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Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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knownunknown
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Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

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SAG Birmingham, who issues licences for public events, have banned Tel Aviv fans from travelling to West Ham next month citing security concerns and this report from Birmingham police.

PM Keir Starmer said he is “angered by the ban” and will do “everything in his power” to overturn it.

The SAG and the police are framing this as stopping those nasty racist supporters from causing wide spread violence and destruction but there is no historic justification for such an action.

A labour councillor, Zaffar, is apparently a member of this board who was reprimanded by his own party back in 2016 for anti semitism. He also actively called for a boycott of this game back in February and declared he wouldn’t attend if it went ahead.

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It’s the right thing to do. This isn’t being done to punish the visiting fans but because there is reason to believe that the event or the visiting fans could become a target.
If the match went ahead and something did happen the outrage would be deafening.
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Jequ0n wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:59 pm It’s the right thing to do. This isn’t being done to punish the visiting fans but because there is reason to believe that the event or the visiting fans could become a target.
If the match went ahead and something did happen the outrage would be deafening.
That’s absolute nonsense and you know it.

This is bowing to their Islamist masters and giving them what they want. Sickening.
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Jequ0n wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:59 pm It’s the right thing to do. This isn’t being done to punish the visiting fans but because there is reason to believe that the event or the visiting fans could become a target.
If the match went ahead and something did happen the outrage would be deafening.
Absolutely this.
Police don't want any kind of riot situation on their hands. Stop it before it starts is 100% the way to deal with it
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Absolutely sickening alright and I'm not surprised it's happened in Birmingham since it has the largest Muslim population in the UK

This isnt a ban for fan safety, this is just antisemitism once again rearing it's ugly head in the UK. My heart goes out to the Israelis, it's only been just over 2 weeks since the Manchester synagogue attack, an attack that would send ripples across the Jewish religion and now they're fans are banned to going to the Birmingham to see their team play.
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It’s actually quite refreshing to see the idiots who have been defending Islamists and jihadis over and over again and are now all acknowledging that the can’t be trusted to behave and so people must be kept away from them.

It would be better of course if they actually punished these scumbags for their threats of violence and the police did their job and protected people.

But then Labour need their core voting base eh ? Hence why the groomimg rape gang inquiry is being ignored.
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Headshot wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:47 pm Absolutely sickening alright and I'm not surprised it's happened in Birmingham since it has the largest Muslim population in the UK

This isnt a ban for fan safety, this is just antisemitism once again rearing it's ugly head in the UK. My heart goes out to the Israelis, it's only been just over 2 weeks since the Manchester synagogue attack, an attack that would send ripples across the Jewish religion and now they're fans are banned to going to the Birmingham to see their team play.
I’m just watching the news and there’s a Jewish Villa fan who is now saying “why won’t they protect me ?” and he is right.

That odious c*** Lineker once casually threw around “it’s like 1930s Germany” when referring to perfectly normal concern about mass illegal migration and the so called “small boats” not being able to be stopped.

He was wrong - as ever - what’s happening now is, Jews are not safe and are being scapegoated for every ill.
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Villa's ground is in an area now of Birmingham that has a significant Muslim population and a petition from the area seems to have been the catalyst.

Quite the political response. Almost all major parties condemning the decision, with the exception of Corbyn's new party.
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Jequ0n wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:59 pm It’s the right thing to do. This isn’t being done to punish the visiting fans but because there is reason to believe that the event or the visiting fans could become a target.
If the match went ahead and something did happen the outrage would be deafening.
The police should do their job, no police force has better experience with dealing with this type of stuff.
You don’t cancel events just because people say they are going to attack, you increase security.

Just imagine the precedent this sets, imagine what rival fans would do if they thought their violence of threat thereof would be enough to see an away team hampered without their fans. You incentivise this sort of thing.
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Bubblypop wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:43 pm Absolutely this.
Police don't want any kind of riot situation on their hands. Stop it before it starts is 100% the way to deal with it
You could make this argument for many matches and rivalries. What makes this any different?
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It's hard to justify, even more so when many of us have been to games where away fans are corralled into grounds and then kept inside grounds after games.

UK police are good at this. Hard not to see it as pampering to local residents concerns, a large proportion who are Muslims.

Apparently premier league teams will again take the knee tomorrow. If that's true then that's embarrassing.
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Mullins wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:36 pm It's hard to justify, even more so when many of us have been to games where away fans are corralled into grounds and then kept inside grounds after games.

UK police are good at this. Hard not to see it as pampering to local residents concerns, a large proportion who are Muslims.

Apparently premier league teams will again take the knee tomorrow. If that's true then that's embarrassing.
I’ve a mate who watched Celtic play in the North on the 12th weekend a few years back.

Extra protection like but went off without an issue.

This is pandering to Muslims end of.

Imagine the number of Muslim MPs in the UK doubles given the influence that the current number have.

And we’ll be next.
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knownunknown wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:30 pm You could make this argument for many matches and rivalries. What makes this any different?
Yes, and I'm sure they do. Often times travelling supporters are banned from attending matches. In this case it's probably for their own safety as opposed to anyone else's.
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knownunknown wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:29 pm The police should do their job, no police force has better experience with dealing with this type of stuff.
You don’t cancel events just because people say they are going to attack, you increase security.

Just imagine the precedent this sets, imagine what rival fans would do if they thought their violence of threat thereof would be enough to see an away team hampered without their fans. You incentivise this sort of thing.
Sorry but you are wrong. Police can and will cancel events based on the security risks.
Police don't care about anyone's religion, they care about riots and assaults.
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Bubblypop wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:58 pm Sorry but you are wrong. Police can and will cancel events based on the security risks.
Police don't care about anyone's religion, they care about riots and assaults.
They didn’t cancel the event. They banned one team from bringing their supporters. This has never happened before, without the reasoning of punishing fans for their behaviour.
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knownunknown wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:59 pm They didn’t cancel the event. They banned one team from bringing their supporters. This has never happened before, without the reasoning of punishing fans for their behaviour.
Yes. Away fans are often banned from traveling to matches. Happens regularly.
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Bubblypop wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:03 pm Yes. Away fans are often banned from traveling to matches. Happens regularly.
You know they are banned if they do something wrong. No such accusation has been made against tel Aviv.

You’re a smart person but when you behave so intellectually dishonest it annoys people just like this.
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knownunknown wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:09 pm You know they are banned if they do something wrong. No such accusation has been made against tel Aviv.

You’re a smart person but when you behave so intellectually dishonest it annoys people just like this.
Well said.
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“When the Tel Aviv fans come to Birmingham in a few weeks, we will not show them rahma [mercy] in Birmingham.”

…..Vows Birmingham-based Islamic preacher in video.

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knownunknown wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:18 pm “When the Tel Aviv fans come to Birmingham in a few weeks, we will not show them rahma [mercy] in Birmingham.”

…..Vows Birmingham-based Islamic preacher in video.

How is that not incitement to violence???
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I quite like Gary Lineker.
That passed the time.
It would have passed in any case.
Yes, but not so rapidly
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ceannairceach wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:22 pm How is that not incitement to violence???
I think it is. They should increase security, send a stark warning to anyone who even contemplates violence before hand and be ready to arrest and throw the book at everyone who does.

The same argument is kind of being made in the US right now with the ICE protests. Starmer should just do what Trump did, send in the military, that will soon sort out the “protestors”.

Two birds one stone, lock all the lunatics up.
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Socthesecond wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:27 pm I quite like Gary Lineker.
He played for Spurs for many years, if this ban stays in effect and becomes and a new precedent, how long until Spurs fans(and their Jewish connections) won’t be allowed to visit Birmingham?
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To be honest, I hadn't thought of that.
That passed the time.
It would have passed in any case.
Yes, but not so rapidly
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knownunknown wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:09 pm You know they are banned if they do something wrong. No such accusation has been made against tel Aviv.

You’re a smart person but when you behave so intellectually dishonest it annoys people just like this.
No. Not necessarily. It happens in Europe all the time.
The risks to visiting fans in this particular game are massive. Surely you can see that?
Israeli fans are targets for everyone at this stage. Surely keeping them safe, and avoiding any issues is exactly what the police should be doing.
There is no big conspiracy. There are safety concerns, for fans and for the general public. End of.
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