IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[GrowlerG]

I.mean,this is literally what happened....your allowed for outside the establishment,but they aren't ever allowed into power or any say here ,even when they get the most votes
...

SF didn't run enough candidates as a result couldn't win enough seats. Simple as that. Otherwise they had it won. Kinda hard to blame anyone other than themselves for that one.

Since then they had a number of controversies and tbh kinda faded from their peak.

[Setanta]

Off the top of my head without thinking hard, The new popular front in France last year and much closer to home, FF/Eamon de valera in 1948 & 1954, FF/Jack Lynch in 1973, FF/Charles J Haughey in June 1981 & November 1982.

Are you not the least bit perturbed,that 3 of your 4 examples are from Ireland?..not doing grate work of suggesting Ireland isn't corrupt and undemocratic,is it?


We aren't allowed have anyone else in power here,you and I won't ever see change by ballot box here in our lifetimes,I can assure you of this 100%,there's too much corruption gone on here to ever allow it

[Setanta]

SF didn't run enough candidates as a result couldn't win enough seats. Simple as that. Otherwise they had it won. Kinda hard to blame anyone other than themselves for that one.

Since then they had a number of controversies and tbh kinda faded from their peak.

I can guarantee you 100% they would never be allowed into government,noone from outside the establishment is here


You and I won't ever see change via ballot box,after the establishment was allowed pull that scam off unquestioned by the lame stream media.....dunno why anyone would vote for them,only to at least say you aren't party to the corruption here,may as well vote for the racists at same time too,but you won't ever be allowed have a say in running of state....the establishment simply won't allow it

[GrowlerG]

I've seen lots of different govt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_cabinets_since_1919

The facts don't support your theory.

SF have been one of the weakest parties I've ever seen in my lifetime as opposition. While individual members might make
great points. The party itself, the policies are a nonsense. It's holding them back in elections. They've failed to keep the govt in check. They just haven't been very good.

[GrowlerG]

How did this thread get from immigration to elections.

It's very hard to take a stance against immigration considering how many Irish have emigrated. Certainly the govt has failed to manage it, or the housing crisis.

[John]

How did this thread get from immigration to elections.

It's very hard to take a stance against immigration considering how many Irish have emigrated. Certainly the govt has failed to manage it, or the housing crisis.

Even though I'm totally against the amounts of fake refugees coming in, I would say that a lot of the anger in towns and villages about ipass centers is the same type of hysteria we saw from imbeciles in 20/21 who were calling for the army to shoot people who were more than 2km away from home.

[Setanta]

I've seen lots of different govt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_cabinets_since_1919

The facts don't support your theory.

SF have been one of the weakest parties I've ever seen in my lifetime as opposition. While individual members might make
great points. The party itself, the policies are a nonsense. It's holding them back in elections. They've failed to keep the govt in check. They just haven't been very good.

By yous link,since 1932 the establishment have held power here(longer if you'd include their previous manifestations)....do you really feel,this underpins a claim we are allowed government from outside the establishment?

The party itself, the policies are a nonsense. It's holding them back in elections. They've failed to keep the govt in check. They just haven't been very good.

It deosnt matter what they do or dont do,they won't ever be allowed into power here,even if they get the most votes,the establishment simply won't allow it.... We're not allowed people from outside the establishment into government.... democracy is dead in the free state,not that there was ever anything other than a veneer of it here anyway

[GrowlerG]

SF effectively created FF and FG, and by association the current political system. The establishment is SF.

[Setanta]

SF effectively created FF and FG, and by association the current political system. The establishment is SF.

And now they aren't allowed into government,what does this tell you, about how bad things are here??

The establishment bring in immigrants to dump them on the streets as a stop gap,while they develop ipas centres,I read on tik tok,that gaa fellow took in 200 million euro in this scam.....hence why we aren't allowed vote for anyone outside the establishment,they are plundering so much,this won't ever be changed now,it's a pure cash cow....why would they allow someone else into power and disrupt their money train?


The country that brought you industrial schools,forced adoptions,mother and baby home,now imposes ipas and direct provision to profit off people who aren't even allowed to vote....but woe betide anyone who suggests there is any corruption here

[GrowlerG]

So what you're saying is everything here is corrupt. Including SF.

[marhay70]

FF and FG are far too cosy with big business and others with sway in this country. Whether it be in terms of close family members in senior executive positions or close ties inside farming, sporting and other organisations. Reciprocal favours would not be unknown, and without question, John and Mary citizen would not figure in the cost/benefit analysis. Some years ago there was a suspicion that a Local Councillor and former minister in my constituency contrived to have the boundary of a main road moved to his monetary benefit. This, of course, never saw the light of day as his party were in a majority on the council but in recent times, a super hotel has been given planning permission, contrary to the Local Area Plan. This hotel is about as necessary as an ashtray on a motorbike, tourism in the area would not support it and it is totally out of keeping with the area. So why is it being built and as a reversal of initial planning? The answer is simple to folks around the locality and may or may not have to do with the refusal of planning for an IPAS centre in a nearby town. But then, one of the Government Party TDs lives there.

[Setanta]

So what you're saying is everything here is corrupt. Including SF.

I'm saying,look at who's profiting off this mess,and their links by blood, business,friendship and marriage to the establishment....and you'll understand why we aren't allowed have anyone else in government

The whole thing from bike shelters to ipas centres is legalised plunder and corruption....enforced against the ordinary person here by the establishment.....how many people have taken thousands,no mind millions off the state in this farce,whole thing is covered up.....people have been beat down by endless propaganda since day one of the free state to accept the establishment narrative (hence why we aren't allowed discuss the civil war in detail,the newly imposed green agenda,or critise mega corporation),that imposing this into the country is only a small extension of their agenda to enrich themselves

[GrowlerG]

It's probably owned by SF. Didn't they have the largest property empire of all the parties.

[Setanta]

It's probably owned by SF. Didn't they have the largest property empire of all the parties.

Couldn't tell ya pal,they aren't allowed into government so don't particularly follow em,if they are profiting and linked to ipas,they are every bit as corrupt as the establishment


We're spending billions upon billions on this,and noone is accountable for where the money is going....and we're (gubu aside) not allowed point out the corruption and plunder of public money involved.....the country is falling apart,from housing to healthcare,to policing and education while the establishment makes off with money to fix it and brings in more and more unfortunates to imprison in ipas and direct provision centres so they can profit further from their misery,while society collaspes here

[GrowlerG]

How is it on the national broadcaster, national media, if they aren't allowed to mention it.

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2022/0302/1 ... t-country/

https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations- ... thorities/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41180287.html

[kadman]

Some of those links make for miserable reading. Accountability is non existent.Its criminal.

[GrowlerG]

It's amazing no one spotted it before now...

[Bubblypop]

And now they aren't allowed into government,what does this tell you, about how bad things are here??

The establishment bring in immigrants to dump them on the streets as a stop gap,while they develop ipas centres,I read on tik tok,that gaa fellow took in 200 million euro in this scam.....hence why we aren't allowed vote for anyone outside the establishment,they are plundering so much,this won't ever be changed now,it's a pure cash cow....why would they allow someone else into power and disrupt their money train?


The country that brought you industrial schools,forced adoptions,mother and baby home,now imposes ipas and direct provision to profit off people who aren't even allowed to vote....but woe betide anyone who suggests there is any corruption here

..hence why we aren't allowed vote for anyone outside the establishment


Can you explain this? Because I can vote for whoever I want and so can everyone else in the country?

[Setanta]

..hence why we aren't allowed vote for anyone outside the establishment


Can you explain this? Because I can vote for whoever I want and so can everyone else in the country?

Yous can vote for em alright,but noone outside the establishment is allowed into government here,even if they get the most votes

What value do you place on a vote,that will never be allowed have a say?.....even if the public do vote for something like the triple lock,the government will simply take it away without giving anyone a say,what value is that vote?

[Setanta]

How is it on the national broadcaster, national media, if they aren't allowed to mention it.

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2022/0302/1 ... t-country/

https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations- ... thorities/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41180287.html

And yet not a single article naming those involved in plundering resources with over priced public contracts,nor accountability for the billions we've thrown at direct provision...

It's the same as the money fúcked away to business on covid expenditure....the e350 a week folks got to stay home,was the small amount,while business and mega corporations made off with the vast majority of expenditure.....did anyone ever stump up the millions made off with for ventilators,that didn't work....or is that another lump of public money pissed away to government linked businesses??

The money being taken from the public here,while country falls apart and noone allowed speak out against it is astonishing....even that Ukrainian payment to put em up in the back room,there was noone actually checked how many were being put up,just horse money out fraudulently,while public service fall apart here

[GrowlerG]

Have you considered everyone else can find these articles and speak about it, but only you can't. Maybe there's a secret govt team of people hiding all this information from you.

Have you considered Gubu is actually run by the establishment to make you think you can post to the world but actually no one else can see it.

[kadman]

Has John Brady actually made any difference to the PAC, since he has been the chairperson. He has made references to accountability for government wastage , but it looks like PAC has no real power to make anyone accountable.

[GrowlerG]

You need to look at the north to see how SF fair in govt and immigration policies. How it has managed spending there vs it's rhetoric in the South.

Maybe Elon could come in and sort it out.

[Setanta]

You need to look at the north to see how SF fair in govt and immigration policies. How it has managed spending there vs it's rhetoric in the South.

Maybe Elon could come in and sort it out.

You can't keep blaming people who aren't allowed into government,for the state of the country.....


Who needs responsibility and accountability,when the establishment can blame everyone else for their corruption .....no wonder the country is such a fcuking dump and we aren't allowed have any change here.


SF aren't allowed into government in the south,even when they get the most votes,their rethoric is irrelevant

[Setanta]

Has John Brady actually made any difference to the PAC, since he has been the chairperson. He has made references to accountability for government wastage , but it looks like PAC has no real power to make anyone accountable.

The government aren't going to allow accountability,they've gotten too used to getting rich off it,it's a veneer of democracy exists here

Accountability is only for the ordinary person,not the establishment....you can be jailed for no TV licence,hauled before courts for possession of minute amounts of weed,but not for fleecing the state for hundreds of millions in direct provision....why would they change it?