IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[ceannairceach]

We have no duty of care to the people of Afghanistan, I have no duty of care to them. As a country it's not our obligation to sort out their political problems.

Afghans should not have been fleeing then or fleeing now, it's their country. Let them stay and sort out their own problems. Why run away, expect others to take you in and leave your country a basket case and your relatives lives at risk?

When this wee country eventually got around to establishing some sort of independence, it was done by those who stayed and made it what it is.

Given that the minute normal people left Afghanistan it reverted back to a complete shithole where women’s rights are non existent I’d say any of the so called “men” from there should be booted out with a kick up the hole asap.

[Bubblypop]

We have no duty of care to the people of Afghanistan, I have no duty of care to them. As a country it's not our obligation to sort out their political problems.

Afghans should not have been fleeing then or fleeing now, it's their country. Let them stay and sort out their own problems. Why run away, expect others to take you in and leave your country a basket case and your relatives lives at risk?

When this wee country eventually got around to establishing some sort of independence, it was done by those who stayed and made it what it is.

Well as a country we do have an obligation to take asylum seekers and refugees because that's what we signed up for when we signed up to the Geneva convention.

[kadman]

We really want the influence of Afghan culture in our society.

https://www.humanium.org/en/bacha-bazi- ... ni-custom/

[quoteBacha Bazi is a custom that has been around Afghan tradition for centuries. However, over time, due to poverty and innumerable tragedies that have infiltrated the society of the region, this tradition got distorted to an extent that is now directly violating human and children´s rights. This practice became excessive once the US Special Forces invaded Afghanistan. The distorted subculture of Afghan pedophilia at the moment represents one of the most horrifying violations of human rights in the world.][/quote]

[ceannairceach]

We really want the influence of Afghan culture in our society.



[quoteBacha Bazi is a custom that has been around Afghan tradition for centuries. However, over time, due to poverty and innumerable tragedies that have infiltrated the society of the region, this tradition got distorted to an extent that is now directly violating human and children´s rights. This practice became excessive once the US Special Forces invaded Afghanistan. The distorted subculture of Afghan pedophilia at the moment represents one of the most horrifying violations of human rights in the world.]

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Despicable … but yeah something something “international responsibility…”

[PogMoThoin22]

Well as a country we do have an obligation to take asylum seekers and refugees because that's what we signed up for when we signed up to the Geneva convention.

Only if they land here, but they don't!

Under Dublin III Regulation if an applicant enters the EU illegally the first EU country of entry should handle the claim.

In summary, Ireland is bound to respect its international obligations under the Geneva Convention to take asylum seekers and refugees but does so within a legal framework that includes protections, procedures, and certain opt-outs that influence the extent and manner of this obligation.

[PogMoThoin22]

I think this was posted before

[NattyO]

The latest media drive to continue with the open borders madness - “we can’t deport anyone because it might make their children sad”

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spot ... 83541.html

If you take this to its logical conclusion, then nobody with children should be subject to any laws - I’m sure the children of thieves, murderers and rapists don’t like it when their parent goes to jail, should they be immune to the consequences of breaking the law too?

We’re long overdue a law that should make the media clearly show when they are publishing propaganda on behalf of immigration NGO’s, similar to how “influencers” have to show when they are being paid to promote a product. A large part of what now passes as news is, in reality, advertising.

[NewBroom]

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/08 ... rotection/

Pretty unusual for the national broadcaster to publish a damning report on the IPAS system - some quotes

"The discussions led to a major increase in funding and staffing as officials were told the system was on the verge of buckling."

"The Department of Justice had refused to release the documents on extra money and staff to deal with International Protection applications. However, following an appeal under FOI laws, they have now released some records which detail how the system had seen a 385% increase in expected applications between 2022 and 2023."

"Most applicants are entitled to reception conditions, including accommodation, access to healthcare and education, and a contribution to weekly expenses while their cases are being processed."

"it warned there was likely to be a simultaneous increase in legal cases because of the likely "increases in negative [International Protection] decisions".

"It also warned of what it said were the "downstream impacts" of an increase in asylum applications. They said that every person granted refugee status or subsidiary protection was entitled to apply for family reunification. The document said: "[Circa] 35 to 40% do so and on average seek permissions for 2.5 family members to be allowed join them."

All matters that have been raised on this and similar threads, routinely denied at point blank by those who defend the influxes.

When RTE are reporting like this in such plain English, we might wonder what the true picture is behind the scenes. Be concerned, very concerned. Write to your TDs now and give them dire warnings to get their act in gear.

[ceannairceach]

The latest media drive to continue with the open borders madness - “we can’t deport anyone because it might make their children sad”

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spot ... 83541.html

If you take this to its logical conclusion, then nobody with children should be subject to any laws - I’m sure the children of thieves, murderers and rapists don’t like it when their parent goes to jail, should they be immune to the consequences of breaking the law too?

We’re long overdue a law that should make the media clearly show when they are publishing propaganda on behalf of immigration NGO’s, similar to how “influencers” have to show when they are being paid to promote a product. A large part of what now passes as news is, in reality, advertising.

This point was raised on Bill Maher’s show the other night - some liberal wing nut crying about “we’re tearing families apart!” by deporting illegal immigrants - the point was rightly raised about prisoners.


You bring a child into the world you are solely responsible for any harm than comes to them due to your actions.

[NattyO]

Journalists are starting to break ranks. I knew this would happen eventually (no society can keep self-evident truths hidden forever), but I thought it would be a while yet. Given that both the IT and RTE recently ran stories exposing elements of the IPAs scam, it is now surely only a matter of time before the dam breaks and all the true horror comes out. Those old enough to remember how the media hid the crimes of the Catholic church until the last possible moment, and then switched completely as if they had always been on the right side will see what's coming next.
There must be some very nervous politicians watching this.



*EDIT* Image doesn't seem to be working, so here's a link to a tweet showing the story: https://x.com/243_cal/status/1957129407274811469

[ceannairceach]

Journalists are starting to break ranks. I knew this would happen eventually (no society can keep self-evident truths hidden forever), but I thought it would be a while yet. Given that both the IT and RTE recently ran stories exposing elements of the IPAs scam, it is now surely only a matter of time before the dam breaks and all the true horror comes out. Those old enough to remember how the media hid the crimes of the Catholic church until the last possible moment, and then switched completely as if they had always been on the right side will see what's coming next.
There must be some very nervous politicians watching this.



*EDIT* Image doesn't seem to be working, so here's a link to a tweet showing the story: https://x.com/243_cal/status/1957129407274811469

The Journal will be the last to show the truth - they might as well rename “the Hamas Times” the stories they’re pushing this week and last.

Who wants unchecked and unvetted immigration from Gaza ??? October is coming up, I imagine they’ve the anniversary party planned. I’d swerve Electric Picnic tbh.

[Jequ0n]

The Journal will be the last to show the truth - they might as well rename “the Hamas Times” the stories they’re pushing this week and last.

Who wants unchecked and unvetted immigration from Gaza ??? October is coming up, I imagine they’ve the anniversary party planned. I’d swerve Electric Picnic tbh.

Same in the uk. Now are now staring to import them via the “poor sick children” route so anyone opposing the idea can be branded a racist as usual.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30z17376ego

[ceannairceach]

Same in the uk. Now are now staring to import them via the “poor sick children” route so anyone opposing the idea can be branded a racist as usual.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30z17376ego

The disinformation is insane - Israel arrange for a cancer patient to receive treatment in Europe, sadly they die - cancer too advanced.

All Israel’s fault apparently. Must be great to have a link to Gaza, no matter how nebulous - you could shag a giraffe by the Spire and you’d be given a grant.

[Jequ0n]

The disinformation is insane - Israel arrange for a cancer patient to receive treatment in Europe, sadly they die - cancer too advanced.

All Israel’s fault apparently. Must be great to have a link to Gaza, no matter how nebulous - you could shag a giraffe by the Spire and you’d be given a grant.

I’m sure Israel could invest a lot into its healthcare system that would not require patients to travel abroad. I just don’t get why politicians think their country needs to get involved and spend money on foreign patients and not their own.

[marhay70]

I’m sure Israel could invest a lot into its healthcare system that would not require patients to travel abroad. I just don’t get why politicians think their country needs to get involved and spend money on foreign patients and not their own.

If we start importing patients from Gaza, or anywhere else for that matter, the country won't be big enough for Martin and Harris to hide in.

[NewBroom]

Journalists are starting to break ranks. I knew this would happen eventually (no society can keep self-evident truths hidden forever), but I thought it would be a while yet. Given that both the IT and RTE recently ran stories exposing elements of the IPAs scam, it is now surely only a matter of time before the dam breaks and all the true horror comes out. Those old enough to remember how the media hid the crimes of the Catholic church until the last possible moment, and then switched completely as if they had always been on the right side will see what's coming next.
There must be some very nervous politicians watching this.

Yes, it is interesting to see cracks appearing. And of course, journos have their egos too - once they see the king exposed and having no clothes on, they'll rush to catch the bandwagon.

[Jequ0n]

Yes, it is interesting to see cracks appearing. And of course, journos have their egos too - once they see the king exposed and having no clothes on, they'll rush to catch the bandwagon.

Nothing to do with ego, but rather vulture behaviour because the situation cannot be salvaged so might as well get exploited for own gain. Human base instincts will always win over bizarre moral concepts that we have developed.

[Hadjibey]

Well as a country we do have an obligation to take asylum seekers and refugees because that's what we signed up for when we signed up to the Geneva convention.

As a country we also have responsibility for the welfare and safety of our own. With the numbers of Irish homeless, the numbers of Irish children and adults waiting for hospital treatment, many children for years, and the many instances of assaults on both Irish and foreign people we are also falling very short , We do not hear the Geneva Convention quoted on these matters. We have also seen a number of asylum seekers unvetted before our courts on serious charges and most of these availing of our system of free legal aid. It's not racist to want the best we can do for our own .

[NattyO]

As a country we also have responsibility for the welfare and safety of our own. With the numbers of Irish homeless, the numbers of Irish children and adults waiting for hospital treatment, many children for years, and the many instances of assaults on both Irish and foreign people we are also falling very short , We do not hear the Geneva Convention quoted on these matters. We have also seen a number of asylum seekers unvetted before our courts on serious charges and most of these availing of our system of free legal aid. It's not racist to want the best we can do for our own .

It's pointless discussing anything with the poster you quoted, but, for the record, we do not have an obligation to take asylum seekers and refugees under the Geneva convention, nor do we have an obligation to take them under any EU regulations. We (meaning the Irish government) choose to take them. It is a frequently-cited falsehood of the open borders crowd that we have "international obligations" to take them - we don't.
The Geneva convention "acknowledges the right of individuals to seek asylum from persecution in other countries" and signees have a "responsibility to examine asylum applications fairly and thoroughly" but states are not required to grant it. We can examine as many as we like, and refuse to take the vast majority that are claiming falsely. Of course, as a rule, we should take some refugees, that's only fair - say, 100 a year would, in my opinion, be more than enough to share the burden, given our small size, remoteness from conflict zones, and no history of imperialism. The current situation, where we take anyone who can get to the airport, documents or no documents, along with our open door policy to EU welfare dependents, Brazilian "students" and Indian "IT workers" and anyone else that wants to escape the slums or a criminal past, is not some international obligation, nor is it some great act of benevolence - it is a deliberate act by our government, through lobbying by foreign-funded NGO's and multinational businesses, in order, by the former to destroy nationalism and individualism, and by the latter to drive down wages and turn the country into a European Bangladesh.

[NewBroom]

As a country we also have responsibility for the welfare and safety of our own.

Not only do we have a responsibility for the welfare and safety of our own, that is our primary and first responsibility.

What is the point of giving birth to and raising Irish citizens if we can't provide them with reasonable prospects that they in turn can form relationships here, find housing, work as productive members of society and have children to carry on Irish society.

Looking after the needs of others, whilst ignoring our own is betrayal and breaking of what's loosely called the 'social contract'.

[NattyO]

Another great addition to the community - https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/20 ... urt-hears/

Romanian arrives here three months ago, attacks a 63 year old bus driver with an iron bar in broad daylight for no reason. Has to be pepper-sprayed by the guards after resisting arrest. Of course he is on the dole, and gets free legal aid. No doubt a stern suspended sentence coming up.

[kadman]

What i would be asking is how the fek did Mr Biraz have a bloody job at all if he had no PPS number. Its not like you cant check that during an interview. His employer should be up on charges as well in facilitating illegal work practices. If this guy has no PPS number, then he is an illegal as far as i can see, and should be fucked out. Of course its taking advantage of low wages in an illegal section of the labour market.

[NewBroom]

In a nondescript midlands town recently, lots of IPAS guests, mostly male hanging around the main street. Staying in run down apartment block, owner likely making a fortune.

Has the government any plan at all for these people other than putting them out of sight? Where and how are they going to live? Who's going to fund them and provide services? If they get work, who are they displacing from those jobs? If they get housing, who are they displacing?

Irish society can't just bury it's head in the sand or in the Irish Times and hope all this goes away. It is affecting increasing number of citizens and Irish society & culture is changing irrevocably before our eyes.

[Bubblypop]

Only if they land here, but they don't!

Under Dublin III Regulation if an applicant enters the EU illegally the first EU country of entry should handle the claim.

In summary, Ireland is bound to respect its international obligations under the Geneva Convention to take asylum seekers and refugees but does so within a legal framework that includes protections, procedures, and certain opt-outs that influence the extent and manner of this obligation.

You're talking about regulation you don't understand. The Dublin regulations state that the country the first application for asylum is made, is responsible. Not the first country they arrive to. There is no obligation on anyone to claim asylum in the first country they get to.
You really should understand these things if you're going to depend on them.

[Bubblypop]

It's pointless discussing anything with the poster you quoted, but, for the record, we do not have an obligation to take asylum seekers and refugees under the Geneva convention, nor do we have an obligation to take them under any EU regulations. We (meaning the Irish government) choose to take them. It is a frequently-cited falsehood of the open borders crowd that we have "international obligations" to take them - we don't.
The Geneva convention "acknowledges the right of individuals to seek asylum from persecution in other countries" and signees have a "responsibility to examine asylum applications fairly and thoroughly" but states are not required to grant it. We can examine as many as we like, and refuse to take the vast majority that are claiming falsely. Of course, as a rule, we should take some refugees, that's only fair - say, 100 a year would, in my opinion, be more than enough to share the burden, given our small size, remoteness from conflict zones, and no history of imperialism. The current situation, where we take anyone who can get to the airport, documents or no documents, along with our open door policy to EU welfare dependents, Brazilian "students" and Indian "IT workers" and anyone else that wants to escape the slums or a criminal past, is not some international obligation, nor is it some great act of benevolence - it is a deliberate act by our government, through lobbying by foreign-funded NGO's and multinational businesses, in order, by the former to destroy nationalism and individualism, and by the latter to drive down wages and turn the country into a European Bangladesh.

We have taken the Geneva convention into domestic legislation so yes we do have an obligation to accept asylum seekers.
We opted into EU obligations.