Chances of a broadly acceptable political party

[Setanta]

The ABCs of the CPI: How the Corruption… - Transparency.org https://share.google/CFViroEAhjlyjGKvT

If Ireland has enacted legislation to combat corruption, it stands to reason that corruption is not widespread nor excused. Which means being in the top ten of least corrupt countries is very easy.

If Ireland has enacted legislation to combat corruption, it stands to reason that corruption is not widespread nor excused

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Many of these recommendations were incorporated into the Public Sector Standards Bill 2015 (PSSB). If enacted, the Bill would have modernised the disclosure of elected officials’ financial interests, required TDs and office holders to disclose large loans and liabilities, and strengthened SIPO. However, the Bill was allowed to lapse and despite findings of malpractice by both the Mahon and Moriarty Tribunals, too little has been done to prevent a reoccurrence’,

[knownunknown]

The Court of Appeal has ruled that the state did not breach the rights of IPAs when they failed to house them. So, no difference now between 'them and us'
Court rules in State's favour over asylum seekers' rights https://share.google/iNoGCEJPvqVKnW8gJ

I wonder whether this will go to a higher European court since it’s a European law after all?

The fact is many Irish people born and bred whose ancestors helped build this country were refused emergency accommodation while many(not all) asylum seekers were put up in hotels, hotels designated for asylum seekers only without means testing. That’s the reality. This hasn’t gone unnoticed by family and friends of these people as well as all the hidden homeless.

The whole asylum racket is a shambles and even the refugee council admit as such. No one is coming to Ireland directly from a war zone, except maybe Ukrainians.

[marhay70]

The ABCs of the CPI: How the Corruption… - Transparency.org https://share.google/CFViroEAhjlyjGKvT

If Ireland has enacted legislation to combat corruption, it stands to reason that corruption is not widespread nor excused. Which means being in the top ten of least corrupt countries is very easy.

Not sure I'd be comfortable with who is compiling the statistics, Bankers and Economists? That's likely to be as acceptable as a referendum in Russia.
We live in a country where top policemen, judges, lawyers, planners, bankers, civil servants etc, etc are all beholden to government for their very existence, who among these is ready to rock the boat when they see corruption. Ireland enacted corruption legislation in the face of public anger but again if the corruption is within the ranks of those bodies I listed, who will tell?
We had a case a couple of years ago where a top civil servant awarded himself an €80,000 pa salary increase, 80,000? double the average salary, as an increase? This same person was able to refuse to appear before the PAC, the government could, or maybe would, do nothing. Is this corruption? I think so because he should not be in that position. In Ireland the people are Sovereign, why then was this person in a position where he didn't have to answer to the people, in the form of the PAC, why is anybody for that matter.
We had a similar position in regards to a judge, whose decisions were becoming increasingly bizarre. The government couldn't remove him an that is understandable but still needs to be addressed, but the President of the High Court, couldn't sanction him in any way. Is this corruption? I think so.
So whereas the monetary and economics people may not think there is corruption in Ireland, they are judging it in monetary terms and by their own questionable standards. The corruption in Ireland is in the Establishment and its lackeys. Where is the redress scheme for all the victims of the RC Church, why aren't Bishops, Heads of Orders etc in the dock accounting for their charges? Why was a government minister allowed to set a cap on the compensation the Church would have to pay of €128m when the scheme is likely to cost the taxpayer $1.5 billion? is this corruption? I think so.
Will the bankers and economists have taken these things into account?

[Bubblypop]

I wonder whether this will go to a higher European court since it’s a European law after all?

The fact is many Irish people born and bred whose ancestors helped build this country were refused emergency accommodation while many(not all) asylum seekers were put up in hotels, hotels designated for asylum seekers only without means testing. That’s the reality. This hasn’t gone unnoticed by family and friends of these people as well as all the hidden homeless.

The whole asylum racket is a shambles and even the refugee council admit as such. No one is coming to Ireland directly from a war zone, except maybe Ukrainians.

True, perhaps it may be appealed. However your assertion that Irish people were refused emergency accomodations isn't any different to asylum seekers clearly isn't true. Irish people can go to the courts to force the state to house them, which is what asylum seekers also did, but now, so far the court have decided that their rights were not breached.
War zones have nothing to do with it

[ceannairceach]

True, perhaps it may be appealed. However your assertion that Irish people were refused emergency accomodations isn't any different to asylum seekers clearly isn't true. Irish people can go to the courts to force the state to house them, which is what asylum seekers also did, but now, so far the court have decided that their rights were not breached.
War zones have nothing to do with it

After wasting even more oy our money on expensive lawyers.

They should be booted out immediately, the UK might not be everyone’s cup of tea but they’re hardly “fleeing persecution”.

Fleeing to freebies maybe.

[marhay70]

Had a doctor's appointment this morning in a rural town, and there were three Muslim types in the waiting room with me. There's hardly a week that goes by without reports of no GPs. In my town, people can't get on a GP list whose families have lived locally for generations, so how are these people skipping the queues?

[ceannairceach]

Had a doctor's appointment this morning in a rural town, and there were three Muslim types in the waiting room with me. There's hardly a week that goes by without reports of no GPs. In my town, people can't get on a GP list whose families have lived locally for generations, so how are these people skipping the queues?

Wait till you queue in Boots and see bags and bags of meds handed over with not a bean changing hands - it’s sickening see.

[Bubblypop]

Had a doctor's appointment this morning in a rural town, and there were three Muslim types in the waiting room with me. There's hardly a week that goes by without reports of no GPs. In my town, people can't get on a GP list whose families have lived locally for generations, so how are these people skipping the queues?

So how long did they wait for an appointment then? Or does them just seeing a doctor at all enrage you that much?
And can you explain what a Muslim type is?

[Bubblypop]

After wasting even more oy our money on expensive lawyers.

They should be booted out immediately, the UK might not be everyone’s cup of tea but they’re hardly “fleeing persecution”.

Fleeing to freebies maybe.

Who is wasting who's money?

[marhay70]

So how long did they wait for an appointment then? Or does them just seeing a doctor at all enrage you that much?
And can you explain what a Muslim type is?

Yes, it does enrage me when people who are supporting these parasites are denied services to accommodate them and by Muslim types, I mean the guys with the little caps and the big beards.
Furthermore, don't think you can embarrass me with my attitude towards Muslims. They don't belong here and should be deported en masse, to whatever rock in the ocean can accommodate them. Whover likes can look after them there.

[ceannairceach]

Yes, it does enrage me when people who are supporting these parasites are denied services to accommodate them and by Muslim types, I mean the guys with the little caps and the big beards.
Furthermore, don't think you can embarrass me with my attitude towards Muslims. They don't belong here and should be deported en masse, to whatever rock in the ocean can accommodate them. Whover likes can look after them there.

Could not agree more. Islam is entirely incompatible with normal Western society and should not br encouraged.

Seeing several UK primary schools visiting mosques and covering their little girls up with vile oppressive garments turns my stomach.

[Bubblypop]

Yes, it does enrage me when people who are supporting these parasites are denied services to accommodate them and by Muslim types, I mean the guys with the little caps and the big beards.
Furthermore, don't think you can embarrass me with my attitude towards Muslims. They don't belong here and should be deported en masse, to whatever rock in the ocean can accommodate them. Whover likes can look after them there.

Wow. You seem to know a lot about people by looking at them! Parasites you say. So, any chance of the lottery numbers for tonight?
I won't try to embarrass you, with your prejudiced attitude towards billions of people based on their religion, I imagine you wouldn't know embarrassment if it tattooed itself on your forehead.

[Bubblypop]

Could not agree more. Islam is entirely incompatible with normal Western society and should not br encouraged.

Seeing several UK primary schools visiting mosques and covering their little girls up with vile oppressive garments turns my stomach.

You clearly don't know any Muslims. No religion is compatible with western society, but yet western society lives on

[marhay70]

Wow. You seem to know a lot about people by looking at them! Parasites you say. So, any chance of the lottery numbers for tonight?
I won't try to embarrass you, with your prejudiced attitude towards billions of people based on their religion, I imagine you wouldn't know embarrassment if it tattooed itself on your forehead.

I know that the ones coming into the country and being accommodated in properties that our state has provided on the back of the taxpayer are parasites. Arriving here on flights from countries where they have been offered asylum and where they are under no threat. Pulling up in taxis from the airport, even travelling in taxis from across the Border. But you won't see that with your Palestinian bandana slipping down over your eyes.

[marhay70]

You clearly don't know any Muslims. No religion is compatible with western society, but yet western society lives on

Nor do I want to know the ones coming into the State right now. There are those I can tolerate, but these tend to be few and far between.
Personally I don't give a fiddler's fcuk about what you and your bleeding heart liberal buddies think of me. It's the likes of you that have Western Society in the gutter.

[ceannairceach]

Nor do I want to know the ones coming into the State right now. There are those I can tolerate, but these tend to be few and far between.
Personally I don't give a fiddler's fcuk about what you and your bleeding heart liberal buddies think of me. It's the likes of you that have Western Society in the gutter.

I am ignoring that poster as I’ve had interactions with her type (or herself as I suspect) elsewhere shall we say, and I have neither the patience nor the desire to go down that rabbit hole.

I may not have half of the Clonskeagh Mosque on speed dial no, but when I see a man get on my train going to Limerick wearing shorts and a Chelsea top and his wife wearing the full covering, including veil - that is not welcome.

[Bubblypop]

I know that the ones coming into the country and being accommodated in properties that our state has provided on the back of the taxpayer are parasites. Arriving here on flights from countries where they have been offered asylum and where they are under no threat. Pulling up in taxis from the airport, even travelling in taxis from across the Border. But you won't see that with your Palestinian bandana slipping down over your eyes.

What's Palestinians got to do with it? I don't support terrorism. I believe Israel has a right to defend itself.
You're very quick to presume you know everyone based on nothing but something you dreamed up in your own head.
You haven't explained how you think 2 billion people are all exactly the same based on their religion.

[Bubblypop]

Nor do I want to know the ones coming into the State right now. There are those I can tolerate, but these tend to be few and far between.
Personally I don't give a fiddler's fcuk about what you and your bleeding heart liberal buddies think of me. It's the likes of you that have Western Society in the gutter.

Western society is far from the gutter! I always find it hilarious that the people who claim to be the biggest defenders of our country are the ones that run it down so much.
Do you believe that everyone of the same religion are exactly the same?

[Bubblypop]

I am ignoring that poster as I’ve had interactions with her type (or herself as I suspect) elsewhere shall we say, and I have neither the patience nor the desire to go down that rabbit hole.

I may not have half of the Clonskeagh Mosque on speed dial no, but when I see a man get on my train going to Limerick wearing shorts and a Chelsea top and his wife wearing the full covering, including veil - that is not welcome.

Ahh so this site is great, so long as everyone posting has the same views as you? Not everyone is as prejudiced as closed minded you know, most of us just want to live and let live. Why are you the judge of what that woman wears? Do you think the state should decide what women do or do not wear?

[schmittel]

Has this election done anything to increase the chances of a new, broadly acceptable political party, something like a modern day PDs?

I'm not buying that the electorate has suddenly lurched to the left en masse, and the spoiled vote % speaks volumes.

Or will the furore die down and we'll go back to business as usual in a few months time?

[Headshot]

Has this election done anything to increase the chances of a new, broadly acceptable political party, something like a modern day PDs?

I'm not buying that the electorate has suddenly lurched to the left en masse, and the spoiled vote % speaks volumes.

Or will the furore die down and we'll go back to business as usual in a few months time?

You're 100% right, they arent turning left. This election was a decision between god awful government nominee or a crazy cat lady. Heather Humphreys had no chance what so ever winning this as she stinks of absolute failure by this government. She stinks of failure in housing, healthcare, immigration and so forth.

Voting for the Connolly can also be seen as a protest vote, you believe the same people who voted for Connolly would also vote for the left during the general election, not a chance. They saw the perfect opportunity to give a nose bleed to the government and rightfully so.

Ireland desperately needs a center right party and hoping today is a catalyst to get the ball rolling on this, it's clear to see we need that conservative group to fight against that absolute deranged left

[schmittel]

Yep, I'm equally hoping that today might be a catalyst for a centre right party, but not holding my breath.

It needs to be properly middle of the road, and for that it needs a credible and articulate leader. And money, which is very difficult given the funding regulations.

One of the reasons I was hoping Sheridan would be nominated was that a strong showing from him might have been just the ticket to get the ball rolling. But he might be a busted flush now having got his fingers burnt by sticking his head above the parapet.

[Headshot]

Yep, I'm equally hoping that today might be a catalyst for a centre right party, but not holding my breath.

It needs to be properly middle of the road, and for that it needs a credible and articulate leader. And money, which is very difficult given the funding regulations.

One of the reasons I was hoping Sheridan would be nominated was that a strong showing from him might have been just the ticket to get the ball rolling. But he might be a busted flush now having got his fingers burnt by sticking his head above the parapet.

Again I couldnt agree any more

I suppose lets use the UK Reform party as a perfect example, this party wouldn't exist without Nigel Farage and some people may hate him but I dont think you can take away how charismatic he is and he is a very very smart/savvy political machine with his prime time slot on GB News and gives of air of someone who you can have a pint beer with at your local pub.

This party is leading UK polls and could be in government in 4-5 years

Ireland needs someone like this

What I would like to see the likes of Carol Nolan, Ken O'Flynn and Maria Steen in new political group

Maybe Maria Steen is that credible person we need, a very impressive woman

[schmittel]

Again I couldnt agree any more

I suppose lets use the UK Reform party as a perfect example, this party wouldn't exist without Nigel Farage and some people may hate him but I dont think you can take away how charismatic he is and he is a very very smart/savvy political machine with his prime time slot on GB News and gives of air of someone who you can have a pint beer with at your local pub.

This party is leading UK polls and could be in government in 4-5 years

Ireland needs someone like this

What I would like to see the likes of Carol Nolan, Ken O'Flynn and Maria Steen in new political group

Maybe Maria Steen is that credible person we need, a very impressive woman

I am not doubting Maria Steen's credibility, nor her intellect, nor her articulacy, nor her ability to run rings round any current politician in a debate.

But I do doubt her ability to leave the abortion/gay marriage and other religious views in the past.

And if she is beating that drum, as impressive as she might be on a single issue like the recent referendum, she is never going to be a credible leader of a new party seeking the support of the centre ground.

[Headshot]

I am not doubting Maria Steen's credibility, nor her intellect, nor her articulacy, nor her ability to run rings round any current politician in a debate.

But I do doubt her ability to leave the abortion/gay marriage and other religious views in the past.

And if she is beating that drum, as impressive as she might be on a single issue live the recent referendum, she is never going to be a credible leader of a new party seeking the support of the centre ground.

I think like most sane people like Maria knows democracy won and the people voted against her BUT as a firm believer in women rights even now I'm kinda thinking twice on abortion especially when the Western world birth count is dropping and in Ireland the number of births by non Irish mothers is climbing.......