Israel and Palestine

[knownunknown]

Most of the population of Gaza is very young, there has been a boom in population in recent times meaning there’s many babies and small children there. Babies don’t eat meals. There was also 2,500 tonnes of baby food and high calorie special food for children. Their birth rate has been one of the highest in recent times.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra ... _Palestine

https://www.wionews.com/world/2-500-ton ... 00pjASj2yQ#

[PureIsle]

Israeli officers admitted on Friday to spoiling food, water, and medical supplies packed in over 1,000 aid trucks "stranded" at the Kerem Shalom crossing after distribution into the Gaza Strip was blocked.

According to the Israeli Broadcasting Corporation (KAN), the trucks contained tens of thousands of humanitarian parcels that were left for weeks under the sun until the contents rotted and became unusable.

An Israeli officer told KAN, “We buried everything in the ground, and some of the supplies we burned."

“Even now, thousands of parcels are sitting in the sun. If they’re not allowed into Gaza, we’ll have to destroy them too," he added.

[ceannairceach]

Israeli officers admitted on Friday to spoiling food, water, and medical supplies packed in over 1,000 aid trucks "stranded" at the Kerem Shalom crossing after distribution into the Gaza Strip was blocked.

According to the Israeli Broadcasting Corporation (KAN), the trucks contained tens of thousands of humanitarian parcels that were left for weeks under the sun until the contents rotted and became unusable.

An Israeli officer told KAN, “We buried everything in the ground, and some of the supplies we burned."

“Even now, thousands of parcels are sitting in the sun. If they’re not allowed into Gaza, we’ll have to destroy them too," he added.

Does being a spokesman for Hamas and the provider of disinformation pay well ??

[ceannairceach]

Most of the population of Gaza is very young, there has been a boom in population in recent times meaning there’s many babies and small children there. Babies don’t eat meals. There was also 2,500 tonnes of baby food and high calorie special food for children. Their birth rate has been one of the highest in recent times.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra ... _Palestine

https://www.wionews.com/world/2-500-ton ... 00pjASj2yQ#

And we’re supposed to buy the garbage of it being a “genocide” ??

[knownunknown]

And we’re supposed to buy the garbage of it being a “genocide” ??

About 4,000 births/month since Oct 7, according to save the children. Which means, despite the horrible amount of deaths in the region, the population has grown since the October 7th attacks. (Gaza health ministry puts the deaths at approximately 60,000)
https://www.savethechildren.net/news/ab ... -and-goods

[PureIsle]

Does being a spokesman for Hamas and the provider of disinformation pay well ??

Ah, another supporter of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Welcome aboard.

Maybe in future you might try to address the subject of the thread and drop the ad hominem BS.

[Jequ0n]

The male/ female surplus numbers are very telling.

[knownunknown]

Former US special forces veteran, Lieutenant-Colonel Anthony Aguilar, says he routinely witnessed Israeli forces and American colleagues deliberately targeting and killing unarmed Palestinian civilians at GHF anti-humanitarian (death traps) "aid" sites in Gaza.
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Aguilar is full of shit. I suspected as much when he failed to give any details during the interview. As usual the Hamas propaganda gets all the way around the world before the truth gets a chance to put its pants on.

If he witnessed war crimes he had ample opportunity to document it. Nothing, nada, no details except broad generalizations about Israelis firing on gazans. This man is a fecking disgrace and the bbc even more so for publishing unverified tripe.

No one who witnessed war crimes fails to give details. The same pattern repeats time and time again, bullshit unverified stories published and then shared by the likes of yourself, then when the truth comes out you completely ignore it and move onto the next sensationalist bullshit story.

[ceannairceach]

Ah, another supporter of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Welcome aboard.

Maybe in future you might try to address the subject of the thread and drop the ad hominem BS.

Perhaps you might like to actually show evidence of a genocide.

It’s the first one ever where a population grows.

RELEASE THE HOSTAGES

[ceannairceach]

Aguilar is full of shit. I suspected as much when he failed to give any details during the interview. As usual the Hamas propaganda gets all the way around the world before the truth gets a chance to put its pants on.

If he witnessed war crimes he had ample opportunity to document it. Nothing, nada, no details except broad generalizations about Israelis firing on gazans. This man is a fecking disgrace and the bbc even more so for publishing unverified tripe.

No one who witnessed war crimes fails to give details. The same pattern repeats time and time again, bullshit unverified stories published and then shared by the likes of yourself, then when the truth comes out you completely ignore it and move onto the next sensationalist bullshit story.

The BBC are taking data (and I use that term loosely) from the “Gaza Health Ministry” - aka Hamas. Clearly some posters are so deeply entrenched in both their student politics and their antisemitism that they are posting out of bias and not rational thought.

[knownunknown]

The BBC are taking data (and I use that term loosely) from the “Gaza Health Ministry” - aka Hamas. Clearly some posters are so deeply entrenched in both their student politics and their antisemitism that they are posting out of bias and not rational thought.

In this case, to be fair, he’s just repeating what was reported by Emir Nader of BBC. Absolute joke of a report. You don’t make sweeping claims of attacking civilians and war crimes without giving details. Even if he didn’t bother to record it he could mention, time, date, where etc…

I guess it’s the BBC trying to be “fair and balanced” by brining in a propaganda wing of Hamas. I just wish the student union types would use their heads and think.

It does Israel no favours to attack and kill civilians, it hurts their cause. Just look at the news. On the other hand for Hamas they get recognized as a state and donations come flooding in.

[Setanta]

Perhaps you might like to actually show evidence of a genocide.

It’s the first one ever where a population grows.

RELEASE THE HOSTAGES

There's 400K missing there mate,

They was a deal to release the hostages,but the Israeli tore it up to bomb refugees and carry out mass executions of ambulance workers instead,before capturing 12,500 hostages of their own in past 3 months

[knownunknown]

There's 400K missing there mate,

They was a deal to release the hostages,but the Israeli tore it up to bomb refugees and carry out mass executions of ambulance workers instead,before capturing 12,500 hostages of their own in past 3 months

You’re still propagating fake news despite me offering you evidence for it. About sums up all the news reports around the conflict. They get debunked a week later and you never hear the corrections, or you just ignore them. There is no 400k missing. It’s just not true, despite how many times you repeat it.

Don’t let me stop you from believing whatever you want to believe, but it is just that, a belief.

Tracing the origins of the 400,000 ‘disappeared’ figure in Gaza attributed to a Harvard study
A misinterpretation of an Israeli study, which itself contains a numerical error, was the source of this erroneous information.

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article ... study.html
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tr ... ng-in-gaza

[Setanta]

You’re still propagating fake news despite me offering you evidence for it. About sums up all the news reports around the conflict. They get debunked a week later and you never hear the corrections, or you just ignore them. There is no 400k missing. It’s just not true, despite how many times you repeat it.



https://today.lorientlejour.com/article ... study.html
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tr ... ng-in-gaza

There is no 400k missing. It’s just not true, despite how many times you repeat it.

Where are they then, because pre war population was 2.2 million and ceasefire aid was sought for 1.8 million.....the left don't like this,but it's reasonable to assume 400K are missing in the rubble of gaza (series 50K missing since Israel decided to tear up ceasefire to go on a killing spree,again)


Now without resorting to abuse,and defamation as you usually do,where are those who Didint need aid during the ceasefire?

[knownunknown]

Where are they then, because pre war population was 2.2 million and ceasefire aid was sought for 1.8 million.

You just made that up. There is no 400k missing, the source of the misinformation came from Harvard, look for yourself.
Put up or shut up.

[Setanta]

You just made that up. There is no 400k missing,

Nah I didn't,how many people did the UN seek aid for during g the ceasefire

There is no 400k missing,

Where are they then?


Actually why did trump and Israel only have plans to ethnic cleasne 1.75 million survivors from Gaza during the ceasefire?

I guess they are on track to bring this figure below a million with their grubby little famine they've launched to strave and weaken rest of population in the hope a bad winter will finish the job for them?


Did not get my information from Harvard btw

[knownunknown]

Nah I didn't,how many people did the UN seek aid for during g the ceasefire



Where are they then?


Actually why did trump and Israel only have plans to ethnic cleasne 1.75 million survivors from Gaza during the ceasefire?

I guess they are on track to bring this figure below a million with their grubby little famine they've launched to strave and weaken rest of population in the hope a bad winter will finish the job for them?


Did not get my information from Harvard btw

The UN aren’t providing aid to Gaza, you are misinformed, there is no 400k missing. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You love trolling don’t you? I ignored you for a reason which I am now reminded of. Where are the 100k missing tigers from the North Pole, can you tell me that? I won’t be replying to you any further.

The fact that you find this funny is even more evidence of your trolling. Go back under your bridge.

[Setanta]

The UN aren’t providing aid to Gaza, you are misinformed, there is no 400k missing. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You love trolling don’t you? I ignored you for a reason which I am now reminded of. Where are the 100k missing tigers from the North Pole, can you tell me that? I won’t be replying to you any further.

The fact that you find this funny is even more evidence of your trolling. Go back under your bridge.

The UN aren’t providing aid to Gaza, you are misinformed, there is no 400k missing

Is it true,the UN sought aid for only 1.8 million during the last ceasefire and thus there is 400K missing?

You love trolling don’t you

Again,I'm not the person who spends 16 hours a day defending a genocide

ignored you for a reason

Most likely because the woke love echo chambers and hate anyone who questions the lame stream media narrative

The fact that you find this funny is even more evidence of your trolling

I find nothing funny about genocideal regimes being left loose on a trapped civilian population after carpet bombing their homes mate,I do enjoy your poor attempts at ragebait which do t stand up to scrutiny though ..... because I don't like slaughtering and using starving children for target practice,deosnt make me a troll,I'd reasonably argue,it's the opposite

[PureIsle]

Perhaps you might like to actually show evidence of a genocide.

It’s the first one ever where a population grows.

RELEASE THE HOSTAGES

Would you care to support your statement that the Gaza population has grown during the present conflict?

I would be most interested in reading that supporting evidence. Thank you in advance.

[PureIsle]

According to The Times of Israel

Hundreds of rabbis demand Israel stop 'using starvation as a weapon of war'

Letter signed by rabbis worldwide and across denominations warns of ‘grave moral crisis,’ calls on government to work urgently ‘to bring home all the hostages and end the fighting’

Hundreds of rabbis worldwide have signed a letter calling for Israel to stop using starvation as a “weapon of war,” bring home the hostages and end the fighting in Gaza.

The letter, posted Friday and featuring the names of several leading rabbis across denominations, said the “Jewish People face a grave moral crisis.”

Its signatories, the text read, “are deeply committed to the wellbeing of Israel and the Jewish People,” but “cannot keep silent” in the face of Gaza’s growing death toll and rising malnutrition.

No further comment needed.

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[PureIsle]

Two of the best-known Israeli human rights groups said Monday that Israel was committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, adding fuel to a passionately fought international debate over whether the death and destruction there have crossed a moral red line.

The two groups were B’Tselem, a rights monitor that documents the effects of Israeli policies on Palestinians, and Physicians for Human Rights — Israel. Their announcement was the first time major Israeli rights groups have publicly concluded that the Gaza war is a genocide, an assessment previously reached by some organizations like Amnesty International.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/worl ... roups.html

It appears that the Israeli propoganda is beginning to fail even on its own citizens.
I wonder when will the genocide supporters here change their minds?
Not anytime soon I expect.

[knownunknown]

The heads of B’Tselem, and physicians for human rights are far left radicals long branded traitors within Israel. They don’t even live in Israel and get their funding from all the other NGO’s alleging a genocide is happening, e.g. trocaire Ireland funds them. They’ve been critical of Israel for decades, if the weather changes it’s Israel’s fault. Their evidence comes from public statements made by Israeli politicians.

The rabbis agreed that “

The signatories also said they “unequivocally support” Israel’s battle against Hamas and Hezbollah and understand the IDF’s policy of protecting its soldiers’ lives.”

and that their reports of using “starvation as a tool of war” comes from what they read in the media, you’ll see many of them don’t even live in Israel. The media are reporting what the rabbis read in the media, circular reasoning.

No news here, some people highly critical of the Israeli government for a long time repeating what they heard in the media.
What will the media report next? “My dog thinks there’s a genocide happening?”

I suppose if it gets clicks they’re only too happy to print any old shite. They’ve already moved on from the story of Aguilar, the soldier working for GHF who alleged witnessed war crimes. Why has no news organization asked him for details of the genocide he saw? Why is he not the star witness at the UN? Who cares what a bunch of NGOs and rabbis say, if you actually have a soldier that witnessed it with his own two eyes? Because they know that story no longer has credibility and instead of admitting their failings they move onto the next “ look over here”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruchama_Marton
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuli_Novak
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... ffef9d0000
https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/b_tselem/# ... untsinnis)
https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/physicians ... s_israel_/

[knownunknown]

In short, the first question the anti-Israel genocide chorus needs to answer is: Why isn’t the death count higher?

The answer, of course, is that Israel is manifestly not committing genocide, a legally specific and morally freighted term that is defined by the United Nations convention on genocide as the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.”

Note the words “intent” and “as such.” Genocide does not mean simply “too many civilian deaths” — a heartbreaking fact of nearly every war, including the one in Gaza. It means seeking to exterminate a category of people for no other reason than that they belong to that category

By contrast, the fact that over a million German civilians died in World War II — thousands of them in appalling bombings of cities like Hamburg and Dresden — made them victims of war but not of genocide. The aim of the Allies was to defeat the Nazis for leading Germany into war, not to wipe out Germans simply for being German.

They also point to a handful of remarks by a few Israeli politicians dehumanizing Gazans and promising brutal retaliation. But furious comments in the wake of Hamas’s Oct. 7 atrocities hardly amount to a Wannsee conference, and I am aware of no evidence of an Israeli plan to deliberately target and kill Gazan civilians.

[…]

As for the destruction in Gaza, it is indeed immense. There are important questions to be asked about the tactics Israel has used, most recently when it comes to the chaotic food distribution system it has attempted to set up as a way of depriving Hamas of control of the food supply. And hardly any military in history has gone to war without at least some of its soldiers committing war crimes. That includes Israel in this war — and America in nearly all of our wars, including World War II, when some of our greatest generation bombed schools accidentally or murdered P.O.W.s in cold blood.

But bungled humanitarian schemes or trigger-happy soldiers or strikes that hit the wrong target or politicians reaching for vengeful sound bites do not come close to adding up to genocide. They are war in its usual tragic dimensions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/opin ... ticleShare

[knownunknown]

This is not a campaign of extermination. It is a war against Hamas, a terrorist army embedded in civilian areas by design.
The law matters. So does precision. And above all, truth matters.

John Spencer is a war scholar unequivocally stating there is no genocide in Gaza.

[knownunknown]

The photo of the emaciated child that went viral to highlight the “famine” was suffering from a genetic disease finds investigative journalist David Collier.

The photo was taken by Muhammad al-Matouq. Lies spread around the world as usual before the truth gets a chance to come out.

The child depicted:

Mohammed Zakariya Ayyoub al-Matouq was born on December 23, 2023, with severe congenital problems, including cerebral palsy and a probable genetic disorder.

Muhammad’s own mother revealed that he suffers from a “muscle disorder” for which he receives specialized nutrition and physical therapy, saying he was “happy” and able to “sit upright” when they were provided.



Here is a picture of poor Mohammed along with his mother and brother. Notice how the rest of the family are not suffering from malnutrition.