IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[marhay70]

The flags issue will be interesting, how can you ban people from flying the national flag for some supposed reasons and OK it for others. Nothing will happen and if DCC try to get flags removed, it'll only spark more going up. False outrage in the silly season.

I expect there are guidelines on how to fly the national flag, and rightly so. No doubt everybody could be in breach of those as interpreted by the local Council.

[NattyO]

At least if government bodies go around banning the national flag we can finally stop the pretense that we are a real country any more.
Imagine the joy among the purple hair and nosering brigade - they can finally adopt the Palestinian flag as ours, and something noisy and nonsensical from Kneecap as our national anthem - Drug Dealin Pagans perhaps?

[Headshot]

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/09 ... tricolour/

I honestly dumbfound that our country has gotten to this stage

What an absolute woke nonsense

[Dubit10]

Had to post a package from Dundrum post office this morning for my daughter in Australia (yes she's there because it's too expensive to live here) and without a word of a lie the queue for the welfare handouts had 12 what looked like Somali or some sort of African men in it before me. They all seemed to know each other spoke (loudly) in their native language. I don't go down the post office much but im hoping this isn't a reflection on what's going on nationwide because it surely isn't sustainable.

[Dubit10]

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/09 ... tricolour/

I honestly dumbfound that our country has gotten to this stage

What an absolute woke nonsense

That's absolutely infuriating and makes me want to go out and buy a flag to hang from our house.

[jmayo]

Imagine if someone in our government had balls, full stop.
Let's face it, our Dail is full of lawyers and schoolteachers, so when the goodies are being dished out, lawyers and schoolteachers are first in line, but never forget, we put them there, we allowed FFFG to take power again for another five year, nobody else. I know that to many, including myself, the opposition is unpalatable but I would vote for Paddy McGinty's goat before I would give a preference to FFFG. And what about the 30 to 40 per cent who didn't vote, who never vote, they bear a lot of responsibility. We need a Jim Larkin figure to shake us all up.

Just have to correct here on something.
Yes FF/FG have been the main parties in power in Ireland but dear God just look what the so called left have ever done.
Labour for most of it's last 40/50 odd years in my memory has been a party of champagne socialists dominated by upper middle claas ones like Dick Spring, Ruairi Quinn, Mary Robertson, Fergus Finley, university student union types like Pat Rabitte, Eamon Gilmore and Batsh** herself.

They have been so far removed from Jim Larkin he would be spinning in his grave.

The Shinners are now the party jokingly referred in some circles as "Brits out, everyone else in".
They have gone woke, gone open borders and have affectively start calling cohorts of their former supporters racists.

And don't get me started on the leftie loonies like PBP, etc.

An no none of that absolves the mess that FF and FG have created.
I was life long FG voter, couldn't stand ff since time of haughey, then Ahern and the clown from Offaly took the the biscuit.
FG used to have some conservatism- fiscal anyway, mind you didn't ever like how all of them were church ar**lickers and consigned us to decades of church dominance.

But FG have thrown all of those conservative believes out the window.
The party of law and order my a r s e.

[jmayo]

Folks the aim is to destroy Western nation states.
After all just remember how our own Peter Sutherland let the cat out of the bag in the house of lords some years back.

Call me a conspiracist, but the game at play over the last couple of decades is to destroy Western societies as they once existed, to control the populations through new laws on speech, assembly and personal freedoms, and introduce taxes to change their lifestyles.

And part of this is to introduce as many immigrants, usually young men, into Europe and indeed the likes of Australia.

It doesn't matter they bring nothing but internal strife as has been shown by past immigrants, and the children of past immigrants, from a similar background.
Strife, along with their penchant for large families, is good as it destablises the host societies and makes them fragment.

Ordinary people are squabbling over fact men are dressing as women to get into womens only areas and indeed compete against them in sports.
Ordinary people are more worried about where they are going to live to worry about fact they are getting ridden by mega rich corporations.

The useful idiots, ala the numbnuts in NGOs pushing the woke and open borders crap, the ones out protesting and exclaiming we doubters are all racists, the media lackies pedaling the shyte, the so called academics paid to lecture us, will eventually be cast aside when their usefulness is gone.

It is all a part of globalisation.

Another strand is the destruction of agriculture, or more correctly the traditional family farm.

See how farmers are being targeted throughout the Western world.
For many decades in the US family farms have been becoming less viable and genetically modified crops are being foisted on farmers meaning dependence on MNCs.
In Europe the guise of climate change is used to target farming, yet the same powers that be are happy to import food from South America where rain forests are being destroyed.
Go figure.
In Europe we are meant to turn productive farmland back into bogs, or in case of Netherlands the sea.

Just look at trend regarding taxes.
UK introduces inheritance tax for farmers that will drive people out of family farms.
German cancels tax breaks for fuel.
In Australia, Victoria at least, tax breaks on fuel going as well.
In New Zealand big takes on Utes introduced, to save the planet of course.

There is a grand plan at play and good old Ireland is one of the primary testing grounds.

But shure it is all good, Sorcha and Jonathan have high paying jobs with Google, Meta or some pharma company here with a postbox HQ.
They can still afford the overpriced suburban townhouse and the EV whose batteries will run out in a few years.
Well for now they can, but just watch out for the old AI.
Oh and the cheaper tax haven coming over the horizon.

[NewBroom]

Peter Sutherland was just a useful tool at the time for others. He didn't care anyway as well above the threshold where he or his would be personally affected.

I do think the two main parties that we've had in power have a lot to answer. Who gave them the mandate to take us down this road. When did they ever explain and look for votes on the basis of the economic policies they have embraced. When did they explain the possible consequences to the voting public? I don't recall ever being consulted as to the rapidly changing nature of our society, economy & culture. Does anyone?

[jmayo]

Peter Sutherland was just a useful tool at the time for others. He didn't care anyway as well above the threshold where he or his would be personally affected.

I do think the two main parties that we've had in power have a lot to answer. Who gave them the mandate to take us down this road. When did they ever explain and look for votes on the basis of the economic policies they have embraced. When did they explain the possible consequences to the voting public? I don't recall ever being consulted as to the rapidly changing nature of our society, economy & culture. Does anyone?

Sutherland was in the inner circle.
Don't forget he was Goldman Sachs chairman.
You don't get that kinda of gig unless you are already in the inside.

FG under Varadker changed immeasurably.
Now the rot had started under Kenny when he first appointed that bint Zappone.
Then to add insult to injury he gave a certain group their own ethnic status.
That was the beginning of a lot of this shyte.

Varadker and laterally Harris have taken the lunacy to a whole new level.
The worse thing that ever happened was Varadker getting power.

That was evident couple of years ago when one of the wily old guard, Michael Ring, commented that he believed Harris should drop contentious things like hate speech legislation.
Harris did the opposite so Ring did not run again.

What is astounding is that the once very clued in always populist political machine that was FF haven't figured out that there is massive amount of votes in anti immigration and that people are pi**sed off with things like the constitutional amendments mullarkey.

[NewBroom]

The Irish public have been sold a pup... except that we were never even asked if we wanted to buy that pup. It was just placed in our laps and we were told to pay and suck it up.

We have been manoeuvred into a situation where a large proportion of the tax take comes from corporation taxes from a relatively small number of large international entities. And we are now beholden to them and their demands and needs. With that comes the swathes of talent to staff these companies who all need housing, education and medical services. We train doctors, nurses and care workers and they leave the state, requiring us to import nurses, doctors and care workers who all need housing, education and medical services. We promote the idea that all our own need a 3rd level education and when they get it, there are insufficient jobs for all so they emigrate. We then have fewer manual workers and tradespeople so we import these and guess what, they need all need housing, education and medical services. We don't have enough workers to do low paid work in agriculture so guess what, we import these and they need all need housing, education and medical services. There's the appearance of money sloshing around, so guess what we attract war refugees and economic migrants who all need housing, education and medical services. Meanwhile we have a few extra bob in our pockets, eaten up by inflation and a few new shiny motorways to drive our EVs on.

But what does/ did the the average Irish family want two decades ago? To be able to have a family and afford a house on a reasonable income, to have an expectation that our children might have the same experience, to have grand children. To make a contribution to Irish society in our own modest ways. We didn't need fancy new motorways, or white elephant hospitals or the whole panoply of shiny goods shown to us. The fact is that we have been betrayed by the people that we voted in over the past quarter century. They have taken us down a road that we wouldn't have chosen given an explanation and choice.

And we rightly should be angry about this.

[jmayo]

We as a state, or rather the ones that run this state, have learned nothing from the construction/retail bubble cheap credit fiasco.
Then tax coffers were filled with stamp duty, taxes on construction entities, vat on massive retail sales.

We were told only miserable doubters were highlighting it was all a house of cards.
Public spending went through the roof all on non sustainable taxes.

Now the state apparatus and the politicians are basing massive public spending on a tax base that could drastically reduce based on world wide recession or now more likely retrenchment of US MNCs back to the US to satisfy US government.

Even worse this time the even more massive public spending increase is on a bunch of freeloaders that have arrived in this country often from God knows where.

Come a recession, come a drop in FDI corpo taxes, the shyte will really hit the fan.

Never mind the huge number of single male chancers from some of the most backwards sh**holes in the world who will never contribute anything but only take out of the system, what about all the others with their beaks in ultimately the tax payer funded troughs?

What happens to the thousands of Ukrainians?
Will they go home or happily stay here getting freebies all the while avoiding their patriotic duty.

What happens to the thousands of actual legitimate legal immigrants to the country, who often now have citizenship, when there is major recession or when their FDI employer up sticks and cuts jobs or leaves?
What will all those Indians who have bought homes here do if they lose their jobs in the Tech industry?

Once again our government are like the ones in charge of the Titanic.
Full steam ahead and let the plebs suffer the consequences.

[NattyO]

We as a state, or rather the ones that run this state, have learned nothing from the construction/retail bubble cheap credit fiasco.
Then tax coffers were filled with stamp duty, taxes on construction entities, vat on massive retail sales.

We were told only miserable doubters were highlighting it was all a house of cards.
Public spending went through the roof all on non sustainable taxes.

Now the state apparatus and the politicians are basing massive public spending on a tax base that could drastically reduce based on world wide recession or now more likely retrenchment of US MNCs back to the US to satisfy US government.

Even worse this time the even more massive public spending increase is on a bunch of freeloaders that have arrived in this country often from God knows where.

Come a recession, come a drop in FDI corpo taxes, the shyte will really hit the fan.

Never mind the huge number of single male chancers from some of the most backwards sh**holes in the world who will never contribute anything but only take out of the system, what about all the others with their beaks in ultimately the tax payer funded troughs?

What happens to the thousands of Ukrainians?
Will they go home or happily stay here getting freebies all the while avoiding their patriotic duty.

What happens to the thousands of actual legitimate legal immigrants to the country, who often now have citizenship, when there is major recession or when their FDI employer up sticks and cuts jobs or leaves?
What will all those Indians who have bought homes here do if they lose their jobs in the Tech industry?

Once again our government are like the ones in charge of the Titanic.
Full steam ahead and let the plebs suffer the consequences.

This is the elephant in the room.
Between all the signs of a coming recession, and the pullback of MNC’s to the US, we are standing on a precipice. When the Celtic Tiger collapse came, we were able to radically contract public spending very rapidly - basic services were cut, and huge numbers of Irish left the country for work.
What happens this time? As we have seen through numerous court cases already, cutting services to our “guests” simply isn’t possible. Will they leave? Why would they? They are getting free bed and board, spending money, and the joy of a consequences-free lifestyle - if you were the type of person to take advantage of that in the first place, would you? Especially in a global recession, where you know you are not going to get such a sweet deal anywhere else? Of course not. Those people are here for life, along with their descendants.
As for the Ukrainians, something I was told by a Ukrainian recently hadn’t occurred to me - he’s been here for 20 years, and has some interesting observations about the more recent influx, that I won’t get into now, suffice to say, he pointed out to me that, in the event of a peace deal, and everyone having the opportunity to return, what kind of welcome do you think the Ukrainians who fought on the front lines will give to the lads who spent the war drawing the dole (and possibly shagging the soldiers wives) in Ireland? Do you think they might harbour some ill will towards them? None of the lads who fought the war from a hotel in rural Ireland are going back, they know what awaits them.
What of all the delivery drivers, “English language students”, cleaners, and the near-mythical “people who do the jobs the Irish won’t do” - will they leave in a recession? Again, why would they? The dole they will get here is likely to be far more than the wage they could earn elsewhere.
So what will happen? The same as last time - vast numbers of well-educated, experienced, hardworking Irish will head out of the country to find work elsewhere, but this time, instead of the usual case, where the stubborn, the passionate, the grafters, and the die-hards staying home to roll up their sleeves and rebuild the country one brick at a time, you will have a vast army of freeloaders, with no real connection to Ireland, sitting on their arses, waiting to be fed, watered, and paid. And they will not tighten their belts, or pull on the green jersey. No hair shirts for these lads.
How will the economics work in that case?
Not well I should imagine.

[NewBroom]

This morning, RTE are getting their knickers in a complete twist over a young child that apparently went missing a few years ago. Reading between the lines and the half questions this was the child of one of our new arrivals. Why would we expect them to follow the norms of Irish society? What's to get concerned about other than the sad demise of a young child. There's no big questions to be answered as the NGOs are making out.

[Jequ0n]

This morning, RTE are getting their knickers in a complete twist over a young child that apparently went missing a few years ago. Reading between the lines and the half questions this was the child of one of our new arrivals. Why would we expect them to follow the norms of Irish society? What's to get concerned about other than the sad demise of a young child. There's no big questions to be answered as the NGOs are making out.

The uncomfortable topic of benefits payments that go abroad needs to be kept quiet.
The missing child is irrelevant to be fair. If it’s dead it’s dead but the bigger question is why money might have kept flowing.

[Bubblypop]

Will they be demanding we take down all the Palestinian flags too?

Hopefully

[Bubblypop]

This morning, RTE are getting their knickers in a complete twist over a young child that apparently went missing a few years ago. Reading between the lines and the half questions this was the child of one of our new arrivals. Why would we expect them to follow the norms of Irish society? What's to get concerned about other than the sad demise of a young child. There's no big questions to be answered as the NGOs are making out.

Like the last child that went missing presumably dead?

[NewBroom]

Several days coverage of this unfortunate missing child now. Seems to have to come to light with an attempted false claim for social welfare benefits.

Notably, RTE anyway are tight lipped and silent as to the family background. The absence of this info is so obvious that it's painfully obvious what they won't report.

Jim O'Callaghan now reporting that c 2500 'deportation orders' have been issued this year and that he thinks 1300 have left. He also said that all are welcome to come here (if genuine)! Wouldn't you think he'd have learnt from Roddy's careless words.

[Dubit10]

We've just hung the flag outside our house this morning. Had no intention of flying one before but the disgusting way the people putting them up have been treated and labelled racists by the woke mob pissed me right off. Fair few gone up in the area the last few days also seems a lot of people feel the same way.

[kadman]

i can forsee a thriving market down the road for tricolours

[BrianD3]

Something that seems to often get missed in these discussion is the effect and potential effect of "legal migration" with large numbers of people coming here to work, many of them in decent jobs. I was chatting to a Brazilian girl recently, she is working in a good job in a MNC. Unprompted, she started to talk about why she came here and launched into stats about quality of life, social supports, lack of crime, the education system, educational attainment etc. I was quite taken aback by the amount of reading that she had clearly done but probably shouldn't have been taken aback. The people coming here are in many case, clever, ambitious and ruthless.

I have some thoughts swirling around in my head about this and other factors and have a bad feeling that, given the small size of the country and how open we are, that we could end up in a recession that is at least as bad as the last one.

-reliance on MNCs

-even with the MNC funny money and an economy that has been overheating for some time, sovereign debt to GDP ratio is still higher than it was in 2007

-house prices

-rents

-numbers in the public service and public service salaries much higher now while at the same time, services can't cope with demand

-consumerism

-cars bought on PCP

-expensive house renovations

-being told we are "at full employment" and we need more workers "to do the jobs that Irish people won't do"

-went to a sandwich/coffee shop recently for the first time in a good few years and couldn't believe the prices, over 10 quid for a chicken wrap, probably less than 20 g of protein in it. the place was packed could barely get a seat

-issues that very few people seem to be talking about such as the massive inflation in health insurance premiums in recent years.

[NewBroom]

Something that seems to often get missed in these discussion is the effect and potential effect of "legal migration" with large numbers of people coming here to work, many of them in decent jobs.

This is abundantly true and a predictable outcome following on from the policies adopted by successive governments for the past two & three decades. These people need accommodation & services etc They are more likely to be young and fertile, having children - knock on for education provision and changing demographics. Quite why we need all these high tech companies and jobs staffed by non national talent has never really been explained to us.

We are an open economy subject to the whims of international trade & taxation, this is often admitted by the powers that be when it suits them. But when that thorny issue of 'whim' is put to them, they'll also insist that it's very hard for companies to up & go. Try and have it both ways.

We could easily have a significant crash in our tax income from these big entities with public service spending and spending on infrastructure, benefits etc slashed and the economy crashing overall. In this scenario, I guess some legal migrants will leave and follow the money elsewhere but others that have put down roots and have kids etc we're likely stuck with. The slashing of supports to economic migrants and so on would certainly impact on their numbers arriving.

[Bubblypop]

Several days coverage of this unfortunate missing child now. Seems to have to come to light with an attempted false claim for social welfare benefits.

Notably, RTE anyway are tight lipped and silent as to the family background. The absence of this info is so obvious that it's painfully obvious what they won't report.

Jim O'Callaghan now reporting that c 2500 'deportation orders' have been issued this year and that he thinks 1300 have left. He also said that all are welcome to come here (if genuine)! Wouldn't you think he'd have learnt from Roddy's careless words.

What won't they report?
Do you have some information that no one else does?

[Dubit10]

Several days coverage of this unfortunate missing child now. Seems to have to come to light with an attempted false claim for social welfare benefits.

Notably, RTE anyway are tight lipped and silent as to the family background. The absence of this info is so obvious that it's painfully obvious what they won't report.

Jim O'Callaghan now reporting that c 2500 'deportation orders' have been issued this year and that he thinks 1300 have left. He also said that all are welcome to come here (if genuine)! Wouldn't you think he'd have learnt from Roddy's careless words.

We all know why it's being under reported. If this was a white catholic family from the same area we'd have wall to wall coverage. Plenty of stuff from the community circulating on X about the individuals involved.

[marhay70]

We all know why it's being under reported. If this was a white catholic family from the same area we'd have wall to wall coverage. Plenty of stuff from the community circulating on X about the individuals involved.

It's all over the media, including interviews on RTE, reports of an attack on a Pakistani doctor in Dublin. While I can't condone this, reports elsewhere say that there have been over 3000 assaults on frontline staff in Irish Hospitals, in the first six months of this year, and not a peep from RTE.
I wish Dr. Aziz well and a speedy recovery, but it's this type of selective reporting that turns people against the media.

[Bubblypop]

We all know why it's being under reported. If this was a white catholic family from the same area we'd have wall to wall coverage. Plenty of stuff from the community circulating on X about the individuals involved.

Do you have some information about the family involved? You seem to be saying that the parents of this child are not Irish, is there some proof of this? It seems that you need to prove such posts here, you can't just pick things off the top of your head and post them as facts, you know.
So if you know some facts about this family, I think you should actually post them.