RIP Charlie Kirk

[Belladonna]

Well if the trans person turned him in, that does go against the grain doesn't it? But I thought he lived with his parents, and his father turned him in.

[ceannairceach]

Well if the trans person turned him in, that does go against the grain doesn't it? But I thought he lived with his parents, and his father turned him in.

He did and it was his father but never underestimate how the TRA lobby can use anything to try to get a pro-trans story out there.

[knownunknown]

Well if the trans person turned him in, that does go against the grain doesn't it? But I thought he lived with his parents, and his father turned him in.

Kind of. The trans person revealed the discord messages about the gun, so helped to properly identify Robinson. I think it was his father and the minister that actually notified authorities first.

The left right now are making a big story out of, “well he was a white, conservative man” saying why is everyone blaming their side. It’s the woke ideology that infected his brain that made him do what he did. The kind of people that call others fascist all day long on forums. These are the people we need now to be afraid of. The people who constantly harp on about the far right boogeyman, all along it was projection.

[Jequ0n]

Kind of. The trans person revealed the discord messages about the gun, so helped to properly identify Robinson. I think it was his father and the minister that actually notified authorities first.

The left right now are making a big story out of, “well he was a white, conservative man” saying why is everyone blaming their side. It’s the woke ideology that infected his brain that made him do what he did. The kind of people that call others fascist all day long on forums. These are the people we need now to be afraid of. The people who constantly harp on about the far right boogeyman, all along it was projection.

They still deserve credit for reporting him. As much as I despise the trans movement it needs be acknowledged that not everyone is as fanatical as the rest.
Anyone with a bit of brain power knows that there will be repercussions on whoever facilitated or celebrated this assassination.

[knownunknown]

They still deserve credit for reporting him. As much as I despise the trans movement it needs be acknowledged that not everyone is as fanatical as the rest.
Anyone with a bit of brain power knows that there will be repercussions on whoever facilitated or celebrated this assassination.

Oh absolutely they would deserve credit. There are many on the left are waking up shocked to see the people around them who they thought were #bekind.

This is true and a good point, but the way the left right now are trying to obfuscate everything we know about the assassin is disgusting. Ai images are floating around places like boards of this guy in a trump t shirt, they are calling him a “groyper”( a white ethno nationalist) and suggesting he killed Kirk because he wasn’t right wing enough.


Of course all the evidence is already out there that he was radicalized by left wing ideology, from what was written on the bullets, to what the governor said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/12/poli ... 360-digvid

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal published on Saturday, Utah’s governor, Spencer Cox, said: “It’s very clear to us and to investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology.” Cox cited the findings of the ongoing investigation into Robinson and his possible motive but did not provide any further details about how officials arrived at that conclusion.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... motivation

[Adso_of_Melk]

In a way I feel sorry for him, he was most likely straight and was gaslit into sucking a cock ...

[knownunknown]

I don’t remember a watershed moment like this in my lifetime when I fear my ability to speak has been challenged in such a public way. This is much bigger than an attack on an individual, as the governor above said, “it is an attack on all of us and our ideals. The closest other event in my lifetime I remember was the Charlie Hebdo murders.

In that moment we were warned not to blame an ideology, today we are told there was no ideology behind it. But back then no one was cheering on the death of the cartoonists like they are now.

What is democracy? Whatever it is it depends on people being able to have conversations and make jokes.

#jesuischarlie

[Belladonna]

Tbh, I think the tweets etc full-on celebrating Kirk's death are vile, but if someone says they feel for his family but aren't going to pretend they liked him or are really sad... free speech.

And don't pretend his most ardent fans wouldn't behave in a similarly vile celebratory manner - or in the latter more benign way - if e.g. AOC was shot dead.

[knownunknown]

Tbh, I think the tweets etc full-on celebrating Kirk's death are vile, but if someone says they feel for his family but aren't going to pretend they liked him or are really sad... free speech.

And don't pretend his most ardent fans wouldn't behave in a similarly vile celebratory manner - or in the latter more benign way - if e.g. AOC was shot dead.

No I don’t think they would. Not in the way we’re seeing right now with respect to Kirk. Heads of universities, political parties, college and university heads, journalists and people from HR departments all over the world are revelling in the death of a father because they didn’t like what he said, or they didn’t like what they thought he said because of the lying scum media that have been misrepresenting him and people like him that hold similar views for years.

[ceannairceach]

Tbh, I think the tweets etc full-on celebrating Kirk's death are vile, but if someone says they feel for his family but aren't going to pretend they liked him or are really sad... free speech.

And don't pretend his most ardent fans wouldn't behave in a similarly vile celebratory manner - or in the latter more benign way - if e.g. AOC was shot dead.

Nah they wouldn’t.

Ilhane Omar possibly as she is one vile nasty cow who I’d not shed a single tear for.

[Adso_of_Melk]

Tbh, I think the tweets etc full-on celebrating Kirk's death are vile, but if someone says they feel for his family but aren't going to pretend they liked him or are really sad... free speech.

And don't pretend his most ardent fans wouldn't behave in a similarly vile celebratory manner - or in the latter more benign way - if e.g. AOC was shot dead.

No, they really wouldn't ...

[Belladonna]

Of course they would - you're deluded if you think hardline right-wingers can't be as disgusting as the far left mob. Some of you guys even sneer at empathy for children being slaughtered by the IDF (genuine empathy is possible without supporting Hamas/being anti Semitic, and it's bonkers and stupid to claim otherwise).

Of course not all on the hard right would behave in bad taste if e.g. Kamala was murdered, but you're having a laugh to suggest they wouldn't full stop as a whole. Groyper types (actually anti Semitic) are unhinged.

[ceannairceach]

Of course they would - you're deluded if you think hardline right-wingers can't be as disgusting as the far left mob. Some of you guys even sneer at empathy for children being slaughtered by the IDF (genuine empathy is possible without supporting Hamas/being anti Semitic, and it's bonkers and stupid to claim otherwise).

Of course not all on the hard right would behave in bad taste if e.g. Kamala was murdered, but you're having a laugh to suggest they wouldn't full stop as a whole. Groyper types (actually anti Semitic) are unhinged.

Oh lay off the dragging of fcking Palestine into everything ffs.

[Belladonna]

Oh lay off the dragging of fcking Palestine into everything ffs.

One post is not "everything".

[knownunknown]

Of course they would - you're deluded if you think hardline right-wingers can't be as disgusting as the far left mob. Some of you guys even sneer at empathy for children being slaughtered by the IDF (genuine empathy is possible without supporting Hamas/being anti Semitic, and it's bonkers and stupid to claim otherwise).

Of course not all on the hard right would behave in bad taste if e.g. Kamala was murdered, but you're having a laugh to suggest they wouldn't full stop as a whole. Groyper types (actually anti Semitic) are unhinged.

Were there celebrations at the murder of Jo Cox who was murdered by a man who thought all the problems were caused by the left wing?

No, people were united in standing upto political violence.

but it is certainly the case that sentiments that Jo Cox ‘deserved to die’ are in the tiny minority. When they were expressed they were harshly criticised, often by people on the same side of the political spectrum as the person expressing them.

https://www.evolution.ai/post/economist ... -fake-news

[Jequ0n]

Of course they would - you're deluded if you think hardline right-wingers can't be as disgusting as the far left mob. Some of you guys even sneer at empathy for children being slaughtered by the IDF (genuine empathy is possible without supporting Hamas/being anti Semitic, and it's bonkers and stupid to claim otherwise).

Of course not all on the hard right would behave in bad taste if e.g. Kamala was murdered, but you're having a laugh to suggest they wouldn't full stop as a whole. Groyper types (actually anti Semitic) are unhinged.

Empathy is over rated.
You don’t need it to know right from wrong.

[Belladonna]

One case from Britain, knownunknown, doesn't negate my suspicion though. I specifically mean the US, which is a lot less polite. I don't mean all conservatives of course, not even all on the hard right, but there's an element (I've seen mockery of the Pelosis after the assault on Paul, Tim Walz's son being referred to as a "retard") of that lot who behave shittily, and I'm not going to give them a free pass just because I agree with them on one or two things. If they don't mock a death outright, they'll for sure say the "nobody should be murdered but I didn't like them" stuff that some of you find objectionable.

[knownunknown]

One case from Britain, knownunknown, doesn't negate my suspicion though. I specifically mean the US, which is a lot less polite. I don't mean all conservatives of course, not even all on the hard right, but there's an element (I've seen mockery of the Pelosis after the assault on Paul, Tim Walz's son being referred to as a "retard") of that lot who behave shittily, and I'm not going to give them a free pass just because I agree with them on one or two things. If they don't mock a death outright, they'll for sure say the "nobody should be murdered but I didn't like them" stuff that some of you find objectionable.

That is all true, but assassination attempts are different when they are not successful. The rhetoric around Trump’s assassination attempt was worse and more widespread than any of those other stories and it was the same people we’re seeing now wishing the bullet had hit him, if only it had been one inch closer.

A dead person isn’t around to defend themselves. The way the left are taking Kirk’s comments out of context currently is disgusting. Imagine someone had doctored the Charlie hebdo cartoons to make them out to be worse then they were, why would anyone do that?

These are the people that regularly take the high morale high ground in debate, will say words are violence and we need safe spaces. They’ll point to the far right and say we need to be protected from their violence. They create a standard that they don’t live up to and the utter hypocrisy of it is astounding.

[Belladonna]

Empathy is over rated.
You don’t need it to know right from wrong.

I think Kirk was just trying to be edgy with that absurd comment. He actually seemed like a pretty empathetic guy himself.

[Belladonna]

That is all true, but assassination attempts are different when they are not successful. The rhetoric around Trump’s assassination attempt was worse and more widespread than any of those other stories and it was the same people we’re seeing now wishing the bullet had hit him, if only it had been one inch closer.

A dead person isn’t around to defend themselves. The way the left are taking Kirk’s comments out of context currently is disgusting. Imagine someone had doctored the Charlie hebdo cartoons to make them out to be worse then they were, why would anyone do that?

These are the people that regularly take the high morale high ground in debate, will say words are violence and we need safe spaces. They’ll point to the far right and say we need to be protected from their violence. They create a standard that they don’t live up to and the utter hypocrisy of it is astounding.

Oh yeah I agree with every word but I'm just saying that it's not heinous for someone to say they didn't deserve to be shot however they weren't a fan of them - that's not the same thing as "haha they're dead yay!" And that such behaviour would only come from the left.

[knownunknown]

I think Kirk was just trying to be edgy with that absurd comment. He actually seemed like a pretty empathetic guy himself.

If you read “empathy is overrated” out of context as a quote of his you’ll certainly reach that conclusion.

If you understand the context in which it was said I believe you would draw a different conclusion.

I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines empathy as "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another." Meanwhile, the same dictionary defines sympathy as "feelings of pity and sorrow for someone else's misfortune.

[Belladonna]

Fair play - I stand corrected. Ah it's pure shit from idiots to leave out the sympathy part (I view the two terms interchangeably).

[knownunknown]

An American professor tries to teach his students about the ramifications of this murder and its significance. Charlie Kirk choose the universities as his battle ground for a reason, the place he would set up a stall and invite anyone to have a conversation.

You can see how they think and why and it’s scary.

[knownunknown]

Terry Wilson, a local Black Lives Matter activist of Idaho, reportedly shouted 'F--- Charlie Kirk' before sparking a massive vigil brawl

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-captur ... nity-crowd

[jmayo]

People this stupid are allowed to breed.
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Seriously history really needs to be taught, probably with a mallet, to people.

A guy who espoused US right wing Christian values, challenged people of a different opinion to debates on college campuses is equivalent to Hitler - you know the real bad right wing guy that led the slaughter of millions, Hussein - a despotic dictator that was in power over his country for decades slaughtering thousands and bin Ladden - the leader of an islamist organisation responsible for thousands of dead.

FFS.