Israel and Palestine

[Setanta]

Those borders were never agreed to be the Arabs. That’s why they fought so many wars since. Israel was happy with that proposal. It’s there in black and white, had they agreed to it in 1949 none of this would have happened, but instead 5 nations joined them to wipe Israel off the map.

The US lost control of Afghanistan. They were in control, then they lost it. They didn’t lose a war, they didn’t have enough resources to sustain it. Similar but different.

Germany lost a war, Japan lost a war they lost large amounts of territory, wars that they started to conquer others just like the Arabs initiated vs Israel.

They were however outlined by the UN,thus these are the borders....still can't figure out why control of west bank hasn't been returned 25 years after the deadline to do so,how is that?

Mate,the US did lose in Afghanistan and Vietnam....what part of America is due to the Taliban and Viet cong?,or are you spouting illogical bollocks about countries losing territorie?

[Setanta]

The whole world came together, twice, to make an agreement that would be fair for both parties to live by which the Israelis agreed to and the Arabs didn’t. In 1948 and 1993. That’s why they’re disputed, because they don’t want Israel to exist at all. They want everything while Israel is happy with a portion.

There has never been a Palestinian state, Gaza was largely controlled by Egypt and the West Bank, Jordan. Even today they have two separate authorities that are at war with each other, the PLO who administer the West Bank have called on Hamas to lay down their weapons and release the hostages. They haven’t called on Israel to “stop genociding everyone” they have called on Hamas to surrender.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/2 ... a-hostages

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Don't the plo go street to street in jenin identifying targets for the IDF to kill,like the ric used to do here for the tans?

[knownunknown]

Don't the plo go street to street in jenin identifying targets for the IDF to kill,like the ric used to do here for the tans?

Leaving aside your wild accusations, a pathetic attempt to obfuscate, he’s not wrong though, is he? Hamas should lay down their arms and surrender and release the civilians that they took as hostages.

That’s the best resolution for the people of Gaza. The actual people, not a political cause, not Hamas. How many more civilians do you want to see die?

[Setanta]

Leaving aside your wild accusations, a pathetic attempt to obfuscate, he’s not wrong though, is he? Hamas should lay down their arms and surrender and release the civilians that they took as hostages.

That’s the best resolution for the people of Gaza. The actual people, not a political cause, not Hamas. How many more civilians do you want to see die?

There is nothing wild or obfuscate in this,it's openly acknowledged....if you don't see anything wrong with a political organisation going street to street identifying people to execute,you can't really complain if people take up arms to defend themselves, because there's no hamas in jenin...which was due to been handed over to Palestine quarter of a century ago,but still hasn't been,how is that?

That’s the best resolution for the people of Gaza.

Is it true,there was a negociated programme for release of hostages and end to war,but Israel tore it to carry out mass executions of ambulance drivers and bomb refugees instead,slaughtering 800 in the last 48 hours... Lefties hate this,but the only solution for people of gaza is to arm them properly to defend themselves,so this can never be allowed happen again....400k Gazans dead and missing,I'm.afraid noone believes in taughts and prayers anymore

[knownunknown]

There is nothing wild or obfuscate in this,it's openly acknowledged....if you don't see anything wrong with a political organisation going street to street identifying people to execute,you can't really complain if people take up arms to defend themselves, because there's no hamas in jenin...which was due to been handed over to Palestine quarter of a century ago,but still hasn't been,how is that?



Is it true,there was a negociated programme for release of hostages and end to war,but Israel tore it to carry out mass executions of ambulance drivers and bomb refugees instead,slaughtering 800 in the last 48 hours... Lefties hate this,but the only solution for people of gaza is to arm them properly to defend themselves,so this can never be allowed happen again....400k Gazans dead and missing,I'm.afraid noone believes in taughts and prayers anymore

If Israel put down their weapons then Israel gets destroyed. If Hamas put down their weapons there will be peace for the people of Palestine. The people, not the cause.

[Setanta]

If Israel put down their weapons then Israel gets destroyed. If Hamas put down their weapons there will be peace for the people of Palestine. The people, not the cause.

If Hamas put down their weapons there will be peace for the people of Palestine

What happened sabra and shatlia when palestinian put down their weapons and the militants left?

It's not as if,this taughts and prayers,hippy dippy rubbish hasn't been tried before with Israel


Diplomatic solutions, taughts and prayers have failed,evident by a genocide of 400k missing/dead gazans and the now quarter of a century late hand over of the west bank,when will that happen btw?.....the only solution left is to meet fire with fire,likely station an nuclear weapon or two there,and an armed brigade of 250K men to defend Gaza from ever allowing this to happen again

,there's a reason the short strand in Belfast is still nationlist,a line was drawn in sand after ardoyne,Bombay and Kashmir street the previous years,and nationlists held off an onslaught to burn them out

[PureIsle]

Chairman of the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor Ramy Abdu:

"Out of five trucks that entered Gaza today, two were loaded with shrouds.

White bags labeled 'SHROUDS' in blue—this isn’t food, it’s preparation for mass death. Gaza isn’t being fed. It’s being buried."

[PureIsle]

"The last few days have been filled with massacres and horrific scenes from Gaza. The occupation massacred over 500 people in Gaza in the last three days, men, women, children, the elderly - their bodies scattered throughout the streets or buried under tons of rubble.

Doctors are fainting in hospitals from exhaustion and malnutrition. Children with chronic illnesses are dying from starvation. Journalists who are risking their lives to show the truth are suffering from the total lack of food.

The tragedy in Gaza is incomprehensible while the world watches in silence. The genocide needs to end and the borders need to open but until that happens we need to continue to assist, to help people survive.

The Sameer Project provides food (2,000+ meals per week), water (140,000 liters per day) and tents to those displaced. We also provide medical care including dental, wound changes, infectious diseases campaigns, life saving medication, and special care for complex cases.

With Eid coming up, we urge you to use your zakat and/or sadaqa money to support the people of Gaza who are still suffering after 19 months of genocide. Goods are scarce and war profiteering supported by the military occupation is at an all time high, so we need to do a big push and scale up efforts over the next week to prevent further deaths and illnesses."

Eva Karene Bartlett

[Setanta]

Eva Karene Bartlett

When they can carry out mass executions of ambulance drivers,leave a child to witness it,then seek out that child and kill it

There's no hope for a society like this


it reflects fair bad on the EU that still trade with a regime like this,they should get the Isis treatment,our days of bending to EU policy should end,it deosnt represent our position and it never will

[PureIsle]

Shocking poll: 82% of MUSLIMS support ISIS and support KILLING EVERYONE that breathes in cities that ISIS has captured.

Sorry, that was a type-o. Actually, it is 82% of "ISRAELI" JEWS who support the GENOCIDE of Gaza and KILLING ALL LIVING BEINGS who live in captured cities.

According to a recent poll (https://archive.md/yI4Dy) of "israeli" Jews by the Liberal Zionist newspaper Haaretz:

82% of "Israeli" Jews support ethnically cleansing Gaza.

56% support expelling Arabs who have "israeli" citizenship.

47% support the IDF going and killing all living beings in "conquered cities."

65% accept the Biblical idea of Amalek, the enemy of Israelites, with 93% of that 65% believing that Amalek should be "erased," not much different from various high-ranking "israeli" leaders who have stated they wish to "blot out the memory of Amalek."

Does the Zionist-owned media report on this sickening mentality? Absolutely not. But imagine if polls show that 82% of Muslims supported ISIS, how would the news media react... Such is the totally backwards clown world we live in.

Despite billions of petrodollars from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Arab monarchies to support the spread of Wahabbism around the world, the majority of Muslims still do not support ISIS.

Meanwhile, the majority of Jews in "israel" and the US support Zionism and "israel," according to polling. That is because the pure and divine religion of Moses was distorted into an exclusivistic racist club by the hands of corrupted rabbis over the millenia. If the holy Israelite prophets like Joseph, Moses, David, and Solomon were alive today, they would be the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Ansarallah, and the IRGC, working to eliminate this demonic and illegitimate Zionist entity by any means necessary, not fearing martyrdom in the process.

above copied from Basira Press

There is a reference to the poll in this
https://archive.md/yI4Dy

[Setanta]

above copied from Basira Press

There is a reference to the poll in this
https://archive.md/yI4Dy

The fact,there was been at worst a dozen cases of terrorism by islam from this conflict against Zionists.....


lays to waste decades of anti Muslim propaganda,of them being radicalised....whole world has been played by hasbara type nonsense since the early 2000s

[PureIsle]

ISIS-linked gang leader behind Gaza aid looting resurfaces under Israeli protection
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In Gaza, criminal gang leader Yasser Abu Shabab and others like him have re-emerged under the guise of "securing aid," donning uniforms and claiming to protect the limited humanitarian assistance entering the Strip.

Quds News Network reports that Abu Shabab has "established a fortified base in an Israeli-controlled zone in Rafah," now a kill-zone.

These groups operate under Israeli military protection, routinely looting aid convoys, especially in areas like eastern Rafah and Karem Abu Salem (Kerem Shalom).

Abu Shabab is a known leader of armed gangs linked to ISIS and involved in looting aid under Israeli protection. Last year, The New Arab reported that Abu Shabab, among others, was working alongside hundreds of thieves under the protection of Israeli occupation forces near the Kerem Shalom crossing, the primary entry point for aid convoys. He comes from the Tarabin Bedouin tribe, which spans from Sinai to southern Gaza and the Negev desert, and has been identified in a UN memo as “the main influential figure behind the widespread and organized looting” of aid convoys to Gaza. Operating from eastern Rafah, Abu Shabab leads a group armed thugs who attack trucks carrying food and other critical supplies into Gaza.

Multiple reports, including from Haaretz and The Washington Post, confirm that these gangs have been seen looting in full view of Israeli forces, who neither intervene nor prevent the theft.

Abu Shabab, recently active again on social media, boasts of his gang's coordination, while his armed men beat aid drivers and demand protection money, worsening conditions for a starving population.

Meanwhile, Israel has systematically targeted Palestinian police and security officers assigned to guard aid deliveries. Despite international pressure, only a trickle of aid has been allowed in, with Israel striking those attempting to protect it. While Israel enables and facilitates the looting, its propaganda blames Hamas for stealing aid, deflecting responsibility and masking its own role in orchestrating chaos and famine in Gaza.

-The Cradle

[Setanta]

Isreal has opened fire on Irish troops in the Lebanon today

[PureIsle]

Hamas released footage today of an ambush against what they thought were Israeli Mista'arvim (undercover) soldiers in Rafah

But upon closer inspection, they turned out to be Abu Shabab's gang; the Israel-backed warlord, drug dealer, & serial criminal responsible for looting the vast majority of aid under full IDF Israeli army protection.

Abu Shabab runs a gang of 100-200 armed mercenaries who sat up a military complex in Rafah with Israel's backing.

In the footage, Abu Shabab's mercenaries were walking around a depopulated Rafah freely carrying weapons in front of Israeli troops (currently any Palestinian that walks into Rafah is killed on the spot).

The mercenaries were conducting surveillance activities for Israel of those areas.

A senior Abu Shabab gang leader is identified; Ghassan Al-Dahini is the mercenary running the gang's operation on the ground

He survived this ambush & is believed to still be running the Israel-backed gang.


The IDF Israeli army itself just admitted that (https://news.walla.co.il/item/3753929) Abu Shabab is the gang leader responsible for looting aid.

They left out that he's doing so under full IDF Israeli army protection who allow him to operate this group of armed mercenaries in Rafah.

Why is Israel allowing a criminal gang to loot aid under IDF protection & creating a "security force" out of this very gang?

Israel provides the answer: to engineer a crisis of looting & chaos to justify their new mercenary shell GHF group that weaponizes food for genocide..."

E. K. Bartlett

[Setanta]

E. K. Bartlett

Good catch


They really are an evil group of people,the polling data coming out of Israel makes for grim reading,they're the radicalised terrorists,they've long accused Muslims of being


It's no mistake, virtually every anti islam influencer of past 20 years,turned out to be a Zionist

[PureIsle]

Chairman of the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor Ramy Abdu:

"The Israeli [army] spokesperson published a video suggesting Israel wasn’t responsible for the massacre of starving civilians near the American food distribution point in Rafah, southern Gaza. But the video backfired and turned into a scandal.

The footage actually showed a theft operation in Khan Yunis, not Rafah, by gangs backed by Israel. Civilians tried to retrieve some of the stolen aid, while the gang — operating under Israeli drone surveillance — fired into the air without injuring anyone."

For the record, Israel targets any attempt to secure aid."

-The Cradle

[knownunknown]

A protest was happening in Colorado today, some Jewish group was holding walks in outdoor shopping centres in solidarity with Jewish hostages.

This group was attacked with Molotov cocktails by a man shouting “free Palestine”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev47ze8vp3o

More attacks on Israelis just because they are Israelis this time coming from wales just a few days ago. They kidnapped him. If you start to look for these stories you realise how frequent they are.

Has anyone heard of any similar story of Israelis kidnapping Palestinians world wide? I mean Jews are one of the smallest religions in the world, there’s less than 20 million world wide. To correctly identify one takes some work, probably stalking on social media.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2ljglvv842o

[knownunknown]

-The Cradle

Seems like this story has changed and been updated. Make sure you pay attention to the corrections!

[PureIsle]

Netanyahu justifies arming criminal militias in Gaza

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has confirmed providing weapons to clans in Gaza that he says oppose Hamas, following reports that some members and leaders of these criminal groups were involved in looting humanitarian aid and have links to ISIS, such as Yasser Abu Shabab.

“On the advice of security officials, we activated clans in Gaza that oppose Hamas. What’s wrong with that?” Netanyahu said in a brief video posted on social media. “It only saves the lives of Israeli soldiers, and publicizing this only benefits Hamas.”

[Setanta]

They've armed Isis afflicted militants and released them onto a captive civilan. Population,as soon as they received critism for levels of civilan deaths

[PureIsle]

They've armed Isis afflicted militants and released them onto a captive civilan. Population,as soon as they received critism for levels of civilan deaths

Take a guess who is more likely to steal aid and shoot civilians ...

[PureIsle]

Israeli War Minister Israel Katz:

"I have instructed the IDF to act so that the 'Madleen' flotilla does not reach Gaza.

To the antisemitic Greta and her friends, I say clearly — you better turn back, because you will not reach Gaza."

[PureIsle]

Gaza journalist Abdallah al-Attar:

"This morning, shipments of chocolate, instant noodles, and other goods arrived in Deir al-Balah aboard what are known as “traders’ trucks” — vehicles no thief dares to touch.

Meanwhile, humanitarian aid trucks meant for civilians continue to be looted in the streets.

This stark contrast has left many in Gaza asking: Is there an organized system behind the looting? Why are some trucks untouched, while others are ransacked?

Why are the trucks carrying basic necessities — flour, sugar, oil — stolen, while those delivering non-essential goods that drain Gaza’s limited cash flow remain untouched?"

[PureIsle]

Meanwhile the Madeleine has been accosted in international waters by, at first drones, and later by Israeli boats, threatening them.
Most of us remember the last time Israel did this without consequences.

The crimes of those Zionist Israelis seem endless - despicable examples of humans!

Update:

IDF seizes Freedom Flotilla crew

Shipped to Southern Israel for arrest

[Setanta]

Isreal commits a series of terror attacks in Iran overnight....somehow lefties think this is Iran's fault,and it shouldnt defend itself