Israel and Palestine

[Norman Breaks]

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[Norman Breaks]

[PureIsle]

I doubt this is an accurate summary, but if/when Iran eventually retaliates for the bombing of their Consulate in Damascus anything could happen, especially if the USA do not get directly involved.

“We’ve lost. Truth must be told … It’s no fun to admit that we’ve lost, so we lie to ourselves.”

Renowned Israeli journalist Chaim Levinson published a piece in Haaretz titled, ‘Saying What Can’t Be Said: Israel Has Been Defeated – A Total Defeat.’

“Hamas will not be eradicated. The hostages will not be returned through military pressure. Security will not be reestablished.”

To Levinson, Israel is being “held hostage by the worst leadership in the country’s history” and currently “has no diplomatic exit.”

The hostages in Gaza will never return, and Israel will not regain its security. He cites lies, procrastination, deceit and denial in dealing with the war.

He also points out that Israelis may not be able to safely return to the northern border following Hezbollah’s cross border attacks. The public is being deceived into thinking action will be taken against Hezbollah, but “the deadline keeps being pushed back.”

As for the Rafah invasion, Levinson calls it the “newest bluff” – and that by the time it actually happens (if it happens), “the actual event will have lost its significance.”

[knownunknown]

Hughes might not have been to Israel, and he might also be funded by them directly, this still doesn’t make him wrong. I can understand the concept of revenge without experiencing it myself by reading ‘Moby Dick’. Maybe Hughes watched this interview with a senior Hamas official.

The tunnels are meant to protect us. We are fighting from inside the tunnels.

Here’s Sam Harris to explain that interview extremely well.

They[hamas]rely on the fact that their enemy cares more about their children than they do.

[PureIsle]

Oh yeah, watch what MEMRI shows

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), officially the Middle East Media and Research Institute, is an American non-profit press monitoring and analysis organization that was co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1997.

Of course they have no bias and would never take a short clip from a much longer interview just to show how unbiased they are.
It would not surprise me if their translation is not even accurate. Israelis are well known the world over now for their lies.

As for Sam Harris - I listened to 30 secs and gave up.
1. He maintains that it was friendly fire when even the Israelis themselves have admitted it was deliberate and targeted.
2. He then essentially says because the USA bombed innocent people at a wedding that it should be OK for Israel to do it.

A real sick mind!

[PogMoThoin22]

Iran has launched an attack on Israel

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68810053

[PureIsle]

Iran has launched an attack on Israel

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68810053

Yeah, the first night in a long time there are no Israeli planes over Gaza.

Iran appears to have launched a considerable number of drones which the Iron Dome defence is dealing with.
What might come after that ....

I doubt this will have what most people hope - that Israel will learn to obey international law and not attack another country's Consulate.

[knownunknown]

Iran has launched an attack on Israel

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68810053

WWIII here we come

[PureIsle]

Israel plans to request an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council after the Iranian attack, the Israeli permanent representative to the organization told Sputnik.

Oh the irony.

[PureIsle]

Iran makes it very clear where they stand:-

Statement No. 2

After more than 10 days of silence and neglect by international organizations, particularly the United Nations Security Council, to condemn the aggression and criminality of the zionist regime in attacking the consular section of the Embassy of the Islamic Republic of Iran in Damascus as part of targeting our country's territories and the martyrdom of 7 legal advisors of the country without punishing the criminal regime according to Article 7 of the United Nations Charter, in response to these crimes and in execution of previous warnings and securing Iran's rightful demands and in order to punish the aggressor, using its strategic intelligence capabilities, missiles, and drones, the military institution attacked targets of the zionist terrorist army in the occupied territories, successfully hitting and destroying them.

Within the strategic policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard declares the following:

1. Warning the terrorist government of America that any support or participation in harming Iran's interests will result in a decisive and regrettable response by the armed forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Furthermore, America is held responsible for the evil actions of the zionist regime, and if this child-killing regime is not restrained in the region, it will bear the consequences.

2. With emphasis on the policy of good neighborliness with neighbors and countries in the region, any threat by the terrorist state of America and the zionist entity from any country will be met with a reciprocal and proportionate response from the Islamic Republic of Iran to the source of the threat.

We assure the heroic people of Iran that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard and the other armed forces in the country will stand until death in defense of national interests and will neutralize the efforts of enemies to destabilize the security and peace of the people.

[PureIsle]

As well as 400 to 500 drones, Iran launched an estimated 150 missiles into Israel.
At least two airbases were hit with multiple missiles.

Israeli media confirm at least seven missiles hit Ramon air base in Negev desert.
Iran has struck an Israeli airbase in the Negev desert with Khaibar ballistic missiles, IRNA reported

Another report said

The number of Iranian ballistic missiles is so high that the Israeli Arrow 2 and 3 systems were saturated and a significant part of the missiles managed to pass through. A total of 3 Arrow system launchers do not have this number of missiles ready to fire, and reloading it takes more time than the Iron Dome.

IRNA:

Successfully targeting an "Israeli" air base in Al-Naqab with Khaybar missiles.
The targeted air base in Al-Naqab was the launch site for the attack on the consulate in Damascus


United States President Joe Biden is currently meeting with his national security team at the White House. Apparently he returned from his beach break but has not commented.

The UN Secretary-General stated that he condemns Iran's attack on Israel and calls for its immediate cessation.

It appears the first 'wave' is over.
What happens next depends on how Israel (and the USA) react.
The ball is in their court.
If they strike back a full regional war is likely, and could even go nuclear if they all lose their senses.

IRGC announced it has successfully destroyed targets in "Israeli-occupied territories"

Israel's response to Iran's attack will be "significant and powerful" — Ynet

Tomorrow is another day ............ we wait to see what that brings.

[PureIsle]

A copy of the Israeli letter to the UNSC.

https://ibb.co/bQkWVhV

[Del.Monte]

Another schoolyard brawl with potentially lethal consequences and Biden giving Israel the green light to do what it likes shows just how clueless his administration is. Just how many fronts does the US think that it can 'fight' on? The Chinese fascist regime likely to try something against Taiwan any day and the North Korean nutjob capable of anything - not to mention the untenable situation in the Ukraine. Time to build a bunker?

[marhay70]

Another schoolyard brawl with potentially lethal consequences and Biden giving Israel the green light to do what it likes shows just how clueless his administration is. Just how many fronts does the US think that it can 'fight' on? The Chinese fascist regime likely to try something against Taiwan any day and the North Korean nutjob capable of anything - not to mention the untenable situation in the Ukraine. Time to build a bunker?

Trump would be equally, if not more, supportive of Israel. It's the oil and trade infrastructure the Yanks are concerned about and I doubt if any U.S. administration would take a different approach. Israel is the American policeman in the area and they won't allow them to be threatened. The same applies to Korea and Ukraine, buffers against the real enemy.

[knownunknown]

This video pretty much sums up how impossible it is to have any type of conversation with activists, as is evidenced clearly in this thread.

[Norman Breaks]

After the first 13 minutes, it's clear that your man Sam has his mind made up and keeps asking the same questions with no regard for the answers given to him. He's a terrible listener. The answers he's getting are not taking in and fed back with more relevant questions. It's like he's on a constant 'gotcha' hunt.

[knownunknown]

From my perspective Sam is trying to have a conversation and Youssef is just repeating talking points, trying to shout down any questions. If you keep watching beyond that Youssef eventually apologizes for his behaviour (putting words into Sam’s mouth etc,,) and they eventually come to some understanding, much closer to an actual conversation/interview.

[PureIsle]

I have no words for this ... I find it very very difficult to believe ........ maybe someone who has access to X could comment?

[Norman Breaks]

From my perspective Sam is trying to have a conversation and Youssef is just repeating talking points, trying to shout down any questions. If you keep watching beyond that Youssef eventually apologizes for his behaviour (putting words into Sam’s mouth etc,,) and they eventually come to some understanding, much closer to an actual conversation/interview.

I'm glad they had a more reasonable conversation going on but it was very one sided. Bassam is clearly outlining how brutal the Israeli regime is, how it is backed by the west, how hypocritical the support is and how there are people with extreme power that have outlandish biblical beliefs that they use to justify their horrendous actions, yet Sam just glazes over and is like "I see no way out of this". Basically saying there is no way that Israel would back down, you can't change their mind about the 'chosen people' horsesh1te' and they will continue to do their bidding. Almost blaming the rest of the world for not going along with it and trying to resist it. No accountability.
Jews are not safer because of Israel.
Zionists are not safer because of Israel.
The world is more dangerous because of Israel.

[PureIsle]

A UN-mandated commission of inquiry that probes violations of international human rights law accused Israel on 16 April of obstructing its efforts to collect evidence from the victims of the attack by Hamas on military bases and settlements in southern Israel on 7 October.

"So far as the government of Israel is concerned, we have not only seen a lack of cooperation but active obstruction of our efforts to receive evidence from Israeli witnesses and victims to the events that occurred in southern Israel," said Chris Sidoti, a member of a commission of inquiry established to investigate human rights abuses committed in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.

This in the same week that Israel was appealing to the UN because Iran bitch-slapped them.

It would be funny except those murderers are heavily armed!

https://thecradle.co/articles/israel-hi ... oct-events

[knownunknown]

I'm glad they had a more reasonable conversation going on but it was very one sided. Bassam is clearly outlining how brutal the Israeli regime is, how it is backed by the west, how hypocritical the support is and how there are people with extreme power that have outlandish biblical beliefs that they use to justify their horrendous actions, yet Sam just glazes over and is like "I see no way out of this". Basically saying there is no way that Israel would back down, you can't change their mind about the 'chosen people' horsesh1te' and they will continue to do their bidding. Almost blaming the rest of the world for not going along with it and trying to resist it. No accountability.
Jews are not safer because of Israel.
Zionists are not safer because of Israel.
The world is more dangerous because of Israel.

I would argue that all war everywhere at all times was brutal. People killing their own people, allies and even aid workers is part and parcel of war, never mind killing as many of the enemy as possible. The allies murdered thousands of French civilians as part of d day, their allies with accidental bombings which were deemed necessary. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were wiped out which many people would argue was necessary and saved the lives of potentially hundreds of thousands of allied soldiers. Cities in Syria were wiped out to get rid of isis, the civilians moved out first and then the terrorists wiped out, destroying cities- all of this deemed necessary. These civilians weren’t then referred to as refugees, a status the UNRWA solely reserves for Palestinians not applied to anywhere else on earth. It wasn’t called a genocide when aid was restricted to Idlib, Aleppo or Raqqa, stopping any arms from getting in, it wasn’t called an open air prison. Siege is probably the more appropriate word.

The Israelies spent trillions not on offensive weapons which could easily have wiped out their enemies but on defensive weapons, iron dome, bomb shelters, radars to detect rockets, satellites to aid this, etc…. The war mongering oppressive Israel narrative just falls flat on its face in light of this.

Compare this to hamas who build tunnels under schools and hospitals from which to fire rockets from. They hide in homes with women and children and fire from within, There is no comparison. They slaughtered 1,000+ mostly civilians and took hundreds as hostages committing massive war crimes against humanity. Any country to whom this happens, whether they deserve it or not, would respond with a massive show of force. Problem is that Palestine isn’t a country such that Israel can declare upon. They are fighting essentially against a terrorist militia embedded deep within a civilian population. This could easily have ended long ago with the surrender of hamas or the release of the hostages.

Just imagine the IRA had slaughtered 8,000 English citizens(to represent the same percentage of Israelies that were murdered) during the height of the troubles in cold blood. Imagine the reaction.

[PogMoThoin22]

Defensive weapons, you're having a girrafe! More children were killed in Gaza in six months than in the last four years of conflict worldwide

[Quato]

Defensive weapons, you're having a girrafe! More children were killed in Gaza in six months than in the last four years of conflict worldwide

But that is exactly what HAMAS wants. Any dead Palestinian kid is a win for those bastards. It is a death cult.

[knownunknown]

Defensive weapons, you're having a girrafe! More children were killed in Gaza in six months than in the last four years of conflict worldwide

The numbers given for dead women and children in Gaza coming from Hamas is most certainly a lie(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... -war-data/) but of course it is still very high and amounts to a humanitarian crisis.

One way or another, men appear to account for a considerably higher percentage of fatalities than that claimed by the Gazan authorities.

[Norman Breaks]

Pretty much the definition of propaganda from western msm