IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[GrowlerG]

Rubbish, if Sinn Féin get enough votes of course they'll get their bums on the seats. They were doing well and then lost their way electorally, whoever mandates policy in the background, has got their messaging very wrong.

They need to become a Nationalist party with a capital N. They need to reach out to harder line Unionists and make common cause. That they share far more in common with them than the inflows of other nationalities and cultures. Put their emphasis on Ireland for the Irish & Brits.

But have they the intelligence & guts to do this? I'm not so sure, as it requires putting aside the old enmities that defines them up North.

Gonna be hard fundraising in the states to Irish emigrates with that though. Likewise going to be hard retaining their traditional base in the north by moderation.

They don't know to go hard right or hard left. Meaning they are dithering in the middle, with policies that have no substance. Economics which are a fantasy. They can't grow more support unless they moderate. But that alienates their core support. The old style nationalism isn't going to work with a diverse population who can vote.

[Setanta]

Rubbish, if Sinn Féin get enough votes of course they'll get their bums on the seats. They were doing well and then lost their way electorally, whoever mandates policy in the background, has got their messaging very wrong.

They need to become a Nationalist party with a capital N. They need to reach out to harder line Unionists and make common cause. That they share far more in common with them than the inflows of other nationalities and cultures. Put their emphasis on Ireland for the Irish & Brits.

But have they the intelligence & guts to do this? I'm not so sure, as it requires putting aside the old enmities that defines them up North.

if Sinn Féin get enough votes of course they'll get their bums on the seats

While in reality they got the most votes and weren't allowed into government

They need to reach out to harder line Unionists and make common cause. That they share far more in common with them

These people are here 400 years,dispise the Irish,our culture and games,and have a shitfit at Irish language appearing on a sign in Ireland....you can't ever reach out to people who want you dead,do they still want to parade around ardoyne to celebrate massacring catholics,while singing songs celebrating the night they burnt ardoyne......your barking up.the wrong tree mate,they would carry out another gorta mor in a heartbeat

But have they the intelligence & guts to do this

We have enough west Brits and free staters without demanding everyone outside the establishment become one aswell

[Setanta]

More like their stupidity won't allow it.

Other parties have been in and out of govt. Saying it can't happen is like trying to claim the earth is flat.

It can't happen, simply because the establishment won't allow it....


Much like we aren't allowed question anything here,only be beat down into accepting the establishment line on everything.....there's a reason everything historical here is only taught to a superficial level,it's to cover up and build a shitty state on shitty lies,where the ordinary person is to be beaten into the ground,so the establishment can plunder state resources for themselves

[GrowlerG]

It can't happen, simply because the establishment won't allow it....


Much like we aren't allowed question anything here,only be beat down into accepting the establishment line on everything.....there's a reason everything historical here is only taught to a superficial level,it's to cover up and build a shitty state on shitty lies,where the ordinary person is to be beaten into the ground,so the establishment can plunder state resources for themselves

It can't happen because they are too stupid to learn the system they created or are a part of.

It's all on the Internet people can't keep blaming schools or the gubbermint why they refuse to inform themselves of history or the electoral system.

Determined to be uninformed more like.

[Setanta]

It can't happen because they are too stupid to learn the system they created or are a part of.

It's all on the Internet people can't keep blaming schools or the gubbermint why they refuse to inform themselves of history or the electoral system.

Determined to be uninformed more like.

too stupid to learn the system they created or are a part of.

There is no set of circumstances in which the establishment will.allow.sf (or anyone else) into powre here....hiding behind systems and insulting people is a poor substitute for reality pal....


we've too corrupt an establishment with too much to lose,to ever allow it....why would they change after getting away with it,they've killed off the last veneer of free state democracy,now profiteer off of migration as their latest scam....


We cannot ever hope to tackle migration,while the establishment is making so much coin off of it,and we aren't allowed a different government either by them

[Return of the Mac]

There is no set of circumstances in which the establishment will.allow.sf (or anyone else) into powre here....hiding behind systems and insulting people is a poor substitute for reality pal....


we've too corrupt an establishment with too much to lose,to ever allow it....why would they change after getting away with it,they've killed off the last veneer of free state democracy,now profiteer off of migration as their latest scam....


We cannot ever hope to tackle migration,while the establishment is making so much coin off of it,and we aren't allowed a different government either by them

There is a set of circumstances. If SF win an overall majority at the next election, they then will form the next Government

[GrowlerG]

There is a set of circumstances. If SF win an overall majority at the next election, they then will form the next Government

A majority of...?

[GrowlerG]

There is no set of circumstances in which the establishment will.allow.sf (or anyone else) into powre here....hiding behind systems and insulting people is a poor substitute for reality pal....


we've too corrupt an establishment with too much to lose,to ever allow it....why would they change after getting away with it,they've killed off the last veneer of free state democracy,now profiteer off of migration as their latest scam....


We cannot ever hope to tackle migration,while the establishment is making so much coin off of it,and we aren't allowed a different government either by them

SF can't tackle the opposition of it never mind getting into Govt.

[Return of the Mac]

A majority of...?

An overall majority in terms of seats. I think the figure is now 92. Win that amount of seats and they form the Government

[GrowlerG]

An overall majority in terms of seats. I think the figure is now 92. Win that amount of seats and they form the Government

So it's about seats not votes.

They don't need a majority if they can form a coalition. That's how the greens got in, and other smaller parties and independents. Unfortunately that will be difficult for them.

[Bubblypop]

Yous can vote for em alright,but noone outside the establishment is allowed into government here,even if they get the most votes

What value do you place on a vote,that will never be allowed have a say?.....even if the public do vote for something like the triple lock,the government will simply take it away without giving anyone a say,what value is that vote?

I am really beginning to wonder if you actually believe these fantasies

[Return of the Mac]

So it's about seats not votes.

They don't need a majority if they can form a coalition. That's how the greens got in, and other smaller parties and independents. Unfortunately that will be difficult for them.

Correct. If they can form a coalition. Something they've failed to do after the last 2 elections

[GrowlerG]

Correct. If they can form a coalition. Something they've failed to do after the last 2 elections

Kinda interesting why that would be. Ok there's a lot of incompatible between SF and the main parties. But why none of the smaller parties. I got the sense none of the smaller parties really trusted them, and clash of personalities. Perhaps the smaller parties saw how it destroyed the Green Party. It goes deeper than immigration. I was surprised that couldn't form a coalition with anyone.

[marhay70]

Simple fact is, it's not the number of votes you get but the number os seats you win and you can't win the seats without the candidates. In 2020 SF did win the highest no of votes of any one party, but they didn't win a majority of votes of all the parties. Furthermore, they didn't put forward enough candidates for the votes they did get, in many constituencies, SF could have taken two or even three seats but they had nobody to transfer to.
So the problem was with SF strategy, nothing else.

[Setanta]

I am really beginning to wonder if you actually believe these fantasies

Where is the lie in it.....or will Marxists do their usual thing of running from facts,they dislike ,while throwing barbs at the content first?

[Setanta]

Simple fact is, it's not the number of votes you get but the number os seats you win and you can't win the seats without the candidates. In 2020 SF did win the highest no of votes of any one party, but they didn't win a majority of votes of all the parties. Furthermore, they didn't put forward enough candidates for the votes they did get, in many constituencies, SF could have taken two or even three seats but they had nobody to transfer to.
So the problem was with SF strategy, nothing else.

There is no set of circumstances,where they will be allowed into government,they literally got the most votes,most seats and still weren't

The establishment has made off with too much money,to allow anyone else have a say....do people genuinely believe the folks that brought in laws to allow county managers to overrule county councils,are interested in democracy??....

it's a veneer of democracy that noone can honestly believe in anymore,there won't be change ever in this country from the ballot box,it won't ever be allowed,and I've seen nothing to suggest it will be,have you?

[Bubblypop]

Where is the lie in it.....or will Marxists do their usual thing of running from facts,they dislike ,while throwing barbs at the content first?

Marxists? Those left wingers, Like Sinn Fein?
It's clearly obvious you either don't understand the first thing about politics or our election system.

[marhay70]

There is no set of circumstances,where they will be allowed into government,they literally got the most votes,most seats and still weren't

The establishment has made off with too much money,to allow anyone else have a say....do people genuinely believe the folks that brought in laws to allow county managers to overrule county councils,are interested in democracy??....

it's a veneer of democracy that noone can honestly believe in anymore,there won't be change ever in this country from the ballot box,it won't ever be allowed,and I've seen nothing to suggest it will be,have you?

You really need to educate yourself on how the PR system works and possibly on how mathematics works.
In their best performance to date, SF got 25% of the votes, that's a long way from "most of the votes". Effectively, that means that 75% of the electorate did not want SF in Government, that's Democracy. Nobody prevented SF from getting into Government, they just didn't have the policies that other parties could embrace, so a government was formed from the remaining majority. That's mathematics.
If you can't see the simple truth involved in that, then it's a waste of anybody's time arguing with the voices in your head.

[NewBroom]

These people are here 400 years,dispise the Irish,our culture and games,and have a shitfit at Irish language appearing on a sign in Ireland....you can't ever reach out to people who want you dead,do they still want to parade around ardoyne to celebrate massacring catholics,while singing songs celebrating the night they burnt ardoyne......your barking up.the wrong tree mate,they would carry out another gorta mor in a heartbeat

You're so caught up in bigoted hatred of your long standing neighbours that you can't see the real threat. You can't see the wood for the trees. Take your blinkers off and look about you at the rapidly changing profile of the population. They may have been run out of Ballymena but that's the exception. Various nationalities can be seen in virtually every corner of Ireland now. Forget the idea of the Four Green Fields! The Green is going, going, gone whilst you rabbit on about the 800 years of oppression!!

[Jequ0n]

You're so caught up in bigoted hatred of your long standing neighbours that you can't see the real threat. You can't see the wood for the trees. Take your blinkers off and look about you at the rapidly changing profile of the population. They may have been run out of Ballymena but that's the exception. Various nationalities can be seen in virtually every corner of Ireland now. Forget the idea of the Four Green Fields! The Green is going, going, gone whilst you rabbit on about the 800 years of oppression!!

That’s it really (same in most Western European counties to be fair). There is definitely a sharp increase in right wing sentiment sweeping across Europe but I blame politicians (and left wing nutters without any real life experience) for having shut down any attempt at debating the asylum process in a reasonable way.

It’s not about racism or housing people in tax funded accommodation until their status is assessed. It’s about the real absence of any long term planning across most of Europe. You don’t have to be an expert to realise that adding large numbers of mainly unskilled workers will have a knock on effect on the job market as they will take up the jobs that students and unskilled locals would have traditionally have taken up.

And let’s face it - most of the arrivals will not be able to create the wealth and luxury living that they think is the standard way of living here. The last thing Europe needs is more frustrated people who despise their country of choice because they feel resentful at those who built up the country. Talk to anyone who works with integration and asylum support services and they will testify how absolutely unrealistic the ambitions are when they arrive here.

The fact that the vast majority of the new arrivals is also male poses another issue that will just breed frustration because they will not be top choice given their lack of opportunity. And the list goes on forever. But no, it can’t be discussed because it will immediately be silenced and branded racism, because shutting down debate always works so well. And once debates are pushed into siloed corners you breed extremism on both sides.
I won’t lie - I fully expect riots and violence in the not distant future and I look forward to the carnage once it properly starts and the excuses won’t stack up any more.

[marhay70]

That’s it really (same in most Western European counties to be fair). There is definitely a sharp increase in right wing sentiment sweeping across Europe but I blame politicians (and left wing nutters without any real life experience) for having shut down any attempt at debating the asylum process in a reasonable way.

It’s not about racism or housing people in tax funded accommodation until their status is assessed. It’s about the real absence of any long term planning across most of Europe. You don’t have to be an expert to realise that adding large numbers of mainly unskilled workers will have a knock on effect on the job market as they will take up the jobs that students and unskilled locals would have traditionally have taken up.

And let’s face it - most of the arrivals will not be able to create the wealth and luxury living that they think is the standard way of living here. The last thing Europe needs is more frustrated people who despise their country of choice because they feel resentful at those who built up the country. Talk to anyone who works with integration and asylum support services and they will testify how absolutely unrealistic the ambitions are when they arrive here.

The fact that the vast majority of the new arrivals is also male poses another issue that will just breed frustration because they will not be top choice given their lack of opportunity. And the list goes on forever. But no, it can’t be discussed because it will immediately be silenced and branded racism, because shutting down debate always works so well. And once debates are pushed into siloed corners you breed extremism on both sides.
I won’t lie - I fully expect riots and violence in the not distant future and I look forward to the carnage once it properly starts and the excuses won’t stack up any more.

I think it might just be a little bit about housing these people in state-funded accommodation. We have at least one generation of Irish people who have absolutely no chance of owning their own home. Instead, because of Michel Noonan and his fellow travellers, they are being pushed into an ever-tightening, more expensive, rental market.
Then they and those that love them see people, who are illegally in their country, being housed in free accommodation at taxpayers' expense, which has been acquired and refitted at huge cost by a government which refused at every opportunity to ease their own citizens' burden.

[kadman]

I think it might just be a little bit about housing these people in state-funded accommodation. We have at least one generation of Irish people who have absolutely no chance of owning their own home. Instead, because of Michel Noonan and his fellow travellers, they are being pushed into an ever-tightening, more expensive, rental market.
Then they and those that love them see people, who are illegally in their country, being housed in free accommodation at taxpayers' expense, which has been acquired and refitted at huge cost by a government which refused at every opportunity to ease their own citizens' burden.

And when the Irish people were called on to bale out the banks, i think that really was the last straw. When they look back on the Anglo Irish Bank Criminals involved with the 7 Billion euro fraud and see what those involve got was

Ireland (7 convictions) , and then the first three quashed or reduced. And Drumm went on to buy a multi million pound property in Dublin.
Its little wonder that whats happened since with immigration into Ireland makes peoples blood boil.

Aoife Maguire. Assistant manager.
Bernard Daly Company Director.
Tiarnan O'Mahoney COO
John Bowe Head of capital markets.
Denis Casey CEO
Willie McAteer Finance Director.
David Drumm CEO.

[Jequ0n]

I think it might just be a little bit about housing these people in state-funded accommodation. We have at least one generation of Irish people who have absolutely no chance of owning their own home. Instead, because of Michel Noonan and his fellow travellers, they are being pushed into an ever-tightening, more expensive, rental market.
Then they and those that love them see people, who are illegally in their country, being housed in free accommodation at taxpayers' expense, which has been acquired and refitted at huge cost by a government which refused at every opportunity to ease their own citizens' burden.

I was talking about the initial assessment period to “verify” whether their asylum claims are genuine. Once that has happened they ought to be ousted or treated like the rest of the population but not prioritised.

The Irish housing problem is a chapter to itself and testimony to utter disregard by politicians.

[marhay70]

[quote=Jequ0n post_id=60981 time=1754858145 user_id=26081]
I was talking about the initial assessment period to “verify” whether their asylum claims are genuine. Once that has happened they ought to be ousted or treated like the rest of the population but not prioritised.

The Irish housing problem is a chapter to itself and testimony to utter disregard by politicians.
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When they come into this country they should be treated as what they are, criminals; they should be interned, not housed, with no access to creature comforts.
They should be photographed, fingerprinted and DNA profiled and interned at special facilities with separation of the sexes, we don't want any more of the fcukers popping out. On that matter, any woman who arrives here already pregnant should not be deemed to be carrying an Irish child, which led us to all sorts of problems before. No pocket money, three basic meals a day and made to work to maintain their quarters; if the roof leaks, fix it or sleep in the rain. And make it clear that this is as good as it gets; they're not here for a holiday at our expense.
In other words, make Ireland a place you don't want to come to and want to get out of ASAP.
I'm sure the bleeding heart liberals in D4 and South East Dublin will be having apoplexies, no ragheads to work in their sweatshops and wipe their arses for them
Come to think of it, there's a fine park running from BlackRock to Booterstown, make an ideal processing centre.

[kadman]

I have always wondered how people managed to cross numerous european borders without papers to get to Ireland. Presumably many had papers that mysteriously vanished before the were in Irish airspace. Its a government feck up of major proportions. I dont have an issue with any nationality that wants to make their home in Ireland, if they conribute to the state, and abide by its laws. But not at the expense of irish people. The scumbags and criminals well thats another issue, I'd feck them back where they came from.