Enniscorthy Pit Bull attack

[Del.Monte]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-n ... d-28605624

Pictures are not for the faint hearted!!

When will these dangerous breeds be completely banned? I'm sick of hearing that it's not the dog's fault, it's that of the owners and the dogs should be kept muzzled in public. Absolute bs! Every time this happens we hear shite about how Jack Russells can bite too - that's as maybe but they are not going to cause anything like the damage that this unfortunate child has suffered. Give a Jack Russell a good kick up the hole and it's going to feck off - I wouldn't intervene where a dangerous breed is concerned. There will follow the ritual hand wringing from local worthies but nothing will change because it's Ireland.

[Mirabeau]

Id like to know what happened in the lead-up to the attack.

[isha]

I read that story elsewhere this morning. It's devastating for the boy and his family. He was a gorgeous looking fellow, I hope surgeons can do something good for him. The family were very frank and open about their unbearable pain, and very real about the possibility of the boy facing teasing and abuse for the rest of his life because of the disfigurement. It's just awful. And that same dog had attacked a different child a few days previously and left them with injuries, only for that earlier child has a puffy hoody pulled up over his head he would have been destroyed.
Just ban these dogs. They were selectively bred into existence, they can be bred out.

[Del.Monte]

Id like to know what happened in the lead-up to the attack.

The dog was loose and unmuzzled - what more do you need to know?

[Mirabeau]

The dog was loose and unmuzzled - what more do you need to know?

A lot more to make a balanced judgement.
What was the interaction between the child and the dog before the attack?

[Del.Monte]

A lot more to make a balanced judgement.
What was the interaction between the child and the dog before the attack?

The dog had already attacked another child previously. Interaction WTF - the dog should not have been loose and unmuzzled end of story.

[Hugh_Bigazz]

The dog had already attacked another child previously. Interaction WTF - the dog should not have been loose and unmuzzled end of story.

In that case the owner is the one at fault

[Del.Monte]

In that case the owner is the one at fault

Obviously, but the breed needs banning as time and again owners have been found unable to control them. Try telling the 9-year old child that it's the owners fault, I'm sure that will make him feel a lot better.

[Hugh_Bigazz]

The dog would be fine with a responsible owner. Fine and jail the owner, they are fully responsible

[Mirabeau]

The dog had already attacked another child previously. Interaction WTF - the dog should not have been loose and unmuzzled end of story.

What happened there then?
Wasn't it reported? Slack parenting if it wasn't.
Yes interaction i.e. was the child pricking about with dog?
Its a fair question.
And again, where were the parents in that?

[Del.Monte]

What happened there then?
Wasn't it reported? Slack parenting if it wasn't.
Yes interaction i.e. was the child pricking about with dog?
Its a fair question.
And again, where were the parents in that?

https://wexfordlocal.com/2022/11/28/boy ... niscorthy/

What on earth do you mean "where were the parents" - so children need parental supervision when they are playing football near their homes? The dog shouldn't have been roaming free, muzzled or unmuzzled, there the story ends.

[isha]

I know a lovely pit bull dog, an absolute dote. But the fact is they were bred specifically for their powerful jaw and bite and shake reflex which does horrific damage. Cows kill a couple of people every year, but if there was a cow that was bred to have a worse temperament, and it hurt more people than cows usually do, would we not ask -Do we need those kinds of cows? Cows were bred from creatures like aurochs to be tamer, smaller, more manageable and less dangerous to humans. Why do we want dogs that are specifically bred in the opposite direction? I'm not saying be cruel to the pit bulls who exist presently. But maybe gradually stop having them?

[Hairy-Joe]

As someone who was attacked by a dog when I was younger, I believe that a lot more dog breeds should be banned (pit bulls included). Also, dog owners should be legally responsible to pay for the damages their dog causes, including taking their social welfare. Third, the authorities should have the power to destroy any loose dog.

I was very lucky to have no long term physical effects, but to this day, the sight of a large loose dog will have me frozen to the spot.

We had a terrier years ago and he never went past the gate unless he was on a lead. He had an acre to run around. Having large dogs in suburbia is also cruel on the dog.

[BrianD3]

No dog regardless of breed should be roaming about - yet probably half the posts on the community Facebook page for my home area relate to lost and found dogs.

I think the fundamental problem here is one of irresponsible dog ownership rather than the breed of the dog although it is the case that some breeds can do a lot more damage than others and/or have a strong prey drive (more so endangering other animals, cats etc. than humans AFAIK)

There is probably a strong correlation between being an irresponsible owner and owning a "tough" breed dog.

Then when the dog savages someone there's no point taking a civil case against the owner as, shur, they have nothing to sue for. Well maybe they'll pay a fiver a week off their social welfare.

[Mirabeau]

https://wexfordlocal.com/2022/11/28/boy ... niscorthy/

What on earth do you mean "where were the parents" - so children need parental supervision when they are playing football near their homes? The dog shouldn't have been roaming free, muzzled or unmuzzled, there the story ends.

It means what it means.
Where were they?
Some people shouldn't have dogs.
Some people shouldn't have children.

[4524689]

The dog breed should be banned and owning one or a derivative crossbreed should carry a 12 month mandatory prison sentence.

[Del.Monte]

Arsehole on with Andrea Gilligan now and admits to walking his dogs on the beach no muzzles, no leads and never had a problem.....missing word is yet!!

And now fools ringing in saying big dogs need to run and be off the lead....Jeez the level of stupidity is off the scale. Guess what, if you don't have your own land to let your dog run free - securely - don;t get a big dog!!!!!!

[8760976543]

Regardless of what happened this poor kid is going to need a lot of help.

https://gofund.me/7f55a871

[isha]

Ah, it's good to see that people are helping his family. I will definitely send a few bob later today.

[knownunknown]

I just can’t agree with the sentiment that the dog itself is the problem. Dogs become a problem due to bad owners and they should be fined heavily and possibly more when something like this happens. Everyone I know that has dogs, not exactly this type but they can do damage, would never allow anyone to be unsafe near them. If they have a bad temperament they shouldn’t be allowed out in public it’s as simple as that. Sorry if I missed some details from the story but I am faint hearted and I hate seeing this sort of thing.

I guess it’s similar to the argument for banning guns, but we don’t ban guns entirely we just issue licences to responsible owners.

[mmercedes84]

We also have a many many scumbags in the country, who inflict damage , they are allowed have children on continue on the tradition.

Don't agree with the sentiment big dogs always have to be on a lead, a dog is a domesticated animal and not a wolf. It was bred into existence for this purpose. They are entitled to the earth as much as we are.

They are typically a reflection of their owner, bad owners cause bad dogs.

I would add though pitbulls are a an unnecessary pet and you would really wonder why anyone in their right mind has them as a dog.

Owners should be charged with the offense same as if they attacked the child. Either they keep their dog under control or face the risk. If they don't think they can accept the risk get another type of dog and don't be dumb enough to own a pitbull if too dumb to control it.

[Del.Monte]

More evidence from the stats on dog attacks shows yet another situation that is utterly out of control in the Republic.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/we ... 83858.html

[Hairy-Joe]

I've a story on bad dogs and bad owners. A few years ago, I was strolling along a country road close to home. The weather was improving so the fleece came off and was in my hand. Anyway, I passed one house and the dog came running out, barking. Given my past experiences, I didn't wait to see what happened and hit the dog on the face with the fleece and then threw it over the face of the dog. The dog stopped and got disoriented. Anyway, the dog owner came out screaming at me for "attacking her dog".

Yep, because I took action to defend, I was accused of attacking her dog.

Following morning, I phoned the dog Warden and told the neighbors to make sure their kids knew the dog could run out after them.

[nlgbbbblth]

I walk a lot and occasionally encounter dogs off their leads. I am naturally nervous of them as I was badly bitten in an unprovoked attack many years ago. To my eternal regret, that particular dog was not put down.

Every single owner I've challenged has come out with the "he/she won't hurt you" crap which really annoys me. Any dog that intimidates people deserves a bullet in the head. None of this "put them to sleep" bullshit.

There are plenty of bad dogs out there. Shoot the f*ckers is my solution.

[Del.Monte]

I walk a lot and occasionally encounter dogs off their leads. I am naturally nervous of them as I was badly bitten in an unprovoked attack many years ago. To my eternal regret, that particular dog was not put down.

Every single owner I've challenged has come out with the "he/she won't hurt you" crap which really annoys me. Any dog that intimidates people deserves a bullet in the head. None of this "put them to sleep" bullshit.

There are plenty of bad dogs out there. Shoot the f*ckers is my solution.

Their owners need lead in the ear too. The dangerous breeds need banning and and any deemed essential - guard dogs etc. - need to properly controlled or their owners facing the court and jail sentences. I have had two dogs over my lifetime and neither were dangerous breeds nor allowed off the lead in public. I now live in a townhouse - no garden - so no dog and I would like one again.