France looks fiery

[isha]

From the videos I'm seeing on Twitter.

Is it a brief convulsion following the shooting of 17 years old Nahel M, or is it long tensions coming to the surface.

It doesn't look great to be honest.

Having enjoyed his Elton John concert Macron is now holding crisis/emergency meetings.
667 arrested. Many cities have had shops and municipal buildings looted and set on fire. Protestors seem to be accessing lethal weapons.

Maybe it's not as bad as the videos depict?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguar ... apologises

[quodec]

Imho I think certain elements in society just need any old excuse to vent their frustrations into open violence. RIP to the young lad though.

[isha]

Ou peutetre c'est normal en France?
This man seems unbothered..

[isha]

My daughter just cycled from Netherlands to Lille. But sure that's barely even in France. Everything was fine last week.

Who climbs up all this way to set a fire? I suppose the visuals would be good.

[PogMoThoin22]

Very little coverage of this and this is a real coup not like that Wagner one the other day

[678904673]

Very little coverage of this and this is a real coup not like that Wagner one the other day

The Tubbs scandal is the only show in town at the moment and a useful distraction for the Government. As far as Irish media is concerned all other news can wait

[95438756]

Happening in Paris since 1968.

Plus ça change.

[Setanta]

France treats it's minorities awlfully.....no harm for em to riot....likes of that is needed here,watch as the rte mess is quietly,but effectively brushed under carpet and forgot about with no meaningful reform,same as every other mess and fraud of taxpayer's money

[isha]

France treats it's minorities awlfully.....no harm for em to riot....likes of that is needed here,watch as the rte mess is quietly,but effectively brushed under carpet and forgot about with no meaningful reform,same as every other mess and fraud of taxpayer's money

You want riots here?

[isha]

If people drive a car or truck into a Lidl or other store, or set a bus station on fire, or burn the trains, they are not at all affecting the elites who wouldn't ever go near a Lidl or a bus. But the people who work on minimum wages in the Lidl or the workers who take the stinky bus to work, they will be in trouble. No job. No transport. While the rich dial their accountant to make the insurance claim.
Pretty dumb behaviour. I don't want it here.

[Beatty]

France treats it's minorities awlfully.....no harm for em to riot....likes of that is needed here,watch as the rte mess is quietly,but effectively brushed under carpet and forgot about with no meaningful reform,same as every other mess and fraud of taxpayer's money

[isha]

I don't think Marine le Pen would help at all. If anything it would inflame matters terribly. I also don't think the present petit Empereur is much use. Where are all the sensible mature world leaders?

[Beatty]

I don't think Marine le Pen would help at all. If anything it would inflame matters terribly. I also don't think the present petit Empereur is much use. Where are all the sensible mature world leaders?

No fear, Macon has it all figured out

[isha]

I heard the largest library in Marseilles had been attacked. I didn't believe it. But I looked up the Alcazar library and found their Twitter account says they are closed after last night but will welcome people back on Tuesday. So hopefully not too badly damaged.

[isha]

I think this is a good thread telling what has happened.



And if you look at this tweet in the thread it looks like an execution of the boy Nahel. Completely crazy policing.
It shows a first angle and a different angle. It was a total lie that the police aimed at his leg.

[Del.Monte]

Isn't great that the young man who was shot had so many friends that were upset by his death.

[isha]

To be fair it was an execution, from what I'm seeing there.
And Algerians have a lot of history with France.

Eg 1961 French police massacred 100 Algerians peacefully protesting in Paris
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com ... 927939.amp

A lot of killing over the time of colonisation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Algeria


And during their war for Independence up to 1962 estimates of 1.5 million deaths of Algerians.

In fairness that is all fkd up. Think how many Irish people feel about our troubles and the responses in the north to extra-judicial killings. I can understand these riots a lot more having seen the shooting of Nahel to be honest.

[Del.Monte]

Isn't amazing though given the colonial history between the two countries that so many Algerians choose to live in France? Reverse colonisation doesn't work either and it can be seen all over Europe.

[isha]

I'm not amazed by it. Algerians were coming to France all through French colonisation of Algeria. Sometimes they were positively encouraged, eg due to lack of labour. They spoke French because of colonisation. There were direct links because of colonisation. France is much much wealthier than Algeria therefore it represented opportunity.

Plus colonisation is not the same as migration. Personally I do believe there are issues to be frankly discussed re demographic shifts in Europe, including re conflict of cultures and religions and basic mindset and value differences, integration issues, poor treatment of refugees, preaching of hate in private schools or religious venues against the values of one's adopted society, pressures of numbers, creation of cheap labour and underclasses, sex trafficking, FGM, child marriage, treatment of women, and so on and so forth, but I also think the historical context must be accurately told

[Beatty]

It is 100% clear that there is a 'them and us' at play here.
Prevention is better than cure.

[isha]

The video reports are even worse overnight. People with machine guns. Explosives. Truck loads of armed people. It is also being reported in a minimalist way. Ministers in France playing down violence while sending in 45,000 police to try and deal with it. The average age of people being arrested is 17.

[Del.Monte]

No sign of water cannons being used - nothing works better - the French should get some seasoned PSNI veterans to help them out.

[Setanta]

You want riots here?

I certainly won't critise anyone who deos.....there's not a single public/essential service works effectively here and the governments big plan is to cut income tax

The last time anything approaching effective public opposition happened here,was to water taxes,look at England and the mess their water service is,and the establishment here wanted same for us.....the awlful lop-sided legislation to underpin police authority here bodes awlful for eire

Any of next generation coming through have been messed over by establishment in Europe (not just here!) with years and years,while Macron in particular has enacted awlful laws targeting minorites in France,i certainly can't blame them for open revolt, nothing changes or improves

while people are expected to stand by and get poorer & poorer with inflation and no attempt by establishment to bring in price controls/restrict profiteering.....this much vaunted,self-wanking centrism is failing and it's policies are actively making people's lives worse

[DrTurkTurkelton]

Isn't great that the young man who was shot had so many friends that were upset by his death.

All these doctors and engineers that we were promised are very violent.

[Beatty]

All these doctors and engineers that we were promised are very violent.

Damaged people and buildings will need doctors and engineers to heal and repair.
They are just very industrious.