Will Russia Invade Ukraine Tonight.

[isha]

South Africans here were not banned from schools, sacked en masse or held in internment camps. I don't know anyone who has proposed that.

You have expressed tacit support for the cultural sanction against a young Russian emigrant (to the UK) preventing him from playing piano in an Irish competition, but find Russian children being allowed to play GAA or go to school in Dublin to be perfectly fine. And presumably those Russian children and young people at Irish Universities can still enter artistic and cultural competitions, choir performances and public debates etc.
Can you tell me how sanctions could be defined to organisations and private individuals so that they could maintain rational coherence and the proportionality that would allow them to be moral?

It seems from the above examples that there is rather a fine line when it comes to you making a distinction between what you think are acceptable cultural sanctions and what are not.
Who gets to play King Solomon when it comes to dishing out the sanctions that will instruct ordinary powerless Russian people of their duty to chasten their distant and despotic government?

[isha]

I asked you to define the line. That is important. If public bodies are encouraged/ allowed to discriminate and sanction, then there must be some outline regarding acceptable sanctions and discriminations.
Examples were given about defining the line. I did not say that Internment was proposed. You used historical examples and I countered with an example to show historical examples are not a moral yardstick to define a line - suggesting I said Internment was proposed is your straw man.

You seem to have a definite concept about what is acceptable and what is not. You even seem to think the boundaries should be self evident, going by your tone. " It's very simple. What's the surprise? ..that pianists should get a bye?"

Define actions and sanctions that you think can be morally applied to ordinary Russian diaspora.

Who will decide if not you? What if the embassy truck driver got to decide?

Personally I think banning Russian pianists living in the UK from competitions in Dublin is petty and performative rather than productive.

[kadman]

Or, none because they haven't invaded another country, shelled hospitals etc?



Again, that's kinda the whole point of sanctions. That it affects ordinary people is hardly new or unique to this conflict. Although steps are being taken to seize the assets of Russian oligarchs too.

I haven't invaded a country either, but the pain of sanctions will be lumped on me and the likes of me, ordinary people.

Just because its been done before, and its not new, does not automatically make it right.
Sanctions wont be felt at the upper end of the food chain in society, the wealthy.

Steps taken to seize the assets of rich oligarchs is more crap being fed out to us, its a token seizure to grab a 600 million yacht, but leave their billions in place, and continue commerce with them.

[kadman]

Next we will be rounding up russians here and putting them into the curragh camp, for our protection.
Its more smoke and mirrors and fear from the boogey man.
Its not ordinary people committing all this, its people in power.

[isha]

Who do you think should decide?

I don't think those kind of petty cultural actions against ordinary people are useful at all. So, no one.

Eg if my local theatre stopped a performance by a Russian actress in a play next week I would think they were mad. That's it.

[schmittel]

I haven't invaded a country either, but the pain of sanctions will be lumped on me and the likes of me, ordinary people.

Just because its been done before, and its not new, does not automatically make it right.
Sanctions wont be felt at the upper end of the food chain in society, the wealthy.

Steps taken to seize the assets of rich oligarchs is more crap being fed out to us, its a token seizure to grab a 600 million yacht, but leave their billions in place, and continue commerce with them.

Plenty of wealthy at the upper end of the food chain in Ireland might be about to take a hit.

Outlining the Kremlin’s response to its increasing international isolation, former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev said it was using a “symmetrical response” to the sanctions imposed by the west, “including the seizure of foreign assets and their possible nationalisation. The same applies to the refusal of foreign companies to work in our country.”
He said Moscow would respond “fundamentally and harshly” to the departures, adding: “Whatever the reasons for the exodus, foreign companies must understand that it will not be easy to return to our market.”
Russia announced plans on Thursday designed to exert pressure back on the west through economic sanctions, including through an export ban on timber, electronic and telecoms equipment.
Moscow also passed laws to impound €9.1 billion ($10 billion) of jets leased to Aeroflot and other Russian airlines by western organisations.

Ireland is big in the airline leasing business, much of that 9 billion in leases will be from Irish companies.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/rus ... -1.4823898

[isha]

It's just so head-wreckingly stupid and tragic that it has come to this war and these mutual sanctions. The complete absence of statesmanship among global figures is disastrous. Has anyone listened to the mega brain that is VP Kamala Harris, sent off skipping to save the world? Oy vey...It's depressing.

[490808]

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Plenty of wealthy at the upper end of the food chain in Ireland might be about to take a hit.

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Ireland is big in the airline leasing business, much of that 9 billion in leases will be from Irish companies.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/rus ... -1.4823898

Well yes and no, with my very over the fence connection with aircraft leasing, I know that while its a big business in Ireland the finance could come from anywhere in the world.

It could just as easily be Russian money in the business as American, European or Asian.

Ireland provides the expertise in leasing but the money won't necessarily be Irish.

Once Russia seize the planes they aren't a lot of good to them for anything other than internal use, if they fly anywhere out of Russia they can be seized back.

[schmittel]

Well yes and no, with my very over the fence connection with aircraft leasing, I know that while its a big business in Ireland the finance could come from anywhere in the world.

It could just as easily be Russian money in the business as American, European or Asian.

Ireland provides the expertise in leasing but the money won't necessarily be Irish.

Once Russia seize the planes they aren't a lot of good to them for anything other than internal use, if they fly anywhere out of Russia they can be seized back.

Apart from knowing about 50% of the worlds planes are leased out of Ireland, I couldn't claim to have even over the fence connection, but presumably the impact will be felt to some extent here irrespective of where the finance is sourced?

If Paddy Airlines Leasing SPV has bought 2 billion worth of planes and is leasing them to Russia, it matters not where Paddy borrowed the money to buy the planes from but whether they can service the 2 billion. Presumably they can't if they are not in receipt of lease payments. And the lease payments represent their cashflow and profit.

Granted whoever put up the money and accepted the plane as collateral is likely to take a bigger hit, but I'd guess it will still make for some pretty uncomfortable trading conditions for the executives and shareholders in these companies.

I wonder if these risks have been insured against? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if you had a fleet of planes leased to Russia you'd surely at least have considered looking into the insurance possibilities.

[490808]

^^^^

I'll try and get answers for those question if I can

[316670]

"... the Hollywood movie set we know as Ukraine.

Will the matrix allow me to peak behind the curtains of a manufactured and manipulated world staged event?"

Yeah really the language of someone to be trusted. All those folks fleeing - actors?

And why is there no concern about propaganda from the other side?

Questioning is healthy, pretending actual events are staged... seems mentally unstable.

Mentally unstable you say?
Believing everything the media pushes your way requires a special kind of mental illness.
Notice anything in this propaganda video of the dastardly Russians attacking innocent people in peaceful Ukraine?

SPOILER:

Green trees?? Not this time of year and not in any other footage

Phil & Holly don't get the answer they expect from people on the ground in Ukraine, wont see this clip posted on their twitter.

[316670]

I caught a US interviewee's comment out-of-context last night: "Kaliningrad - lovely city, it'd be a shame is anything happened to it"

There, I think, is the West's greatest opportunity to turn Putin's murderous behaviour against him. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Russians who don't agree with what he's doing and who are willing to declare their support for Ukraine. Our own Glorious Leaders would do well to find a former Soviet territory that could give these disaffected Russians safe space to flee to. Kaliningrad Oblast would be one such territory, and if it declared independence from Mother Russia (in exchange for, say, an FTA with the EU that surrounds it), that would represent an almighty kick in the goolies for Putin.

I would like to think that behind the public clamouring for No-Fly-Zones and the various refusals to get dragged in to a wider conflict, there is a Cunning Plan being hatched between the Ukrainian government and the Western powers to keep the bombs and the guns in Ukraine, but to bring a different kind of fight Putin in as many different "breakaway republics" as possible. Let him know that he will go down in history as the man who lost so much of the Russian federation.

In the meantime, though, I think it's fair and necessary that anyone with a Russian passport is reminded that they have a moral duty to explain to the people "back home" that Ukraine and its people are being massacred in their name, regardless of what they might (not) see on the telly.

One small problem.
Kaliningrad is in simple terms one giant Military base, armed to the teeth, packed with missiles ready to strike NATO.
The Suwalki gap would be flooded with Russian troops at the first sign of conflict, its a big no, no for NATO, cutting of NATO in the Baltics

[Banshee Bones]

One small problem.
Kaliningrad is in simple terms one giant Military base, armed to the teeth, packed with missiles ready to strike NATO.
The Suwalki gap would be flooded with Russian troops at the first sign of conflict, its a big no, no for NATO, cutting of NATO in the Baltics

Allow me to break this to you Putinbro: the world now knows that Russias military potency is not what it was cracked up to be. NATO is going to give a shit how big a Russian presence is anymore. Fifth columnists like yourself are going to have a hard time promoting defeatism for here on in

As for the horseshit about Russia been full of budding peaceniks just waiting to overthrow Putin, not happening. Sanction them to pieces when they're a pariah state like NK, they might sing a different tune

[316670]

Meta and Twitter have announced that they will temporarily remove restrictions on people in some countries using hate speech on their global platforms, as long as it is directed against Russian soldiers, government or related.

Dangerous road we are now travelling down, laws broken and a blind eye turned as it suits the powers that be.
Who will they turn on next? Ireland for not joining NATO, those tax haven Micks of the west coast of Europe.
Anyone who see's no problem with this is insane or a idiot, all sort of problems are on the way, all the making of our very own politicians and have nothing to do with Russia but they will be blamed and the idiots will lap it up.

[Del.Monte]

Believing everything the media tells you is naive.

Stating that the invasion of Ukraine is staged - yep, mental instability.

Believing anything posted by some of the trolls on here is naive and will cause mental instability. Some people must have very sad lives when all they have is posting drivel here while eagerly anticipating some sort of military confrontation between Russia and NATO.

[316670]

Allow me to break this to you Putinbro: the world now knows that Russias military potency is not what it was cracked up to be. NATO is going to give a shit how big a Russian presence is anymore. Fifth columnists like yourself are going to have a hard time promoting defeatism for here on in

The consequences of too much Hollywood propaganda pumped into the soft heads of a gullible western audience.
It would be comical if there where not serious consequences of a escalated war, the idiot politicians see the uninformed like yourself "we can take Russia, they ain't so tough", you fail to see Russia will most likely in one way or another control large regions of Ukraine when it all over, why would they want to raise it to the ground these areas and make enemies of the population?
If Russia is fighting NATO the gloves come of, that's a simple fact many uninformed cant get their head around, hence NATO refusal to give even old aircraft to Ukraine as not to escalate the conflict.
If you have been keeping up to speed of what's going on over there (BBC,CNN dont count) you would realize this.
In simple term east of the red line to Russia
West of the purple to Poland, plenty of Gas here to sweeten the deal and provide energy security to Poland for decades to come.
The rest will be left to join the EU if the EU is dumb enough to take it on, next to no industry and bad farm land.
So ask why the hell would Russia level territory that will be hers when its all over?


Don't see this happening, check out the language spoken in these regions?

[Banshee Bones]

The consequences of too much Hollywood propaganda pumped into the soft heads of a gullible western audience.
It would be comical if there where not serious consequences of a escalated war, the idiot politicians see the uninformed like yourself "we can take Russia, they ain't so tough", you fail to see Russia will most likely in one way or another control large regions of Ukraine when it all over, why would they want to raise it to the ground these areas and make enemies of the population?
If Russia is fighting NATO the gloves come of, that's a simple fact many uninformed cant get their head around, hence NATO refusal to give even old aircraft to Ukraine as not to escalate the conflict.
If you have been keeping up to speed of what's going on over there (BBC,CNN dont count) you would realize this.
In simple term east of the red line to Russia
West of the purple to Poland, plenty of Gas here to sweeten the deal and provide energy security to Poland for decades to come.
The rest will be left to join the EU if the EU is dumb enough to take it on, next to no industry and bad farm land.
So ask why the hell would Russia level territory that will be hers when its all over?


Don't see this happening, check out the language spoken in these regions?

Is posting multiple massive images part of your spam process?

[316670]

Believing anything posted by some of the trolls on here is naive and will cause mental instability. Some people must have very sad lives when all they have is posting drivel here while eagerly anticipating some sort of military confrontation between Russia and NATO.

There wont be a Russia V NATO war, much to the disappointment of some here, but what we can see if a ton of anti-Russia propaganda, the west printed trillions of Dollars/Euros which will lead to economic disaster, the west now sees Russia as an excuse for why the economy is crashing and is prepping the population for an economic crisis, all of the western politicians making , which they will blame on Ukraine/Russia.
The uninformed will lap it up, but those following the economic mismanagement of the Dollar/Euro have seen it coming for some time, if Ukraine/Russia never happened the wheels where coming of the economy soon anyway, now they have given the public someone to blame other than the politicians who will walk away unscathed with pensions, when they should all be in jail.
Remember this post as the economy gets worse and worse in the coming year, and its all blamed on Russia.

[316670]

Is posting multiple massive images part of your spam process?

Its easier for child like levels of comprehension to understand than a wall of text.
Got to cater to the audience

The US gains more buyers for its natural resources, while the only thing the EU gains is higher prices. Great ally we have there.
Ditching Russia and its natural resources is completely nuts.
The US is literally sacrificing the European industry over its puppet regime in Ukraine.
Not a single politician in Europe has the balls to point that out.
We need to come to grips with the fact, that the US does not have the best interests of the EU in mind.
They will prop up Ukraine and they wont care if they sacrifice our wellbeing over it, as long as they can stick it to Russia and use them as and excuse for gas price rises and the economic crash coming.

[490808]

Its easier for child like levels of comprehension to understand than a wall of text.
Got to cater to the audience

What audience, you think people read all the drivel you come out with? A couple of lines is the most I bother with and as for watching any of the video clips you post you must be joking?

[316670]

What audience, you think people read all the drivel you come out with? A couple of lines is the most I bother with and as for watching any of the video clips you post you must be joking?

The gullible west summed up in one post, and it all by choice, you could be informed but prefer not to be, sad.

When the penny drops you will feel a right thick for been duped.

[490808]

The gullible west summed up in one post, and it all by choice, you could be informed but prefer not to be, sad.

When the penny drops you will feel a right thick for been duped.

So your the not gullible east, explains a lot.

[316670]

Tin foil hat time.
We know the EU has printed trillions of €uro out of nothing.
The entire EU could be at jeopardy if the €uro collapses
New immigrants are needed to kick the can down the road, new immigrants take out loans that are added to the nations GDP.
The EU public has reached the limit on the number of African and Middle East immigrants before the public start to support extremists, AfD, Éric Zemmour even Brexit.
EU bankers Need immigrants to keep wages down and to lend money to, so support Ukrainian government in no win situation, white Ukrainian immigrants now flood into EU
“Its the right thing to do, I’ll let them stay in my spare bedroom”.
The gullible public lap it up. “Sure that could be me , they look exactly the same as us”
EU gets to kick the can down the road some more before the reckoning
Ireland to take in 100k Ukrainian refugees, now replace Ukrainian with black/Muslims, do you think the public would be supportive?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.4819785

[490808]

Tin foil hat time.
We know the EU has printed trillions of €uro out of nothing.
The entire EU could be at jeopardy if the €uro collapses
New immigrants are needed to kick the can down the road, new immigrants take out loans that are added to the nations GDP.
The EU public has reached the limit on the number of African and Middle East immigrants before the public start to support extremists, AfD, Éric Zemmour even Brexit.
EU bankers Need immigrants to keep wages down and to lend money to, so support Ukrainian government in no win situation, white Ukrainian immigrants now flood into EU
“Its the right thing to do, I’ll let them stay in my spare bedroom”.
The gullible public lap it up. “Sure that could be me , they look exactly the same as us”
EU gets to kick the can down the road some more before the reckoning
Ireland to take in 100k Ukrainian refugees, now replace Ukrainian with black/Muslims, do you think the public would be supportive?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.4819785

If thats the case why is the UK doing its best to avoid taking Ukrainian refugees?

[Guburnor]

Its easier for child like levels of comprehension to understand than a wall of text.
Got to cater to the audience

Please remember not to be a dick.