense….

Has any of them ever???

[Belladonna]

Then,again, her statement makes no sense….

It does. The opening poster questioned whether it was a good idea for gay couples to be granted those rights - and Bubblypop responded with "Terrible really all these people expecting to have their human rights!" I mean, she and I have sparred much more than we've agreed, but this thing of implying she said something which she didn't, and analysing her comment... just reminds me of how people carry on over yonder.

[NattyO]

It does. The opening poster questioned whether it was a good idea for gay couples to be granted those rights - and Bubblypop responded with "Terrible really all these people expecting to have their human rights!" I mean, she and I have sparred much more than we've agreed, but this thing of implying she said something which she didn't, and analysing her comment... just reminds me of how people carry on over yonder.

I think you are getting the wrong end of the stick here.
I understand who she was responding to and what she meant.

The only possible interpretation of her statement, is that she is saying, in a sarcastic way, that she believes LGBT people should be "getting their rights" - so it is a valid question to ask, what rights?
The only other interpretation is that she actually means the statement literally (which neither you nor I believe).

So, yet again, what rights? It's a simple question, you don't need to defend her, I'm simply asking, as I don't know what rights they lack - I believe all Irish people should have equal rights, so I would like to know.

The "people over yonder" dig is completely unnecessary, and sadly ironic - I was one of those who was banned from "over there" because I wasn't allowed to question the very person I now am. This site doesn't have sacred cows, and it is all the better for it, please do not try to make it into the other place.

[Belladonna]

What rights? The ones that the OP mentioned for gay couples, only granted recently, and about which the OP also pondered whether granting these was a good idea.

[NattyO]

What rights? The ones that the OP mentioned for gay couples, only granted recently, and about which the OP also pondered whether granting these was a good idea.

I’m not sure why you feel you have to answer, but anyway…..

So the answer to my question is none. There are no rights that lgbt people lack that anyone else has?

That’s what I thought.

[Belladonna]

Oh I'm free to post. That poster didn't SAY LGBT - so that includes trans - people don't have the same rights as everyone else (maybe she thinks they don't - I don't know). She confirmed she was referring to just gay couples looking for rights (nothing trans related) which they were granted recently, and which the OP ponders whether they should have been given.

[NattyO]

Oh I'm free to post.

No one said you weren't

That poster didn't SAY LGBT - so that includes trans - people don't have the same rights as everyone else (maybe she thinks they don't - I don't know).

For the third time, she said "Terrible really all these people expecting to have their human rights!" there is no other way of interpreting this other than that she is implying that they haven't human rights. You keep claiming, over and over that she meant this that or the other, yet give no reason why you believe this. I'm afraid I'll have to just assume you are talking rubbish if you can't even try to explain your reason for believing that.

She confirmed she was referring to just gay couples looking for rights (nothing trans related) which they were granted recently, and which the OP ponders whether they should have been given.

So you're agreeing with me? You're all over the place, can you try to explain, in clear English, what it is you are trying to argue? I am lost.

[Belladonna]

Wow, I've explained numerous times.

Opening poster - goes off on one about how maybe giving gay couples (just gay couples - nothing about trans people) the rights they fought for until recently wasn't a good idea. Bubblypop made that sarcastic comment in response.

LGBT is a misnomer. As ceannairceach said, the T is not to be conflated with gay. They mean different things.

[Bubblypop]

I think you are getting the wrong end of the stick here.
I understand who she was responding to and what she meant.

The only possible interpretation of her statement, is that she is saying, in a sarcastic way, that she believes LGBT people should be "getting their rights" - so it is a valid question to ask, what rights?
The only other interpretation is that she actually means the statement literally (which neither you nor I believe).

So, yet again, what rights? It's a simple question, you don't need to defend her, I'm simply asking, as I don't know what rights they lack - I believe all Irish people should have equal rights, so I would like to know.

The "people over yonder" dig is completely unnecessary, and sadly ironic - I was one of those who was banned from "over there" because I wasn't allowed to question the very person I now am. This site doesn't have sacred cows, and it is all the better for it, please do not try to make it into the other place.

? What do you mean you weren't allowed to question me? I don't remember ever having any discussions with you, although I haven't been on board for a few years.
This might explain why you seem to appear to just want to argue with me for any little stupid thing though.

[NattyO]

? What do you mean you weren't allowed to question me? I don't remember ever having any discussions with you, although I haven't been on board for a few years.
This might explain why you seem to appear to just want to argue with me for any little stupid thing though.

Pulling you up on your lies and half truths is tiring work, but somebody has to do it.
Not all heroes wear capes.

[Bubblypop]

Pulling you up on your lies and half truths is tiring work, but somebody has to do it.
Not all heroes wear capes.

Really? What lies and half truths exactly? Can you please point them out?

[Jequ0n]

My god can you just all f*ck one another and be done with this sniping. It would be nice to just follow a discussion.