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Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Jequ0n
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:13 pm The problem is that you can't apply logic to deal with people who are entirely illogical.

When do you start to clamp down on these pricks exactly?

I understand it's a drain on resources and turns the whole thing into a circus but that's what's needed for these people to get the message.

Currently they have the run of whatever part of the UK they choose to have.

Just look at the Tower Hamlets demonstration over the weekend, extremely militant loons screaming Allahu Akbar making it clear that the area is now an Islamic stronghold.

The UK has over 40,000 Islamic terrorists on its watch lists and or in prison, that's just the ones that are on the radar.

We're talking about an existential threat at this stage.

It's mind boggling how we got to this point but it's largely down to not wanting to cause offence, a consideration routinely disregarded by Islamic fundamentalists towards the kufar.
You start by prioritising your own citizens, not other nationals who decide to visit during a time when their country is involved in a major conflict that is fuelling both radical Muslims and the idiotic left wing fanatics alike.
The Tower Hamlets protestors should have been rounded up and charged like the Southport rioters were. My only guess is that nothing “serious enough” has happened yet to give the spineless government an excuse to execute drastic measures yet.
knownunknown
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Should this professor be fired for this own safety? Maybe he should be locked away for his own safety too.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... r-ben-gad/
https://news.sky.com/story/professor-la ... y-13455406
ceannairceach
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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knownunknown wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:48 pm Should this professor be fired for this own safety? Maybe he should be locked away for his own safety too.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... r-ben-gad/
https://news.sky.com/story/professor-la ... y-13455406
Depends on what sort of risk assessment the experts in the police carry out ??
Jequ0n
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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knownunknown wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:48 pm Should this professor be fired for this own safety? Maybe he should be locked away for his own safety too.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... r-ben-gad/
https://news.sky.com/story/professor-la ... y-13455406
Should all be rounded up and arrested for harassment and defamation (which will eventually happen). Any protestor who films their antics whilst hiding their identify is only in it for virtue signalling anyway.
jmayo
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Jequ0n wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:59 pm It’s the right thing to do. This isn’t being done to punish the visiting fans but because there is reason to believe that the event or the visiting fans could become a target.
If the match went ahead and something did happen the outrage would be deafening.
It is totally wrong and cowtowing to islamists once again.
Jequ0n
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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jmayo wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 7:39 pm It is totally wrong and cowtowing to islamists once again.
You’re not the one who will be judged when something goes wrong.
schmittel
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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It seems a bit insane that so many people think it is preferable to allow these fans to travel and then deal with the fall out of the inevitable violence.

Surely this is routine stuff in the world of policing football matches - if there is good reason to expect violence etc you try and get ahead of the problem. It's unfortunate but it has been a problem for years, football seems to provide ample cover for thuggery.
Nullzer0
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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schmittel wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:02 pm It seems a bit insane that so many people think it is preferable to allow these fans to travel and then deal with the fall out of the inevitable violence.

Surely this is routine stuff in the world of policing football matches - if there is good reason to expect violence etc you try and get ahead of the problem. It's unfortunate but it has been a problem for years, football seems to provide ample cover for thuggery.
Nothing about this is routine in football. I can't think of a single instance like this occurring in the past.
The only thing that relates to it is clubs being made to play games behind closed doors as punishment.

Right now it's Macabi Tel Aviv fans that are being told to stay away, fundamentalist Muslims in the UK tend to not be interested in football itself, maybe these loons will take issue with any football taking place next, or noise during Muslim prayer times, it could be anything.

There's a good number of Aston Villa fans who are Jewish who have more skin in the game than any of us who also see this as the thing end of the wedge also.

This horse has bolted, these fans won't be attending Villa Park and Pursuant to that there will be further threats made by these Islamic nutters on any number of issues. This is just the beginning.
Bubblypop
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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schmittel wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:02 pm It seems a bit insane that so many people think it is preferable to allow these fans to travel and then deal with the fall out of the inevitable violence.

Surely this is routine stuff in the world of policing football matches - if there is good reason to expect violence etc you try and get ahead of the problem. It's unfortunate but it has been a problem for years, football seems to provide ample cover for thuggery.

It appears those people actively want Israeli fans to travel and be subjected to all types of abuse, or worse. Just so they can say 'muslims bad'
Unfortunately, atm there is a huge amount of bad feeling towards Israeli people from many different countries. I'm sure police have info about all risks involved.
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:28 pm Nothing about this is routine in football. I can't think of a single instance like this occurring in the past.
The only thing that relates to it is clubs being made to play games behind closed doors as punishment.

Right now it's Macabi Tel Aviv fans that are being told to stay away, fundamentalist Muslims in the UK tend to not be interested in football itself, maybe these loons will take issue with any football taking place next, or noise during Muslim prayer times, it could be anything.

There's a good number of Aston Villa fans who are Jewish who have more skin in the game than any of us who also see this as the thing end of the wedge also.

This horse has bolted, these fans won't be attending Villa Park and Pursuant to that there will be further threats made by these Islamic nutters on any number of issues. This is just the beginning.
Go back and read the thread. There were numerous links to matches were traveling fans were banned for various reasons.
Nullzer0
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Bubblypop wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:45 pm Go back and read the thread. There were numerous links to matches were traveling fans were banned for various reasons.
Due to their poor behaviour.

Macabi Tel Aviv fans were involved in poor behaviour in Amsterdam because they were targeted by fundamentalist Muslims.

I don't need to be lectured on anything related to football. I can tell you categorically that this is an unprecedented situation.
Nullzer0
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Bubblypop wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:43 pm It appears those people actively want Israeli fans to travel and be subjected to all types of abuse, or worse. Just so they can say 'muslims bad'
Unfortunately, atm there is a huge amount of bad feeling towards Israeli people from many different countries. I'm sure police have info about all risks involved.
Muslims are making themselves look bad, they don't need it pointed out by anyone.

If normal Muslims don't want to be associated with this behaviour then they need to speak up, just like normal Irish people did during the troubles.

It isn't a case of people being sting an excuse to say Muslims bad, it's just an observation of Muslims being antisemitic, misogynistic, homophobic the list goes on.

These are all bad things that they're choosing to be known for. It isn't being projected onto them by a third party.
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:47 pm Due to their poor behaviour.

Macabi Tel Aviv fans were involved in poor behaviour in Amsterdam because they were targeted by fundamentalist Muslims.

I don't need to be lectured on anything related to football. I can tell you categorically that this is an unprecedented situation.
No. Read the links.
Bubblypop
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:50 pm Muslims are making themselves look bad, they don't need it pointed out by anyone.

If normal Muslims don't want to be associated with this behaviour then they need to speak up, just like normal Irish people did during the troubles.

It isn't a case of people being sting an excuse to say Muslims bad, it's just an observation of Muslims being antisemitic, misogynistic, homophobic the list goes on.

These are all bad things that they're choosing to be known for. It isn't being projected onto them by a third party.
Nonsense. Plenty of Muslims speak up against fundamental elements in their religion. It's not their job to police other Muslims.
The only reason anyone would want the Israeli fans to travel, after police have explicitly stated they shouldn't, is actually to see them being attacked.
Now, to what end, I don't know, perhaps they want to see Israelis attacked, perhaps they want some Muslims to do it. Either way, it's f#cked up.
Thankfully police said no. Safety comes first.
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:47 pm
Due to their poor behaviour.

Macabi Tel Aviv fans were involved in poor behaviour in Amsterdam because they were targeted by fundamentalist Muslims.

I don't need to be lectured on anything related to football. I can tell you categorically that this is an unprecedented situation.
I presume this has been posted already but just in case you missed it:
According to sources, police intelligence said:

Scores of extreme Maccabi fans with a past history of violence and shouting “racist taunts” were expected to travel to the Birmingham game.

Dutch police told their British counterparts that the Maccabi fans had instigated trouble in Amsterdam at a game last year.

They had randomly picked Muslims in Amsterdam to attack. That led to reprisal violence with some Dutch Jews attacked.

A huge Dutch police effort, involving 5,000 officers across three days, was needed to quell the trouble.

A community impact assessment by West Midlands police recorded that some Jewish people wanted the Maccabi fans banned because of the trouble that might ensue if they attended.

Any trouble started by Maccabi fans attending the Birmingham game could lead to reprisals from local people and further trouble.

The process did not consider whether the ban on fans of the Israeli club could be criticised as antisemitic itself or surrendering to antisemitism.

The ban on Maccabi fans was made by Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group. It was decided after an intelligence assessment was conducted by West Midlands police, shared with the national UK football policing unit.

The UK football policing unit is understood to have backed the conclusions reached by local police.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... a-park-ban
Nullzer0
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Bubblypop wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:59 pm No. Read the links.
The links are inadequate.

I don't support those Tel Aviv fans chanting what they chanted but there were extenuating circumstances, such as having a baying mob of Muslims gunning for them.

The real solution here is for these fundamentalist Muslims to stop seeking out confrontation with these fans.

Odd how when you go looking for trouble you end up finding it.
Bubblypop
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 12:12 am The links are inadequate.

I don't support those Tel Aviv fans chanting what they chanted but there were extenuating circumstances, such as having a baying mob of Muslims gunning for them.

The real solution here is for these fundamentalist Muslims to stop seeking out confrontation with these fans.

Odd how when you go looking for trouble you end up finding it.
The links are perfectly adequate. You don't want to read them because you just want to stick doggedly to your point. It's boring now.
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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When did we get to a point where defending violent backwards terrorist sympathizers and grooming gangs was seen as “righteous”.
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:28 pm Nothing about this is routine in football. I can't think of a single instance like this occurring in the past.
The only thing that relates to it is clubs being made to play games behind closed doors as punishment.

Right now it's Macabi Tel Aviv fans that are being told to stay away, fundamentalist Muslims in the UK tend to not be interested in football itself, maybe these loons will take issue with any football taking place next, or noise during Muslim prayer times, it could be anything.

There's a good number of Aston Villa fans who are Jewish who have more skin in the game than any of us who also see this as the thing end of the wedge also.

This horse has bolted, these fans won't be attending Villa Park and Pursuant to that there will be further threats made by these Islamic nutters on any number of issues. This is just the beginning.
This is the worrying thing - to appease these monsters more and more will be changed, we’ve already seen the PM of the UK talking to the men while women stand in the corner covered from head to foot.

This is the power Islam has with a small number of MPs, a useless tosser as London mayor and a uniquely inept Home Secretary… imagine when the numbers are doubled at the next election ?

Carnage.
Nullzer0
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Bubblypop wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:58 am The links are perfectly adequate. You don't want to read them because you just want to stick doggedly to your point. It's boring now.
A couple of pages ago you refused to acknowledge the fact that the police decision was made based on threats made by fundamentalist Muslims.

I'm telling you that while the Macabi Tel Aviv fans were engaged in chanting racist crap in Amsterdam (that I roundly condemn) it was because they were being pursued by fundamentalist Muslims, who incidentally were not Ajax fans (the club they were playing against) and who were only there with the expressed purpose of attacking Jews.

I'm confident that if you were to observe these Macabi Tel Aviv fans in an environment where they aren't being subjected to sectarian antisemitic abuse there would be no trouble from them.

You're refusing to acknowledge observable facts because it doesn't tally with your uninformed opinion.
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:43 am A couple of pages ago you refused to acknowledge the fact that the police decision was made based on threats made by fundamentalist Muslims.

I'm telling you that while the Macabi Tel Aviv fans were engaged in chanting racist crap in Amsterdam (that I roundly condemn) it was because they were being pursued by fundamentalist Muslims, who incidentally were not Ajax fans (the club they were playing against) and who were only there with the expressed purpose of attacking Jews.

I'm confident that if you were to observe these Macabi Tel Aviv fans in an environment where they aren't being subjected to sectarian antisemitic abuse there would be no trouble from them.

You're refusing to acknowledge observable facts because it doesn't tally with your uninformed opinion.
They’ve played thousands of games domestically and high dozens in Europe - never a peep, till very recently when they were religiously targeted.

Tbh I’ve been to a couple of old form derbys and it generally starts off quiet till the rangers fans start with the anti famine shite and then all bets are off.
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The anti semitic abuse dished out in spurs games was fairly horrible for an awful long time. Derogatory use of the word yid, the hissing sound the fans would make to simulate the gas chambers during the holocaust to attack spurs fans with and of course just the simple “you Jew”.

Spurs fans tried to reclaim the word yid, similar to how gay people did in the nineties with words about them. No one ever told LGBT you weren’t allowed to identify with queer, but the premier league told spurs fans they couldn’t call themselves yids.

These things don’t happen in a vacuum, one of the worst conflicts ever seen on this planet involved the systematic mass extermination of Jewish people, less than a century ago. Pogroms forced Jews out of Europe, ethnic cleansing forced the out of Africa and the middle east(apart from one small spot). Even in Ireland we told them to feck off and get out, liberal Ireland, eh? Just this year we’ve had videos go viral of “right on” people publicly attacking Jewish people and telling them to go home. Is everyone outraged? No! You had many excuse it and encourage it.

Attacks on Jewish people are on the rise worldwide everywhere, massively.

If you wear a swastika around your neck everyone will rightfully see it as support for Hitler’s imaged Jew-free thousand year reich, everyone will know the evils it represents.

On the other hand the contemporary swastika, the keffiyeh, remains draped around the heads of all the student union types. The old blood libels of drinking children’s blood have been replaced by accusations of genocide and apartheid.

If this is not a time to resolutely defend the rights of Jewish people to attend football matches then when is? Should we wait until the extermination camps get resurrected again?

Those who don’t learn from history are destined to repeat its mistakes.
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:43 am A couple of pages ago you refused to acknowledge the fact that the police decision was made based on threats made by fundamentalist Muslims.

I'm telling you that while the Macabi Tel Aviv fans were engaged in chanting racist crap in Amsterdam (that I roundly condemn) it was because they were being pursued by fundamentalist Muslims, who incidentally were not Ajax fans (the club they were playing against) and who were only there with the expressed purpose of attacking Jews.

I'm confident that if you were to observe these Macabi Tel Aviv fans in an environment where they aren't being subjected to sectarian antisemitic abuse there would be no trouble from them.

You're refusing to acknowledge observable facts because it doesn't tally with your uninformed opinion.
No I didn't . Please stop lying about my posts.
I haven't posted about Macabi Tel Aviv fans, I have no issue with them. I'm beginning to think there is a comprehension issue here.
I will say it clearly, one more, if police have decided that there shouldn't be any traveling fans, to ensure the public safety and to protect life and property, then that is good enough.
Please don't attempt to translate it into something I haven't said.
Nullzer0
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Bubblypop wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:48 pm No I didn't . Please stop lying about my posts.
I haven't posted about Macabi Tel Aviv fans, I have no issue with them. I'm beginning to think there is a comprehension issue here.
I will say it clearly, one more, if police have decided that there shouldn't be any traveling fans, to ensure the public safety and to protect life and property, then that is good enough.
Please don't attempt to translate it into something I haven't said.
You refused to acknowledge the fact that the police advised these fans to stay away because of fundamentalist Muslims making threats. You kept that up for some time as well.

The issue here isn't anything other than fundamentalist Islam.

If you can't comprehend that it's on you.
Bubblypop
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Re: Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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Nullzer0 wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 2:32 pm You refused to acknowledge the fact that the police advised these fans to stay away because of fundamentalist Muslims making threats. You kept that up for some time as well.

The issue here isn't anything other than fundamentalist Islam.

If you can't comprehend that it's on you.
No I didn't. I said if police have deemed it appropriate for travelling fans to stay away for the public peace and health and safety reasons, then that's good enough. It seems to be clear enough.
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