IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[Jequ0n]

What sort of cultural differences could there be? The father is Irish.

Don’t be absurd. It is perfectly reasonable to mistake a small child for a turnip.

[NattyO]

What sort of cultural differences could there be? The father is Irish.

Is he Irish or “Irish”

Weren’t you claiming the mother was Irish on here as well? Even after it was in the papers that she was African?

[Bubblypop]

Is he Irish or “Irish”

Weren’t you claiming the mother was Irish on here as well? Even after it was in the papers that she was African?

Nope. I never said that. Go back and check. The father of the child is Irish. I have no idea what 'irish' is?

[NattyO]

Ireland is so out of step with international norms on asylum at this stage, that even Ruvendrini Menikdiwela, the wildly pro-immigrant UNHCR assistant commissioner for protection is practically begging us to cop on.
During a press conference she repeatedly mentioned the need for deportations to an Irish Times journalist.

“People who have been through an effective asylum process, and have been rejected as a result of that process, the governments concerned have every right to return these people. That is certainly not something we are opposed to. In fact, that is something we actively encourage in order to maintain the integrity of the asylum process.”

Could she be any clearer?

She also said “There’s not much point having an asylum process to determine who is in need of international protection and allowing those people who are rejected to just remain in the country,”

When one of the most pro-refugee people in one of the most pro-refugee organisations on the planet is telling us we have open borders, perhaps it’s time we listened.

[ceannairceach]

Is he Irish or “Irish”

Weren’t you claiming the mother was Irish on here as well? Even after it was in the papers that she was African?

Irish - me, generations of heritage; a genuine love for the country (most of the time), born outside the country but held citizenship from birth (thanks Dad!) and lived here and paid taxes for decades.

Cf most of you.

“Irish” - rarely a legitimate reason to be here initially, passports handed out like sweets, rarely contribute, constantly take, disparage the country on a regular basis unless we’re paying for everything…

Cf “Dr” Ebun Joseph and her ilk.

[NattyO]

Irish - me, generations of heritage; a genuine love for the country (most of the time), born outside the country but held citizenship from birth (thanks Dad!) and lived here and paid taxes for decades.

Cf most of you.

“Irish” - rarely a legitimate reason to be here initially, passports handed out like sweets, rarely contribute, constantly take, disparage the country on a regular basis unless we’re paying for everything…

Cf “Dr” Ebun Joseph and her ilk.

Don’t forget Abdullah Khan, the guy who stabbed a guard on Capel street. He is so “Irish” that the Journal did an entire “fact check” article “debunking far right claims” that he was anything but as Irish as coddle and glenroe.

[NewBroom]

State broadcaster doing their best to build up a 'luvvy duvvy' profile of the family of the Aruebose child. Sure God help them.

In reality, this family have totally ignored the social and legal norms that we expect in Ireland around death. Then allegedly continued to claim child support benefits for years, quite illegally and have been stealing from the state.

If the father turns out to be an Irish citizen, let them be prosecuted and jailed if they return. The mother - straight deportation.

No point in trying to get the stolen money back. Cremate the remains and return to family.

An immediate investigation to find out how much child benefit fraud is ongoing and stop it in it's tracks. Anyone found guilty of breaches, instant deportation.

[NattyO]

State broadcaster doing their best to build up a 'luvvy duvvy' profile of the family of the Aruebose child. Sure God help them.

In reality, this family have totally ignored the social and legal norms that we expect in Ireland around death. Then allegedly continued to claim child support benefits for years, quite illegally and have been stealing from the state.

If the father turns out to be an Irish citizen, let them be prosecuted and jailed if they return. The mother - straight deportation.

No point in trying to get the stolen money back. Cremate the remains and return to family.

An immediate investigation to find out how much child benefit fraud is ongoing and stop it in it's tracks. Anyone found guilty of breaches, instant deportation.

Interesting that the Irish Times are stating today that the crimes in question are "not regarded as serious enough in legislation to warrant the extradition of a suspect from another country. This could hamper the Garda investigation as one person of interest is abroad" - this sounds to me like they are prepping the public for the mother to be let off scot-free, and the blame put on the far-away Irish (or "Irish") father, knowing they won't ever have to prosecute him. This leaves everyone off the hook, and no awkward questions to be answered.

[NattyO]

Micheál Martin in the Dail this week: “For the first time ever now, we’re back to pre-famine population on the island of Ireland, that’s a positive"

Meanwhile, in the real world:

More than 700,000 on acute hospital waiting lists - https://www.imt.ie/news/more-than-70000 ... 1-10-2024/

Ireland faces stark GP crisis as new report shows numbers of doctors 'critically low' - https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/nati ... y-low.html

Three out of four parents unable to secure spots at oversubscribed secondary schools - https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/educ ... re-places/

Ireland’s housing crisis is making a third of residents consider moving to a more affordable country - https://fortune.com/europe/article/excl ... e-country/

Homeless numbers hit new record high of 15,915 - https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025 ... -of-15915/

Record 5,000 children now homeless in Ireland - https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41696072.html

The Central Bank is calling it - the government is not going to hit its housing target - https://www.thejournal.ie/government-ho ... 1-Sep2025/

We've all discussed the immigration crisis in detail here, but I have a question, one that I can't answer, but perhaps somebody else can - with all the overwhelming evidence that this country is in absolute crisis, with social and economic structures breaking down due to our inability to cope with the size of our population, why is the Taoiseach lying about it being a good thing, and why is he insisting on keeping the door open to anyone that wants to come here? What is in it for him?

[Headshot]

Was listening to the leaders questions and SH saying more Palestinians students on the way to Ireland.

Free education
Free housing

Everything on a silver platter

I fecking hate the unfairness of this all, we're just 2nd class citizens in their eyes

[knownunknown]

Was listening to the leaders questions and SH saying more Palestinians students on the way to Ireland.

Free education
Free housing

Everything on a silver platter

I fecking hate the unfairness of this all, we're just 2nd class citizens in their eyes

It’s only charity if you reach into your own pocket and help someone. Charity isn’t forcing other people to pay for this.

I saw a recent interview with Mark Cuban, where he is asked, should America fund Ukraine? He said yes they should and he has Ukrainian heritage, but when asked how much does he personally donate to Ukraine the answer was zero.

It’s easy spending someone else’s money.

[jmayo]

It absolute sickens me these boats are allowed to get any where near Europe, our boarder security is just beyond a joke and any NGO ship helping this people trafficking should be financially destroyed

Is financially destroyed a euphenism for torpedoed ?

[Dubit10]

Was listening to the leaders questions and SH saying more Palestinians students on the way to Ireland.

Free education
Free housing

Everything on a silver platter

I fecking hate the unfairness of this all, we're just 2nd class citizens in their eyes

It's absolutely ridiculous. I'm breaking my bollox to get my youngest through college paying for everything through the nose only for her to more than likely follow her sister to Australia because she won't be able to afford to live here. It's so unfair. Why isn't there any politicians speaking on my behalf? It's just not right and i find myself increasingly angry at the situation now. If i have grandkids i may never see them grow up whilst Mohammad or whoever can bring his whole family over and watch them grow in his council house.

[jmayo]

Micheál Martin in the Dail this week: “For the first time ever now, we’re back to pre-famine population on the island of Ireland, that’s a positive"

Meanwhile, in the real world:

More than 700,000 on acute hospital waiting lists - https://www.imt.ie/news/more-than-70000 ... 1-10-2024/

Ireland faces stark GP crisis as new report shows numbers of doctors 'critically low' - https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/nati ... y-low.html

Three out of four parents unable to secure spots at oversubscribed secondary schools - https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/educ ... re-places/

Ireland’s housing crisis is making a third of residents consider moving to a more affordable country - https://fortune.com/europe/article/excl ... e-country/

Homeless numbers hit new record high of 15,915 - https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025 ... -of-15915/

Record 5,000 children now homeless in Ireland - https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41696072.html

The Central Bank is calling it - the government is not going to hit its housing target - https://www.thejournal.ie/government-ho ... 1-Sep2025/

We've all discussed the immigration crisis in detail here, but I have a question, one that I can't answer, but perhaps somebody else can - with all the overwhelming evidence that this country is in absolute crisis, with social and economic structures breaking down due to our inability to cope with the size of our population, why is the Taoiseach lying about it being a good thing, and why is he insisting on keeping the door open to anyone that wants to come here? What is in it for him?

WEF brownie points.
The MNCs based here will be happy and we can be held up as how great globalisation is.

The thing is the house of cards comes crashing down, even for the morons in NGOs, the media, the me-feiners doing alright at the moment and not dependent on public services, when we have an economic downturn.

Then the shyte hits the fan.

BTW all you folks quoting Irish Independent & Immigrant Times, I do hope you are not paying a single cent towards them?

Also just to show how the ground is shifting elsewhere. GBNews is now most popular in UK.
They have passed BBC and Sky.
It just shows how people are giving up on the old media that have been feeding them shyte that goes against the very things people are witnessing in their daily lives.

[NattyO]

WEF brownie points.
The MNCs based here will be happy and we can be held up as how great globalisation is.

The thing is the house of cards comes crashing down, even for the morons in NGOs, the media, the me-feiners doing alright at the moment and not dependent on public services, when we have an economic downturn.

Then the shyte hits the fan.

BTW all you folks quoting Irish Independent & Immigrant Times, I do hope you are paying a single cent towards them?

Also just to show how the ground is shifting elsewhere. GBNews is now most popular in UK.
They have passed BBC and Sky.
It just shows how people are giving up on the old media that have been feeding them shyte that goes against the very things people are witnessing in their daily lives.

I'm dubious that it's just for brownie points for the WEF/EU or whoever - he seems absolutely dedicated to open borders, and, as someone in the twilight of his career, that already has a substantial nest egg built up, it just seems strange that he would be so committed to destroying his country for something so ephemeral. As for the MNC angle, I could understand if it were hordes of educated people ready to work, but the vast majority of those coming in will never darken the door of a MNC, and since the decision makers in those countries barely know Ireland exists (I was one in a meeting with executives from a household name MNC in California, one that has a huge presence here, and when they heard I was Irish, they asked various questions - including what part of the UK Ireland was in, and "Ireland - that's the place with the golf and the castles and the kilts, right?") it seems unlikely they would be following the news here closely enough to know or care.
There surely has to be some compelling reason why a man who has spent his life in politics would put such dedication into destroying his country.

On the paying for newspapers thing - I paid for the Irish times for over 30 years, first as a daily reader of the paper version, and then as a subscriber to the online version. After threatening to cancel numerous times, their coverage of the mass immigration protests about a year ago was the straw that finally broke the camels back for me, and I finally cancelled. I now use the Remove Paywalls thing to read it.

[jmayo]

I'm dubious that it's just for brownie points for the WEF/EU or whoever - he seems absolutely dedicated to open borders, and, as someone in the twilight of his career, that already has a substantial nest egg built up, it just seems strange that he would be so committed to destroying his country for something so ephemeral. As for the MNC angle, I could understand if it were hordes of educated people ready to work, but the vast majority of those coming in will never darken the door of a MNC, and since the decision makers in those countries barely know Ireland exists (I was one in a meeting with executives from a household name MNC in California, one that has a huge presence here, and when they heard I was Irish, they asked various questions - including what part of the UK Ireland was in, and "Ireland - that's the place with the golf and the castles and the kilts, right?") it seems unlikely they would be following the news here closely enough to know or care.
There surely has to be some compelling reason why a man who has spent his life in politics would put such dedication into destroying his country.

On the paying for newspapers thing - I paid for the Irish times for over 30 years, first as a daily reader of the paper version, and then as a subscriber to the online version. After threatening to cancel numerous times, their coverage of the mass immigration protests about a year ago was the straw that finally broke the camels back for me, and I finally cancelled. I now use the Remove Paywalls thing to read it.

My point about MNCs is the level of power that certain MNCs now wield is unbelievable.
It is back to the days of the US robber barons type of thing.

Globalisation is all about the bottom line and ultimately power, which is achieved by control.
Control of resources and that is most easily achieved and ensured through control of the people.

MNCs have been doing it for decades in the likes of Africa where if the people are at each others throats they are too busy to bother looking at how everything is owned by someone else, some MNC and very rich connected folks.
The first time sometimes comes along and starts talking about redistribution of the wealth from the resources they meet a sticky end.

I believe the cat was let out of the bag by our own Sutherland when he stated that they wanted to end the idea of European states. The EU have been doing their damnedest to achieve this as it is reverting to the goal of it's founders, i.e. a federal Europe with little power with the people.

This ideal has been hijacked by those that want a corporatocracy or corpocracy i.e. the mega rich modern MNCs.

Notice one huge difference between the modern mega MNCs and the old fashioned ones engaged in the old industries?
The old ones paid some taxes in their home countries. The likes of GE, GM, Ford, Daimler Benz, FIAT, Siemens, Nestle, Coca Cola, IBM paid sizable taxes in comparison to the modern mega ones that pay mickie mouse taxes using tax havens and loopholes.

[NattyO]

My point about MNCs is the level of power that certain MNCs now wield is unbelievable.
It is back to the days of the US robber barons type of thing.

Globalisation is all about the bottom line and ultimately power, which is achieved by control.
Control of resources and that is most easily achieved and ensured through control of the people.

MNCs have been doing it for decades in the likes of Africa where if the people are at each others throats they are too busy to bother looking at how everything is owned by someone else, some MNC and very rich connected folks.
The first time sometimes comes along and starts talking about redistribution of the wealth from the resources they meet a sticky end.

I believe the cat was let out of the bag by our own Sutherland when he stated that they wanted to end the idea of European states. The EU have been doing their damnedest to achieve this as it is reverting to the goal of it's founders, i.e. a federal Europe with little power with the people.

This ideal has been hijacked by those that want a corporatocracy or corpocracy i.e. the mega rich modern MNCs.

Notice one huge difference between the modern mega MNCs and the old fashioned ones engaged in the old industries?
The old ones paid some taxes in their home countries. The likes of GE, GM, Ford, Daimler Benz, FIAT, Siemens, Nestle, Coca Cola, IBM paid sizable taxes in comparison to the modern mega ones that pay mickie mouse taxes using tax havens and loopholes.

You are so correct about the difference between modern MNS's and the older (mainly manufacturing) MNC's - where, decades ago, those companies invested heavily in the countries they entered, built huge factories, employed entire families, often multiple generations, and paid their taxes without complaint. The difference with modern MNC's is that many of those older companies were run by families, and they often had multi-generational plans in mind. The current crop are run by accountants, for the short-term benefit of anonymous shareholders, and rarely think beyond the next quarters bonus. Old companies had heritage and reputation to think about as well as profits, modern MNC's are watching live graphs of their share price, and care about little else. This is something the "we can't upset the MNC's by treating Ireland as a country not a tax dodge" crowd don't realise - the moment Google, Facebook, Amazon et al get a better deal elsewhere, they'll be gone, like all the fabric manufacturers quit Ireland over the space of a year or two in the 80's.

[jmayo]

You are so correct about the difference between modern MNS's and the older (mainly manufacturing) MNC's - where, decades ago, those companies invested heavily in the countries they entered, built huge factories, employed entire families, often multiple generations, and paid their taxes without complaint. The difference with modern MNC's is that many of those older companies were run by families, and they often had multi-generational plans in mind. The current crop are run by accountants, for the short-term benefit of anonymous shareholders, and rarely think beyond the next quarters bonus. Old companies had heritage and reputation to think about as well as profits, modern MNC's are watching live graphs of their share price, and care about little else. This is something the "we can't upset the MNC's by treating Ireland as a country not a tax dodge" crowd don't realise - the moment Google, Facebook, Amazon et al get a better deal elsewhere, they'll be gone, like all the fabric manufacturers quit Ireland over the space of a year or two in the 80's.

I have spent all my working life with software and for the most part I absolutely detest the major software companies.
The likes of Microsoft in particular have created the template of firstly what a modern software company is and laterally what a modern MNC is.
The later additions like Apple, Oracle, Google, Facebook and Amazon have only just added to that template.

There is a drive to continously release new product, even if it is often ill thought out, ill developed and not fit for purpose.
It is Microsoft in particular that drove this and it is up to the customer i.e. the user to find and often resolve issues or as the fookers once labelled them "features".

Where was this model before, where was it a case that a manufacturer sold a product that it was up to the customer to fix bad design, bad build issues.
It might have happened once, but customers walked away and manufacturers soon start copping on it was not a long term operating model.

But no in software it has become the norm.

Worse still that model has been taken up by car manufacturers, white good manufacturers and worst example of all has been Boeing.

The Boeing 737 Max MCAS debacle was down to Boeing choosing to put in software like it was a PC application.
Ill thought out, ill tested, not documented.

Yes the other modern phenomenon mentioned above about accountants only valuing shareholder returns played a role in Boeing moving production to non-unionised cheaper labour in North Carolina, in firing inspectors and coming up with half baked systems to monitor quality also played a part in Boeing now building planes that sometimes have bits falling off (see Alaska airline incident and probably Ethiopian airlines crash).


The other thing that has come out of the software MNCs (again led by Microsoft) is the concept of subscription services.
They just love the cloud for that simple reason.
And car companies have adopted this tying in customers, first with PCP and laterally pushing people to EVs with limited battery lifetimes.
Sure you can trade in for new one.

And the fooking greens tax us for consumption, when it is the MNCs that should be taxed more for making planned obsolescent products.

Monsanto pioneered this in agriculture in the states where their genetically modified seed is only good for one year and you need to keep oging back to them.
Ever join the dots and wonder why governments now (with backing of major MNC connected types like Gates) are pushing family farmers more and more.
They want them gone so that our food is produced by corporations.

[NattyO]

The gardai and government must be feeling the public pressure over the farcical nature of the Daniel Aruebose “investigation” not only is there a cringing “letter to the editor” in the Irish Times on how wonderful the Garda approach is, there’s also a press release - style article claiming that the softly, softly approach to date was all a clever ruse, and from now on the gardai are actually going to start asking questions:

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/20 ... e-inquiry/

“Now that remains have been located, the strategy of taking a conciliatory approach towards persons of interest – because they were helping gardaí pinpoint the burial ground – has run its course. Much more robust investigative tactics are planned”

Somebody has realised that allowing a woman to (possibly) kill her child, dump him in a field, and scam social welfare for years just because she’s African is inclined to make the natives a little restless.

[jmayo]

The gardai and government must be feeling the public pressure over the farcical nature of the Daniel Aruebose “investigation” not only is there a cringing “letter to the editor” in the Irish Times on how wonderful the Garda approach is, there’s also a press release - style article claiming that the softly, softly approach to date was all a clever ruse, and from now on the gardai are actually going to start asking questions:

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/20 ... e-inquiry/

“Now that remains have been located, the strategy of taking a conciliatory approach towards persons of interest – because they were helping gardaí pinpoint the burial ground – has run its course. Much more robust investigative tactics are planned”

Somebody has realised that allowing a woman to (possibly) kill her child, dump him in a field, and scam social welfare for years just because she’s African is inclined to make the natives a little restless.

Much like the slaughter of that poor girl Iryna Zarutska in the USA has being handled by mainstream media, and not taken up by the modern leftist clowns who normally run with these incidents, the participants in this case dictate how it is covered and how vocal and robust the protests are.

Imagine the outcry and the gnashing of teeth there would be in media if it was some, you know, working class ill educated backwards Irish that had carried this out.

Likewise in the states there is fook all condemnation about the fact that the train with only black people, a couple of them women, ignored a stabbed and dying young girl.
Just imagine the riots and the fooking wailing in the media if it had been a black girl slaughtered by a white guy and a carriage with just white people ignored her as she died.

The fooking comments on likes of Tiktok making excuses for those sorry examples of people, particularly the two women who looked at a stabbed girl and just ignored her walking away, says a lot more about the modern left.

[NewBroom]

Somebody has realised that allowing a woman to (possibly) kill her child, dump him in a field, and scam social welfare for years just because she’s African is inclined to make the natives a little restless.

It's a mystery why this story has dominated the state media for as long as it has. Just give the remains a decent burial and f*** the perpetrator out of the country.

[ceannairceach]

Much like the slaughter of that poor girl Iryna Zarutska in the USA has being handled by mainstream media, and not taken up by the modern leftist clowns who normally run with these incidents, the participants in this case dictate how it is covered and how vocal and robust the protests are.

Imagine the outcry and the gnashing of teeth there would be in media if it was some, you know, working class ill educated backwards Irish that had carried this out.

Likewise in the states there is fook all condemnation about the fact that the train with only black people, a couple of them women, ignored a stabbed and dying young girl.
Just imagine the riots and the fooking wailing in the media if it had been a black girl slaughtered by a white guy and a carriage with just white people ignored her as she died.

The fooking comments on likes of Tiktok making excuses for those sorry examples of people, particularly the two women who looked at a stabbed girl and just ignored her walking away, says a lot more about the modern left.

Some of the reactions in the US about the slaughter of that poor wee girl were vile.

Practically blaming her for being there and excusing the bastard tho knifed her to death.

[Bubblypop]

The gardai and government must be feeling the public pressure over the farcical nature of the Daniel Aruebose “investigation” not only is there a cringing “letter to the editor” in the Irish Times on how wonderful the Garda approach is, there’s also a press release - style article claiming that the softly, softly approach to date was all a clever ruse, and from now on the gardai are actually going to start asking questions:

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/20 ... e-inquiry/

“Now that remains have been located, the strategy of taking a conciliatory approach towards persons of interest – because they were helping gardaí pinpoint the burial ground – has run its course. Much more robust investigative tactics are planned”

Somebody has realised that allowing a woman to (possibly) kill her child, dump him in a field, and scam social welfare for years just because she’s African is inclined to make the natives a little restless.

The gardai knows exactly what they are doing. Noone in any investigation cares what the nationality of the people involved are.
Everyone knows you catch more bees with honey.

[Bubblypop]

It's a mystery why this story has dominated the state media for as long as it has. Just give the remains a decent burial and f*** the perpetrator out of the country.

Justice needs to be done first. Investigation, charges if appropriate, court hearing, punishment. Then deportation, if it applies.

[ceannairceach]

Justice needs to be done first. Investigation, charges if appropriate, court hearing, punishment. Then deportation, if it applies.

IF appropriate??

IF??

What possible excuse could they have ?? They mistook the kid for fcking lavender bulbs ???