Israel and Palestine

[Adso_of_Melk]

If this hamas loving radical becomes mayor of NYC, get the feck outta there, there is going to be pogroms in New York, guarantee it..

[knownunknown]

If this hamas loving radical becomes mayor of NYC, get the feck outta there, there is going to be pogroms in New York, guarantee it..

These are the people who voted for him.

[PureIsle]

Does a leopard to change his spots ? Obviously not!

https://x.com/JasonBNicholas/status/1771670635506225207


https://x.com/JasonBNicholas/status/1771670637926350964

Regardless any historical viewpoint, anyone supporting the current genocide and war crimes of those Zionists deserves bad things to happen to them.
Despicable creatures all! They learned well from the Nazis.

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https://www.thefreelancenews.org/home/s ... g-genocide

[PureIsle]

Says it all ...

[NewBroom]

All I know is that things will never, ever be the same for the state of Israel again. They've engaged in wars and attacks before, horrified people but generally the birth of their state and the reasons behind it, smoothed out the concerns.

Not anymore, they've gone way too far in these current wars and attacks on their neighbours. I don't see any way back. If we get orders or bookings from Israel now the money is returned and they are told they are not welcome. That they are living in a pariah state and will be for the next couple of generations at least. Sometimes that's all we as ordinary appalled citizens can do, boycott and refuse to have anything to do with their citizens.

[knownunknown]

All I know is that things will never, ever be the same for the state of Israel again. They've engaged in wars and attacks before, horrified people but generally the birth of their state and the reasons behind it, smoothed out the concerns.

Not anymore, they've gone way too far in these current wars and attacks on their neighbours. I don't see any way back. If we get orders or bookings from Israel now the money is returned and they are told they are not welcome. That they are living in a pariah state and will be for the next couple of generations at least. Sometimes that's all we as ordinary appalled citizens can do, boycott and refuse to have anything to do with their citizens.

They haven’t gone far enough until all the hostages are returned, dozens still are being tortured in captivity since October 7th some 2 years later. Would you be ok rotting in a dark damp basement somewhere for Hamas’ political cause? Would you be ok with it if it were your family? Lost, but now found is what Varadker said of baby Emily who was kidnapped by Hamas terrorists. https://x.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1728535065242612184

We know these prisoners were and are being tortured because that’s what they’ve said once they’ve been rescued from Hamas.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... re-in-gaza

Israel are doing everything possible to protect the people of Palestine, the civilians. From warning of warzones before they exist, telling civilians to move before they attack, to supplying food, medicine and water. It is Hamas that have said the responsibility for protecting the civilians is on the U.N. And Israel, not them. They have thousands of miles of underground tunnels that they only use to attack Israel from, they won’t allow civilians to use them for harbour. They use them to transport rockets, hide prisoners, and spring attacks in Israel.

They were the ones elected by the people of Palestine, the civilians should be their main priority. This is why people say Hamas use them as “human shields” because they launch their rockets from schools and hospitals, knowing they either get to attack Israel with impunity or Israel will be forced to respond and civilians will die, which helps Hamas cause in the international stage “look Israel killed civilians!”



Yes lots of people have died, but how many of them were Hamas soldiers? I guess we’ll never know because they only wear their uniforms when parading dead Israeli bodies to the sound of festive music. Not wearing uniforms is a war crime. Taking civilians as hostage is a war crime. Some estimates are 1:1 soldiers to civilian deaths ratio, which is still way too many civilians dead, but is far less of a death ratio to any war that has happened anywhere. For such a built up area, one of the highest densities of civilians ever in war, this is some achievement.

[knownunknown]

The only way forward is that Hamas must lose. Every time they’ve nearly lost over the years the international community steps in, makes a ceasefire, gives Hamas time to rearm and retrain and then another attack happens. They need to lose this time.

The plo have continually delayed elections in the West Bank, because they are afraid Hamas will come to power there too.

When they last lost the elections to them in Gaza in 2006, the plo were supposed to be part of a minority holding about 40 seats to Hamas 60/70. Instead Hamas threw the plo off rooftops to their death and assumed total control. The only thing Hamas are interested in is wiping Israel off the map.

The PLO although also having a history of terrorism are a far easier to deal with. They are willing to make concessions and cooperate, unlike Hamas. They were the ones involved in the Oslo Accords and they believe in things like elections. Once they come into power in Gaza everything will settle down and things will get better.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-say ... ince-2006/

[Setanta]

The only way forward is that Hamas must lose. Every time they’ve nearly lost over the years the international community steps in, makes a ceasefire, gives Hamas time to rearm and retrain and then another attack happens. They need to lose this time.

The plo have continually delayed elections in the West Bank, because they are afraid Hamas will come to power there too.

When they last lost the elections to them in Gaza in 2006, the plo were supposed to be part of a minority holding about 40 seats to Hamas 60/70. Instead Hamas threw the plo off rooftops to their death and assumed total control. The only thing Hamas are interested in is wiping Israel off the map.

The PLO although also having a history of terrorism are a far easier to deal with. They are willing to make concessions and cooperate, unlike Hamas. They were the ones involved in the Oslo Accords and they believe in things like elections. Once they come into power in Gaza everything will settle down and things will get better.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-say ... ince-2006/

600 days of war,400K dead,Gaza carpet bombed for persuit of folk in tunnels,85% of its population at stage 5 malnutrition.....why would people vote for anyone else now,hamas are literally only people in the world who have stood up against this onslaught


If your family was slaughtered,would you like down and accept it,or support anyone pushing back?

They simply can't be defeated,no more than the pira,or viet Cong could be.... because a handy cell of less than 12 could tie down troops and resources in an area for months/years,and as soon as they are taken out,two more cells will emerge elsewhere....only thing is, Israel genocide has created a surviving population of 1.8 million traumatized to recruit from

[knownunknown]

600 days of war,400K dead,Gaza carpet bombed for persuit of folk in tunnels,85% of its population at stage 5 malnutrition.....why would people vote for anyone else now,hamas are literally only people in the world who have stood up against this onslaught


If your family was slaughtered,would you like down and accept it,or support anyone pushing back?

They simply can't be defeated,no more than the pira,or viet Cong could be.... because a handy cell of less than 12 could tie down troops and resources in an area for months/years,and as soon as they are taken out,two more cells will emerge elsewhere....only thing is, Israel genocide has created a surviving population of 1.8 million traumatized to recruit from

They can be defeated the same was Isis was defeated. Many civilians died in that because Hamas and Isis are one and the same, they don’t care about civilian deaths, in fact it boosts their standing on the international stage and donations come flooding in.

The people of Gaza have protested against Hamas recently I posted dozens of clips, you couldn’t have missed them, you are ignoring them. The people are thankful that Israel is supplying food and medicine for free that Hamas charges them for.

Have you got some data to back up your assertion of 400k dead because even the Hamas ministry of health put it at 60k, which is still way too many deaths.

As of 20 July 2025, over 61,200 people (59,220 Palestinians[4][8] and 1,983 Israelis[c]) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt ... e_Gaza_war

I still think this number is higher than reality but with the fog of war we won’t know until everything is over.

[knownunknown]

Not even posted by me. If you were ruled over by a terrorist regime that doesn’t care about you, charges you money for humanitarian assistance, and doesn’t allow you to shelter in tunnels then you would also protest this group in power. The same is true of anyone, anywhere. You would fecking hate them.

Millions of Arabs and Palestinians live in Israel, they fight for Israel. Before October 7th tens of thousands of Palestinians would travel to Israel for work. How many Jews live in Gaza?

Israel is the exemplar of a two state solution, it is Hamas that are only happy with one state.

[knownunknown]

Al Jazeera are framing it as “gazans protest against the war” when it is clear the gazans are protesting against Hamas. It’s times like these you need to sit up and pay attention to the media and what they want you to believe and realize it differs from the truth because they are pushing a narrative.


https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsf ... st-the-war

Not a word on rte about how gazans are protesting against the terrorist organisation that rules over them with an iron fist. Nothing. They reported extensively on the “we march with Palestine” protests here in Ireland just a few days ago but when it turns out gazans want Hamas out not a peep.

https://www.rte.ie/video/id/23926/

Here’s another one from earlier in the year. Gazan : “why are Hamas hiding among civilians? Go hide in hell instead”.

Why aren’t we hearing more interviews from the people of Gaza? Because they upset this narrative nicely crafted by Hamas and propagated by our western media.

This Gazan says the cheap food is arriving by the shalom crossing, a crossing Hamas has attacked with rockets four times this month already. If there is famine it’s Hamas who are inflicting it.
Of course he’s risking his life just by uttering these words, because if Hamas found out they’d slaughter him.

For anyone who missed these.

[knownunknown]

Not a word on rte about how gazans are protesting against the terrorist organisation that rules over them with an iron fist. Nothing. They reported extensively on the “we march with Palestine” protests here in Ireland just a few days ago but when it turns out gazans want Hamas out not a peep.

https://www.rte.ie/video/id/23926/

Rte posted this article the day after my post, so I guess it should be noted. Still way too long after it initially happened though.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/202 ... za-israel/

[Setanta]

They can be defeated the same was Isis was defeated. Many civilians died in that because Hamas and Isis are one and the same, they don’t care about civilian deaths, in fact it boosts their standing on the international stage and donations come flooding in.

The people of Gaza have protested against Hamas recently I posted dozens of clips, you couldn’t have missed them, you are ignoring them. The people are thankful that Israel is supplying food and medicine for free that Hamas charges them for.

Have you got some data to back up your assertion of 400k dead because even the Hamas ministry of health put it at 60k, which is still way too many deaths.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt ... e_Gaza_war

I still think this number is higher than reality but with the fog of war we won’t know until everything is over.

They can be defeated the same was Isis was defeated. Many civilians died in that because Hamas and Isis are one and the same,

And when is this defeat going to happen, because last I checked Isis,which has never attacked Israel,is still about and Isreal was arming Isis linked militants inside gaza

The people are thankful that Israel is supplying food and medicine for free that Hamas charges them for

Is this the food and medicine where 2,800 people havebeen slaughtered receiving and Israel army holds shooting competition on children with them turning up one day in the hospital all shot in one leg,the next day in the opposite leg etc?

How many are cheering for this now?

Have you got some data to back up your assertion of 400k dead

Pre war population 2.2 million, ceasefire UN sought aid for 1.8 million.....care to guess how many remaining survivors Israel and trump estimated needed relocating (ethnic cleansing) in April??.....it wouldn't be even less than 1.8 million,by any chance,would it.....did it never occur to you,to not question why Israel was so suddenly desperate to accept the hamas figures of confirmed dead,but not the estimates of those missing, slaughtered in the rubble of a carpet bombed Gaza?,or does critical thinking abandon itself once you see Israel saying anything?

[knownunknown]

Is this the food and medicine where 2,800 people havebeen slaughtered receiving and Israel army holds shooting competition on children with them turning up one day all shot in one leg,the next day in the opposite leg etc?

How many are cheering for this now?

Pre war population 2.2 million, ceasefire UN sought aid for 1.8 million.....care to guess how many remaining survivors Israel and trump estimated needed relocating in April??.....it wouldn't be even less than 1.8 million,by any chance,would it.....did it never occur to you,to not question why Israel was so suddenly desperate to accept the hamas figures of confirmed dead,but not the estimates of those missing, slaughtered in the rubble of a carpet bombed Gaza?,or does critical thinking abandon itself once you see Israel saying anything?

You’ve done this continually throughout the thread, you say there is a genocide with 400k civilian deaths, then when asked for evidence of your assertion you change to subject to displacement. When I address the issues with displacement you move onto something else.

Have you got any evidence for this new assertion?

2,800 people havebeen slaughtered receiving and Israel army holds shooting competition on children with them turning up one day all shot in one leg

The IDF must fight Hamas to retrieve their hostages and to defeat Hamas. Displacing civilians is the more humane way since if they weren’t displaced they would die instead. They are allowed to return once fighting ends.

There was no carpet bombing. Most of the bombs being used were of the heavy variety intended to destroy terrorist networks embedded in tunnels deep underground. If they wanted to carpet bomb they could use mortars that are not selective in targeting and are orders of magnitude cheaper, that they wouldn’t need to source from the Americans. Conventional weapons are far better at carpet bombing at a fraction of the cost.

I don’t expect you to provide evidence of what you say because throughout thr thread you never have. I get the feeling you’re reading some far left rags or anti semitic outlets that you are scared to be associated with if you post them up.

[knownunknown]

Ai overview of Hamas and their goals.
Sorry for what appears to be spamming the thread but there is so much mis representation of the facts in the media and I feel the need to correct this bullshit.

Who Are Hamas?
Hamas (short for Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah, or "Islamic Resistance Movement") is a Palestinian Islamist political and militant organization founded in 1987 during the First Intifada (uprising against Israeli occupation). It originated as an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

It has both a political wing (which governs the Gaza Strip) and a military wing, known as the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, which carries out armed operations.

What Are Hamas's Policies and Motives?
Their policies and motives are rooted in three primary areas:

Resistance Against Israel:
Hamas sees the State of Israel as an occupying force and its foundational ideology (particularly in earlier documents) called for Israel's elimination.
It has used a combination of guerrilla warfare, rocket attacks, suicide bombings, and kidnappings to pursue this aim.
Islamist Governance:
Hamas promotes an Islamic state based on Sharia law in what it views as historic Palestine.
Since taking over Gaza in 2007, it has implemented Islamic-oriented laws, though not a full theocracy.
Palestinian Nationalism:
Hamas aims to represent and lead the Palestinian people, especially as a rival to Fatah and the Palestinian Authority, which it sees as too conciliatory toward Israel.
While originally rejecting the Oslo Accords and any peace process, it has since sent signals of openness to long-term truces (hudnas) and even a two-state solution under specific terms — though without recognizing Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state.
Hamas's Founding Charter vs. Updated Positions
1988 Charter:

Called for jihad (holy war) to reclaim all of Palestine “from the river to the sea.”
Framed the conflict in religious terms, seeing it as a war between Islam and Judaism (not just Israel).
2017 Policy Document:

Slightly softened positions:
Accepted the idea of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders (without recognizing Israel).
Rejected equating Judaism with Zionism — emphasizing opposition to Zionist occupation, not Jews as a people.
Continued to assert armed resistance as a right.
What Is Hamas’s End Goal?
The ultimate goal, based on their ideological framework, has historically been:

The creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in all of historic Palestine, which includes present-day Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza.
While the 2017 document suggests tactical flexibility (e.g., a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza), there’s no indication that Hamas has formally abandoned its long-term vision of eliminating Israel.

In practical terms:

Short-term goal: End of Israeli occupation, lifting of the blockade on Gaza, international recognition of Palestinian rights.
Long-term goal: Full Palestinian sovereignty over all land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

[Setanta]

You’ve done this continually throughout the thread, you say there is a genocide with 400k civilian deaths, then when asked for evidence of your assertion you change to subject to displacement. When I address the issues with displacement you move onto something else.

Have you got any evidence for this new assertion?


The IDF must fight Hamas to retrieve their hostages and to defeat Hamas. The IDF must fight Hamas to retrieve their hostages and to defeat Hamas.since if they weren’t displaced they would die instead. They are allowed to return once fighting ends.

There was no carpet bombing. Most of the bombs being used were of the heavy variety intended to destroy terrorist networks embedded in tunnels deep underground. If they wanted to carpet bomb they could use mortars that are not selective in targeting and are orders of magnitude cheaper, that they wouldn’t need to source from the Americans. Conventional weapons are far better at carpet bombing at a fraction of the cost.

I don’t expect you to provide evidence of what you say because throughout thr thread you never have. I get the feeling you’re reading some far left rags or anti semitic outlets that you are scared to be associated with if you post them up.

You’ve done this continually throughout the thread, you say there is a genocide with 400k civilian deaths, then when asked for evidence of your assertion you change to subject to displacement

There's 400K missing,who didn't need food, Israel themselves expect 1.7 million survivors,where are they then, because you've been unable to show to me where they are,how is that?

The IDF must fight Hamas to retrieve their hostages and to defeat Hamas

Mate,they are having shooting competition on children queuing for food,this was never about hamas

There was no carpet bombing

Ha ha ha,the party asks you to reject the evidence of your own eyes,they go house to house bombing theme and have destroyed 90% of buildings there....the left,really have a problem with reality

Conventional weapons are far better at carpet bombing at a fraction of the cost

The yanks are paying for it,cost is no an issue.... actually is it true,the woke bombed all the buildings of Gaza (war crimes btw),in a self admitting mission to attack people in tunnels

get the feeling you’re reading some far left rags or anti semitic outlets that you are scared to be associated with if you post them up.

The left are gas,the UN,trump, Israel themselves are now regarded as left rags and anti sematic....they aren't shouting it from the rooftops,but it's fairly easy to deduce they've slaughtered 400K+ from.basic INTERNETING


What do you think the punishment should be for any country anywhere,if it turns out they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people??....or do the left simply refuse to believe in principle of consequence for actions?

[Setanta]

Ai overview of Hamas and their goals.
Sorry for what appears to be spamming the thread but there is so much mis representation of the facts in the media and I feel the need to correct this bullshit.

mis representation of the facts in the media

Are you not concerned that your link deosnt provide any actual content from the hamas updated charter of 2017?


What is the long term plan,when people vote for hamas/it's replacement as it's the only people in the world who even attempted to slow down the genocide and carpet bombing in Gaza?

Because logically the only conclusion for trump and nethanyu is a complete murder of the remaining population of Palestine now,there's nothing to stop them now,

The left and lame stream media are dense as hell,still crying for aid,when I told yous months ago,them folk need weapons and alot of them to defend themselves first and foremost the yanks and Israel are bent on killing them all....if someone can't defend themselves, their family, property, neighbourhood and country,you've essentially taken away their basic humanity and rights imo

[knownunknown]

Are you not concerned that your link deosnt provide any actual content from the hamas updated charter of 2017?


What is the long term plan,when people vote for hamas/it's replacement as it's the only people in the world who even attempted to slow down the genocide and carpet bombing in Gaza?

Because logically the only conclusion for trump and nethanyu is a complete murder of the remaining population of Palestine now,there's nothing to stop them now,

The left and lame stream media are dense as hell,still crying for aid,when I told yous months ago,them folk need weapons and alot of them to defend themselves first and foremost the yanks and Israel are bent on killing them all....if someone can't defend themselves, their family, property, neighbourhood and country,you've essentially taken away their basic humanity and rights imo

So you’ve no evidence of your assertions other than to say I’m wrong. Not an interesting discussion at all. Have you got any evidence of 400k people are missing or dead? Have you any evidence of a genocide? Why do you keep ignoring the clips of gazan citizens saying they hate Hamas and they are solely at fault? The Hamas charter is there for all the see, I’ve read it and come across it numerous times. I’m sick of providing evidence for you to ignore.

The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.

Israel has existed since 1948 and they never got over it even after three wars started by them.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

[knownunknown]

Ha ha ha,the party asks you to reject the evidence of your own eyes,they go house to house bombing theme and have destroyed 90% of buildings there....the left,really have a problem with reality

Buildings destroyed does not equate to carpet bombing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/id ... 2b2787cf59

It’s not a funny subject.

[knownunknown]

Setanta, wherever you’re getting your information, they are lying to you. They are abusing you. Search for other sources. They are repeating Hamas propaganda without checking facts. Get your information elsewhere. Al Jazeera is fecking terrible, basically an extension of Hamas. Rte is nearly as bad. They repeated ad nauseum that the deaths were “mostly women and children” before this myth was finally dispelled, never apologized and never retracted. They did though go back and change their headlines, retrospectively. Disgusting carry on for a media outlet. Something often repeated on this thread until the facts finally came out' I’d say it was said here hundreds of times, by you included.

BBC is pretty accurate, mostly. If you posted up where you’re getting these “facts” I can give you more specifics.

Tracing the origins of the 400,000 ‘disappeared’ figure in Gaza attributed to a Harvard study
A misinterpretation of an Israeli study, which itself contains a numerical error, was the source of this erroneous information.

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article ... tudy.htmlg

[knownunknown]

GHF discloses 12 of its local staff members murdered by Hamas, others tortured in Gaza

Hamas has also “pre-positioned armed operatives near humanitarian zones in an effort to disrupt the only functioning aid delivery system in Gaza.”

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-859425

GHF is the new agency tasked with with distributing aid, following Israel’s removal of the last organization that did that, UNRWA.

The UN said on Monday that nine staff working for its Palestine refugee agency UNRWA will be sacked because they may have been involved in the 7 October 2023 Hamas-led attacks against Israel

link
Why would Hamas be targeting GHf, placing bounties on their heads and torturing their employees?

Because when aid was distributed by UNRWA Hamas got first dibs on everything and sold it, yes life saving medicine and food, sold it to the residents of Gaza. They have lost their income stream.

This tweet, later deleted by UNRWA, was posted 9 days after the Oct 7th attacks. Hamas took whatever they wanted.

Here’s another source https://www.wsj.com/opinion/gaza-aid-un ... el-45bfbfe

The Gaza Hospital and the Missing Aid
Hamas steals from a U.N. refugee agency, which plays along.

And another source, a resident of Gaza.






It’s clear as day who is actually trying to help the people of Gaza, and if you willfully ignore this and spread misinformation you are just a mouthpiece for a terrorist organization.

[Setanta]

So you’ve no evidence of your assertions other than to say I’m wrong. Not an interesting discussion at all. Have you got any evidence of 400k people are missing or dead? Have you got any evidence of 400k people are missing or dead? Why do you keep ignoring the clips of gazan citizens saying they hate Hamas and they are solely at fault? The Hamas charter is there for all the see, I’ve read it and come across it numerous times. I’m sick of providing evidence for you to ignore.


Israel has existed since 1948 and they never got over it even after three wars started by them.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

Have you got any evidence of 400k people are missing or dead

Where are the missing 400K from when UN sought aid during ceasefire?,where the the missing 500K.trump.and co plan to re-locate/ethnic cleanse?
If they are not dead,where are they,you don't subscribe to theory there's 400K dont eat?

Why do you keep ignoring the clips of gazan citizens saying they hate Hamas and they are solely at fault?

Because Im.not. A child....I believe in personal responsibility,and it isn't hamas who is reigning bombs down,commiting a genocide and using children queuing for aid,for target practice/shooting competitions....the minute Israel and it's associates accept responsibility for the genocide and carpet bombing they've undertaken il watch the video

The Hamas charter is there for all the see, I’ve read it and come across it numerous times. I’m sick of providing evidence for you to ignore.

Have you read the updated one,and would you agree it supercedes and makes earlier ones irrelevant?

Israel has existed since 1948 and they never got over it even after three wars started by them

Is it true 90% plus of fighting since,has taken place on lands designated to Palestine in 1948?

[Setanta]

Setanta, wherever you’re getting your information, they are lying to you. They are abusing you. Search for other sources. They are repeating Hamas propaganda without checking facts. Get your information elsewhere. Al Jazeera is fecking terrible, basically an extension of Hamas. Rte is nearly as bad. They repeated ad nauseum that the deaths were “mostly women and children” before this myth was finally dispelled, never apologized and never retracted. They did though go back and change their headlines, retrospectively. Disgusting carry on for a media outlet. Something often repeated on this thread until the facts finally came out' I’d say it was said here hundreds of times, by you included.

BBC is pretty accurate, mostly. If you posted up where you’re getting these “facts” I can give you more specifics.



https://today.lorientlejour.com/article ... tudy.htmlg

They are repeating Hamas propaganda without checking facts

Are you the guy,who rejects they've killed 400K.and want to accept the hamas figures?


Its not a big secret there's only 1.8 million left survivors,but basic INTERNETING will get you to this understanding

[knownunknown]

Is it true 90% plus of fighting since,has taken place on lands designated to Palestine in 1948?

In 1948 Palestinians were offered their own state, the majority of what we’d now call Israel. They refused and said they wanted a one state solution, only theirs. They wanted Israelis to be fish food. Arab armies from five different countries marched on the newly created Israel, they told nearby Arabs to evacuate their homes during the fighting and they would be allowed to return, shortly, after they won. These Arabs never returned to their homes. The ones who didn’t leave their homes are now living freely, in Israel. Israel’s population is about 20% Arab descent. (2.1million people). They enjoy liberties unavailable to them in the Arab world, they work in Israel and fight and die for it. (See “Israel's Arab Warriors“ 2016 documentary)



The problem is they lost the war. Ever since then Arab armies have started umpteen new wars against Israel, with the intent to destroy it and wipe out every Jewish person living there. They lost all those wars too.

In 2000 during the Oslo accords they were again offered their own state much larger than today and refused. They wanted one state only, theirs.

Arabs own every other part of the Middle East(100 times the size of Ireland). The only place in the world that Jewish people are safe is in Israel, about 1/4 the size of Ireland. Even in Ireland we kicked them out because racism. They are the most persecuted race in history.

In 2006 the Israelis removed all Jewish settlers from Gaza AT GUNPOINt and handed it back to the Palestinians, look where that got them.

I used to wonder how the holocaust happened, how could people hate the Jews so much? Now I understand, attitudes like yours. Facts don’t matter, evidence doesn’t matter, you’ll use any stick to beat the Jews with.

Bill Clinton tried to make peace in the Middle East his legacy. He was the one who initiated and led the Oslo accords. Here’s what he had to say about the negotiations with Arafat.




When I say things I back them up with evidence. This is a skill you could learn, otherwise people are just going to accuse you of spouting nonsense.

[knownunknown]

Because Im.not. A child....I believe in personal responsibility,and it isn't hamas who is reigning bombs down,commiting a genocide and using children queuing for aid,for target practice/shooting competitions....the minute Israel and it's associates accept responsibility for the genocide and carpet bombing they've undertaken il watch the video

Well at least the Palestinian people know to blame Hamas for the situation they are in, taking hostages and hiding them among civilians forces Israel’s hand to respond. Planting military equipment and firing at Israel from schools and hospitals forces Israel’s hand. Taking hostages and slaughtering thousands of civilians forces Israel’s hand. They know this, they blame Hamas.

Hamas starve them while they sit in luxurious hotels in Qatar, they use the people who elected them as human shields.

That’s all that matters, they know the truth.

Put yourself in their shoes and you’d realize the same, but it doesn’t matter what you or I think.