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Jequ0n wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:44 pm @jmayo

“Ah seriously Jequ0n are you trying to deny the rape and murders that occurred on Oct 7th?
Are you saying it was propaganda?

BTW I have seen some try claim it was propaganda.
These are usually the types that revert to making claims about "small hats" running the world mind.
That is one thing that has put me off Gript as some of the posters that were around there were the type that engaged in holocaust denial and lauded the nazis.

I have also read comments by those, non Israelis as well, that have said they have seen video footage taken by Hamas of what was done on Oct 7th and that it is truly sickening and it shocks them how anyone can defend hamas.”

I never alleged that no violence occurred or that women didn’t get raped. I asked this has been proven as a fact because I had not seen any credible source yet.

Part of the problem is that people supporting either side get way too emotionally involved and sometimes choose to believe only sources that support their view. And in this particular case the source would have interested me more than the conflict itself.
What evidence would you accept? You have hostages raped in captivity and stories from men and women about being raped. I’d imagine not many of those raped were left to live when Hamas murdered thousands on Oct. 7th.

The first thing on the first responders mind wasn’t to swab vaginas when they saw thousands massacred and hundreds taken hostage.

Have people really an issue believing claims of rape by a gang of terrorists who have no problem abducting babies and murdering them? Have you seen any of the testimony from the released hostages?

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knownunknown wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:06 pm So if it were your family member you’d just leave them there to rot? Again no mention of the hostages or Hamas. The leadership of Palestine has told Hamas to surrender their weapons and the hostages so they are now the only obstacle to peace.

If you actually cared about the people of Palestine you’d realize this but your blind hatred of Israel is clouding what is sitting right in front of you.

The people of Palestine know what they want and it is Hamas out and they will risk their lives to shout it from the roof tops, yet we have Hamas propagandists such as yourself constantly “ but… but… Israel”.



You're the one straw-maning hard here. You're ignoring all the facts, arguments and ideas I have presented about the Israel-Palestine conflict in Gaza. I said you would be silent on those questions, and you will remain silent because those truths utterly destroy the little narrative you're trying to build. Going for a cop out, easy, emotive, low hanging fruit simpleton question that has almost zero relevance to the present day issue which is ending this war.

You're a lovely little propagandist yourself. You will never admit your blind hatred for the captive Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip. Your silence on that says it all.

I have no hatred for ordinary Israelis only for the psychopathic Zionist leadership prolonging this war and stringing everyone along, the Palestinians, the hostages, the IDF grunts, everyone. All so Netyenyahoo and the other fanatics can avoid accepting they have committed awful crimes against humanity, genocide, collective punishment, apartheid etc. against the Palestinians.

A ceasefire could be done and dusted tomorrow. There is no will from Netyenyahoo to stop this, so Hamas also has no will to stop this. The waste of Israeli soldiers' lives, Palestinian's lives, all the lives at stake in Gaza does not require all the hostages to be released. It never has.

Wiping out whole families of innocent Palestinians does nothing for Israel and only crafts an entire new generation of recruits for Hamas. Ethnically cleansing Gaza and the mass murder of the Palestinians makes the Zionist leadership into the very thing they despised. A fanatical racist government akin to the Nazis who persecuted their ancestors in Europe. The people and the state who tried the Nazi war criminal, Adolf Eichmann, in Jerusalem in 1961, have now elected a Zionist war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu, who could end up in the Hague for genocide just like Eichmann. The sad irony of that is beyond sick.
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ceannairceach wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:49 pm I know someone who has seen the GoPro videos - part of them as they could not face more than a few minutes.

Rape happened, gang rape happened, the worst violence you can imagine happened.

Jesus look what is happening in the “small boats” crossing the channel, women and girls raped WHILE FLEEING FOR THEIR LIVES (if you believe that garbage stories).

These people are largely of one faith - a vile, misogynistic death cult that should not be “recognised” as a state, but destroyed.
Very balanced view of all the human beings who follow Islam, I assume.
Again that's the insinuation isn't it, Ceannairceach? Care to actually tell us what you mean? I mean really let it all out.

You know there's 2 billion people, that follow Islam? I assume you're tarring them all with that awfully big brush stoke you did there? Then the little touch to bring it back to Palestine again with the they should not be recognized as a state thing. Again, I have to assume that unless you want to be clearer.

You do know there are many Palestinian Christians too. Should they not have a state to call home too? Just say clearly what you mean, no need to beat around the bush there with these evasive allusions, Ceannairceach.
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AnFearRéabhlóideach wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:59 pm You're the one straw-maning hard here. You're ignoring all the facts, arguments and ideas I have presented about the Israel-Palestine conflict in Gaza. I said you would be silent on those questions, and you will remain silent because those truths utterly destroy the little narrative you're trying to build. Going for a cop out, easy, emotive, low hanging fruit simpleton question that has almost zero relevance to the present day issue which is ending this war.

You're a lovely little propagandist yourself. You will never admit your blind hatred for the captive Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip. Your silence on that says it all.

I have no hatred for ordinary Israelis only for the psychopathic Zionist leadership prolonging this war and stringing everyone along, the Palestinians, the hostages, the IDF grunts, everyone. All so Netyenyahoo and the other fanatics can avoid accepting they have committed awful crimes against humanity, genocide, collective punishment, apartheid etc. against the Palestinians.

A ceasefire could be done and dusted tomorrow. There is no will from Netyenyahoo to stop this, so Hamas also has no will to stop this. The waste of Israeli soldiers' lives, Palestinian's lives, all the lives at stake in Gaza does not require all the hostages to be released. It never has.

Wiping out whole families of innocent Palestinians does nothing for Israel and only crafts an entire new generation of recruits for Hamas. Ethnically cleansing Gaza and the mass murder of the Palestinians makes the Zionist leadership into the very thing they despised. A fanatical racist government akin to the Nazis who persecuted their ancestors in Europe. The people and the state who tried the Nazi war criminal, Adolf Eichmann, in Jerusalem in 1961, have now elected a Zionist war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu, who could end up in the Hague for genocide just like Eichmann. The sad irony of that is beyond sick.
You want some facts? GHF which has been delivering aid to the Palestinian people since march people on your side have said they were firing on civilians and warning people not to get aid. The same thing Hamas has done, threatened people getting free aid with death.

This is not caring about civilians. This is about hating Israel.

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knownunknown wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 7:51 pm This is not caring about civilians. This is about hating Israel.
I have made some pretty disapproving comments on here about Israel's recent activity in Palestine, do you genuinely believe it is because I hate Israel and Israeli's?

i.e is it possible in your opinion to express some level of disapproval without being guilty of hating Israel? How does it work?
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knownunknown wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 7:51 pm You want some facts? GHF which has been delivering aid to the Palestinian people since march people on your side have said they were firing on civilians and warning people not to get aid. The same thing Hamas has done, threatened people getting free aid with death.

This is not caring about civilians. This is about hating Israel.

That's the GHF that regularly allowed the IDF to indiscriminately bomb and target Palestinian civilians in the bread queues which led to hundreds of deaths over the past year, including many children. That's along with many witnesses stating they have been deliberately ordered by IDF superiors to target Palestinian women and children at GHF depots.

https://www.trtworld.com/article/25999a7412b7

That's the GHF that has been discredited as directly taking part in a psychological warfare operation alongside the IDF to control and corral Palestinian civilians using extremely limited numbers of aid stations for 2 million starving and malnourished people to corral them as and when they so chose?

https://badil.org/press-releases/15996.html

That's the GHF that UNRWA and several other international aid agencies have called to be disbanded because it is utterly failing to prevent a famine in Gaza despite it being Israel and the IDF's responsibility to ensure the innocent population is fed. Instead, a famine has been declared and at least 440 Palestinians have starved to death or died from malnutrition along with 147 children in the past year.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/1 ... y-children

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official ... ls-end-GHF

The IDF has complete control in vast areas of Gaza. Hamas are done and have almost zero operational capacity at this point beyond hit and run skirmishes. Netyenyahoo's alleged goal of eradicating Hamas is impossible, that's according to former Israeli intelligence experts, not me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/19/worl ... -gaza.html

The suggestion you're making that Hamas can requisition or siphon aid from the GHF at this point, unmolested, in one of the most heavily watched 41x12km patches of land on Earth, with the surveillance technology and technical sophistication available to the IDF, now that is farcical. The director of the World Food Program says the Hamas stealing aid claim has been a lie propagated from the very beginning of the use of the GHF in Gaza.

https://badil.org/press-releases/15996.html

Your arguments are ringing very hollow, Knownunknown.
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schmittel wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 8:09 pm I have made some pretty disapproving comments on here about Israel's recent activity in Palestine, do you genuinely believe it is because I hate Israel and Israeli's?

i.e is it possible in your opinion to express some level of disapproval without being guilty of hating Israel? How does it work?
No I don’t believe criticism is because people hate Israel.

It’s because they finally have an excuse to openly hate Jews.
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ceannairceach wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 8:33 pm No I don’t believe criticism is because people hate Israel.

It’s because they finally have an excuse to openly hate Jews.
That does seem to be it.
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knownunknown wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:59 pm What evidence would you accept? You have hostages raped in captivity and stories from men and women about being raped. I’d imagine not many of those raped were left to live when Hamas murdered thousands on Oct. 7th.

The first thing on the first responders mind wasn’t to swab vaginas when they saw thousands massacred and hundreds taken hostage.

Have people really an issue believing claims of rape by a gang of terrorists who have no problem abducting babies and murdering them? Have you seen any of the testimony from the released hostages?

Good question. If I’m honest I probably wouldn’t believe anyone if the only evidence was their word. But that applies consistently for all people, before anyone throws around accusations. It doesn’t mean that I disbelieve anyone, but that I am not convinced either way because blind belief is as toxic as blind disbelief.

Those testimonies in the video don’t work on me. I find them pointless but I don’t mind if other people see them differently.
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ceannairceach wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 8:33 pm No I don’t believe criticism is because people hate Israel.

It’s because they finally have an excuse to openly hate Jews.
Finally we have an excuse to openly hate Jews?!

I didn't give Israel or Jewish people too much thought up until about early 2024, certainly didn't have strong opinions on them either way.

And apparently I am now a rampant anti-semite? And it's my fault because I had been secretly awaiting an excuse to unleash my hatred on Jews?

Surely you can see how ridiculous that is?

Could you acknowledge that it is even possible that the events of the last 18 months or so might have influenced the increasing global anti-Israel sentiment?
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ceannairceach wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 8:33 pm No I don’t believe criticism is because people hate Israel.

It’s because they finally have an excuse to openly hate Jews.
How long ago was it you insinuated you hate all followers of Islam? Less than 2 or 3 hours ago?

That would seem to smell of hypocrisy no? For someone to seem to hate an entire religious group with blanket accusations and then later accuse others of hating on another different religious group with zero evidence offered to back up that accusation either?

I wouldn't let an individual like that have a bag of rocks in a glass house. They might break every single pane of glass in the joint.
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For the avoidance of doubt (Guburnator I saw the message before logging in - took your advice!)

I abhor Islam and everything it purports to stand for. It was founded by a warmongering paedophile and every tenet of its “Holy” book is centered around murder, destruction and violence. The reason I loathe its followers is that the cult holds no option to leave - apostates are to be killed.

You ask why people hate (their word when we really know what they mean) “Zionists” and they’ll wax lyrical about injustices and killings and some nonsense about starving children (whilst conveniently omitting that Hamas have taken almost every penny of funding given to Gaza and uses it for tunnels, and rockets and guns. Oh my.

If you were truly angry at a large power killing innocents, protest the famine in Yemen; protest the killings in Sudan - hell, march on the Indian embassy where more children are victims of caste based sexual violence each day than we care to think of.

But no, wear your stupid little scarves and use your Zionist euphemism. We know where you are coming from.

You don’t have an issue with the tenets of Judaism. You just are no different from 1933’s views. I imagine many have family who were just delighted de Valera offered condolences to them on the suicide of Hitler.
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Jequ0n wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 9:02 pm Good question. If I’m honest I probably wouldn’t believe anyone if the only evidence was their word. But that applies consistently for all people, before anyone throws around accusations. It doesn’t mean that I disbelieve anyone, but that I am not convinced either way because blind belief is as toxic as blind disbelief.

Those testimonies in the video don’t work on me. I find them pointless but I don’t mind if other people see them differently.
Their are people who saw a hugely obese Gazan “health minister” complain there was a famine and lapped up every word, much like he had with his fourth breakfast of the day.
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ceannairceach wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:41 am For the avoidance of doubt (Guburnator I saw the message before logging in - took your advice!)

I abhor Islam and everything it purports to stand for. It was founded by a warmongering paedophile and every tenet of its “Holy” book is centered around murder, destruction and violence. The reason I loathe its followers is that the cult holds no option to leave - apostates are to be killed.

You ask why people hate (their word when we really know what they mean) “Zionists” and they’ll wax lyrical about injustices and killings and some nonsense about starving children (whilst conveniently omitting that Hamas have taken almost every penny of funding given to Gaza and uses it for tunnels, and rockets and guns. Oh my.

If you were truly angry at a large power killing innocents, protest the famine in Yemen; protest the killings in Sudan - hell, march on the Indian embassy where more children are victims of caste based sexual violence each day than we care to think of.

But no, wear your stupid little scarves and use your Zionist euphemism. We know where you are coming from.

You don’t have an issue with the tenets of Judaism. You just are no different from 1933’s views. I imagine many have family who were just delighted de Valera offered condolences to them on the suicide of Hitler.
Hamas are, (wait for this now I know it'll blow your mind because there seems to be a point where a good few posters here glaze over and selectively go blind when reading most of what I've written in my previous posts), a terrorist organization who committed atrocities on October 7th.

That's at least the 5th or 6th time I have said Hamas are part of the problem as much as Netyenyahoo and the cadre of war criminals in the short time I've been here. Read my posts again if you don't believe me. It's all there.

See I do actually sympathise with the victims of Hamas terror. I openly can say October 7th was an atrocity. But, not once so far have I seen you sympathise with the victims of Zionist state terror, the Palestinians being bombed, maimed, starved and cleansed from their homes again. Just like in 1947/48 and again with the first Nakba and in 1967 with the second Nakba. This is the third Nakba by Zionism against the Palestinians in their homeland.

Everything is extremes with you. Do yo know Netyenyahoo and the boys funneled money into Hamas for years both directly themselves and indirectly via Qatar? You probably do know that but you choose to ignore that for a particular discriminatory and racist agenda that you have put out for all to see above.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years ... our-faces/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/worl ... hamas.html

Why did Netyenyahoo help Hamas for years? It's because Hamas are one side of the extreme and Likud and the other Zionist reactionary parties are the other side. They need each other. Likud used Hamas to keep down the moderates in the West Bank like Fatah and Abbas by dividing and ruling the two Palestinian territories.

Hamas are the bogeyman that Netyenyahoo and his allies used as a stick to beat and drill fear into the Israeli population for decades now. When that all blew up in their face on October 7th, the years of desperate oppression, apartheid and use of extremism by Israel, particularly in Gaza was definitely a factor that contributed to October 7th.

This unholy relationship was known about over 2 decades ago when Netyenyahoo and Likud deliberately derailed the Israeli/Palestinian peace process. Here an article from 1995 discussing this unholy alliance between Likud and Hamas:

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/11/opin ... ction.html

Finally, your last point that's very rich, no? You claiming my views match something from 1933, another little insinuation. Hitler and the Nazi's rise to power right? The display you gave above is straight from the book of Nazi genocidal dehumanisation. You dehumanise Palestinians and Muslims with lies and propaganda. Lies and propaganda were the first step on the road to the Holocaust for the poor Jewish population of Europe.

First, the Nazis dehumanised and belittled the European Jews as subhumans. Later, once the Nazis had brainwashed enough Germans with their lies, then it became all to easy, to shoot, murder or send those poor Jewish human beings to the gas chambers. Mass murder was the last step on that sick path that started with dehumanising propaganda.

You think those Palestinian human beings are subhuman, just like Netyenyahoo, Smotrich and other Zionists have done in Israel for decades with the Palestinians. The same Nazi tactics of dehumanisation were employed by the Zionists against the innocent Palestinian population. That's how genocide happened in Gaza. No difference whatsoever from the Nazis. That's who Netyenyahoo and the boys will be compared with in decades to come.
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ceannairceach wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:45 am Their are people who saw a hugely obese Gazan “health minister” complain there was a famine and lapped up every word, much like he had with his fourth breakfast of the day.
Any links there? No, that's great. Itamar Ben-Gvir looks like he's fairly fond of eating all the pies himself.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-eu-fir ... tatements/

Maybe they should put him into Gaza and put him on that GHF diet that 2 million Palestinians are on? He'd be a new man in no time.

Failing that, a good long spell in prison in the Hague might do the trick. A strictly controlled regimen of 1 hour guaranteed exercise each day in the prison yard and 3 prison meals a day could do him wonders.
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ceannairceach wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:45 am Their are people who saw a hugely obese Gazan “health minister” complain there was a famine and lapped up every word, much like he had with his fourth breakfast of the day.
Well at least those beheaded babies weren’t wasted.
On a serious note. I did not mean to have a go at you personally in my previous posts. My comments general remarks.
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Jequ0n wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 5:20 pm Well at least those beheaded babies weren’t wasted.
On a serious note. I did not mean to have a go at you personally in my previous posts. My comments general remarks.
Absolutely not taken that way at all!

Thanks!
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South Park have their say. Nail on the head as usual.

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Meanwhile in reality.

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knownunknown wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 1:18 am Meanwhile in reality.

Man in the street interviews are beyond useless for getting a fair or balanced representation of anything. Loaded questions, selective interviews and framing of the issue in whatever light you desire leads to questionable results at best.

Perhaps this Corey Gil-Shuster chap isn't biased. That's unlikely though given he's an Israeli-Canadian YouTuber whose been doing these 'gotcha' Charlie Kirk esque vox pops for over a decade now where he decides what gets published and what doesn't for years now.

He might ask 100 people, 90 of whom were somewhat middle of the road and then he gets 10 headbangers calling for the destruction of Israel. If he wants to, he can just post the interviews with the headbangers. Or he can cut the videos to make someone half reasonable look like a headbanger, he's the producer, only he knows if he's giving a fair share of 'reality'.

If he really wanted a fair appraisal, a survey of questions where the respondent is doing it in the knowledge that it'll be taken anonymously, is the only fair way to get even a half decent representation of the reality without prejudicing it by butting in and asking questions i.e putting pressure on people.

Also it's beyond stupid asking anyone in the middle of a genocide and war against their people questions like this. "What's your take on the 2 state solution?", when thousands have died. The chances of getting angry intolerant responses is naturally going to increase in that atmosphere. If I went around Tel Aviv, asking Israeli people about a 2 state solution in the direct aftermath of say October 7th or even now with IDF soldiers being shot and killed daily, many would naturally respond in an intolerant manner and say things like "in no way do we want peace with those people". So this video is a waste of time. Make a ceasefire, give it about 50 years of peace and you'll see the headbanger rate on all sides drop exponentially.
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knownunknown wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 1:18 am Meanwhile in reality.

I’m sure the Pro_Hamas lobby will soon be along to tell you some nonsense that they are minority views.

They’re not, my mate is currently trying not to strangle a colleague who is campaigning for several wee Jewish children to be banned from coming to Ireland to play basketball. Ffs let the bitterness go a d stop taking your petty little fight out on kids.
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ceannairceach wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 11:03 am I’m sure the Pro_Hamas lobby will soon be along to tell you some nonsense that they are minority views.

They’re not, my mate is currently trying not to strangle a colleague who is campaigning for several wee Jewish children to be banned from coming to Ireland to play basketball. Ffs let the bitterness go a d stop taking your petty little fight out on kids.
Tell that one to the, at least, 20,000 Palestinian children that have been in Gaza since this genocide began.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/ga ... every-hour

Who gives a toss about Israeli sports teams against that fact. They have to be made to understand, through boycotts, divesting and sanctions that their nation is run by fanatics intent on turning Israel into a pariah state and destroying the futures of those Israeli children playing basketball.

Netyenyahoo got up in front of the UN General Assembly yesterday and cleared the place faster than a dose of the plague. No one believes the lies and propaganda coming out of Israel anymore except hardened Zionists or fawning fantasists like their Yank cheerleaders in the White House.

https://www.youtube.com/live/3kJSbEhGeB ... jWkRgQWfPl

He repeated the lies about October 7th again yesterday in that speech, the burnt/beheaded babies, the mass rapes. Tried to pretend this wasn't genocide when every international organization and even organisations within Israel itself are calling it out as genocide. Netyenyahoo should get used to putting up those defences on the stand. He'll need when him and all the other Zionist nuts running Israel are up in front of the International Criminal Court at the Hague.
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AnFearRéabhlóideach wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:01 am Man in the street interviews are beyond useless for getting a fair or balanced representation of anything. Loaded questions, selective interviews and framing of the issue in whatever light you desire leads to questionable results at best.

Perhaps this Corey Gil-Shuster chap isn't biased. That's unlikely though given he's an Israeli-Canadian YouTuber whose been doing these 'gotcha' Charlie Kirk esque vox pops for over a decade now where he decides what gets published and what doesn't for years now.

He might ask 100 people, 90 of whom were somewhat middle of the road and then he gets 10 headbangers calling for the destruction of Israel. If he wants to, he can just post the interviews with the headbangers. Or he can cut the videos to make someone half reasonable look like a headbanger, he's the producer, only he knows if he's giving a fair share of 'reality'.

If he really wanted a fair appraisal, a survey of questions where the respondent is doing it in the knowledge that it'll be taken anonymously, is the only fair way to get even a half decent representation of the reality without prejudicing it by butting in and asking questions i.e putting pressure on people.

Also it's beyond stupid asking anyone in the middle of a genocide and war against their people questions like this. "What's your take on the 2 state solution?", when thousands have died. The chances of getting angry intolerant responses is naturally going to increase in that atmosphere. If I went around Tel Aviv, asking Israeli people about a 2 state solution in the direct aftermath of say October 7th or even now with IDF soldiers being shot and killed daily, many would naturally respond in an intolerant manner and say things like "in no way do we want peace with those people". So this video is a waste of time. Make a ceasefire, give it about 50 years of peace and you'll see the headbanger rate on all sides drop exponentially.
You understand that when the Palestinian people had the choice to vote they voted for Hamas, not fatah. Do you know what the difference between these two parties was? Fatah was secular, they believed in elections and the right of Israel to exist. That was the sticking point for Hamas, they refused to ever accept Israel’s right to exist, that’s why they suffered from international blockades. “Death to jews” is what got them elected.

You can call this loaded questions, taken out of context, highly edited, blah blah blah but every interview of these people say the same thing, they want Israel to disappear and take every part of the land, from the river to the sea. You willfully ignoring this does not make it untrue.

Many on the far right see this recent recognition of Palestine as legitimizing Israel, just like many Palestinians in the interviews. Do you believe in Israel’s right to exist? Because the Palestinians of Gaza by and large don’t. The far right and the far left hold exactly the same position on this matter, Israel shouldn’t exist and 8million Jews living there should be turned into fish food. What do you think?
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AnFearRéabhlóideach wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:01 am
Perhaps this Corey Gil-Shuster chap isn't biased. That's unlikely though given he's an Israeli-Canadian YouTuber whose been doing these 'gotcha' Charlie Kirk esque vox pops for over a decade now where he decides what gets published and what doesn't for years now.
Charlie Kirk didn’t do “gotcha” type interviews. You are uninformed and incorrect. Maybe if you listened to a Jew now and again you might have a more balanced depiction of reality. They’re not all evil and to be ignored. He’s also half Canadian.
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Re: Israel and Palestine

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knownunknown wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 1:24 pm You understand that when the Palestinian people had the choice to vote they voted for Hamas, not fatah. Do you know what the difference between these two parties was? Fatah was secular, they believed in elections and the right of Israel to exist. That was the sticking point for Hamas, they refused to ever accept Israel’s right to exist, that’s why they suffered from international blockades. “Death to jews” is what got them elected.

You can call this loaded questions, taken out of context, highly edited, blah blah blah but every interview of these people say the same thing, they want Israel to disappear and take every part of the land, from the river to the sea. You willfully ignoring this does not make it untrue.

Many on the far right see this recent recognition of Palestine as legitimizing Israel, just like many Palestinians in the interviews. Do you believe in Israel’s right to exist? Because the Palestinians of Gaza by and large don’t. The far right and the far left hold exactly the same position on this matter, Israel shouldn’t exist and 8million Jews living there should be turned into fish food. What do you think?
Exactly - that is why when idiots like Starmer etc are recognizing this shithole as a “state” you are recognizing terrorist supporters.

A free choice between peace and war ? A two state solution or an unwinnable war ? They chose Hamas.

Fck them all.
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