IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[Jequ0n]

Just FYI, I never had any row with this poster on Boards, in fact I think you can see yourself Guburnor that I registered here with a username that I was active on Boards with, and deleted the account a number of years ago.

I remember you, even though we generally disagreed on almost everything.

[Bubblypop]

I remember you, even though we generally disagreed on almost everything.

I'm not sure it was everything!! Definitely agreed with some of your posts. But at least you never took anything personally.

[Jequ0n]

I'm not sure it was everything!! Definitely agreed with some of your posts. But at least you never took anything personally.

That’s why I said “almost everything”. I guess partial agreement with my always balanced and superior wisdoms is better than nothing.

[jmayo]

Just FYI, I never had any row with this poster on Boards, in fact I think you can see yourself Guburnor that I registered here with a username that I was active on Boards with, and deleted the account a number of years ago.

Oh we all know how active you were on boards with that username.
You used to lecture us about the troubles in Sweden were a myth because you had friends in the police force there.

You are trying to pull the same shyte you did over there where you will refuse to answer a straight question but argue on semantics.
Then you get on your high horse and fire out the person you are arguing against is an unstable frothing at the mouth male who cares little for Irish women.

As someone else said maybe the best solution is for the rest of us to ignore you and just discuss amongst ourselves how the country is going or has gone to shyte.

[Guburnor]

Oh we all know how active you were on boards with that username.
You used to lecture us about the troubles in Sweden were a myth because you had friends in the police force there.

You are trying to pull the same shyte you did over there where you will refuse to answer a straight question but argue on semantics.
Then you get on your high horse and fire out the person you are arguing against is an unstable frothing at the mouth male who cares little for Irish women.

As someone else said maybe the best solution is for the rest of us to ignore you and just discuss amongst ourselves how the country is going or has gone to shyte.

Please cut it out. I gave up on this forum once before because the majority of posters who joined just wanted to have a whinge about boards. The best solution for me is to either give up on this forum again or start banning the whiners. I don't really wish to do either, so if you want to rake over old ground and rehash old grievances please go and do it elsewhere.

[NewBroom]

I see this from some people, that Ireland has changed for the worse, the only thing they seem to be referring to is that other nationalities live here now. How is that worse exactly?

This depends on what you care about. There was a time when with the vast majority of people you met at bus stops, in pubs, in work, on the streets etc etc you knew what the broad cultural references were, that everyone understood having grown up in Ireland. You might never have seen them before but there was a sense of community and understanding.

Now we see and meet people regularly from multiple countries far & wide. They have their own cultural understandings and norms, I haven't a clue what they are and very little interest in learning what they are. Everywhere I look now, I think why the feck is this or that person here? Why aren't are they in their countries of birth, working there to make them better places. Isn't that their role in life.

If I want to see Georgians, South Africans or Nigerians etc I'll happily go and visit their lands and see their cultures there. We don't need it here as well. And if that makes me racist, well I'm in very good company with a great many ordinary Irish decent citizens.

[Headshot]

This depends on what you care about. There was a time when with the vast majority of people you met at bus stops, in pubs, in work, on the streets etc etc you knew what the broad cultural references were, that everyone understood having grown up in Ireland. You might never have seen them before but there was a sense of community and understanding.

Now we see and meet people regularly from multiple countries far & wide. They have their own cultural understandings and norms, I haven't a clue what they are and very little interest in learning what they are. Everywhere I look now, I think why the feck is this or that person here? Why aren't are they in their countries of birth, working there to make them better places. Isn't that their role in life.

If I want to see Georgians, South Africans or Nigerians etc I'll happily go and visit their lands and see their cultures there. We don't need it here as well. And if that makes me racist, well I'm in very good company with a great many ordinary Irish decent citizens.

I couldnt say it any better NewBroom.

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If this video doesn't make you angry nothing will. This government are just an abomination, there's no doubt in my mind that they see us as 2nd class citizens

[Bubblypop]

Oh we all know how active you were on boards with that username.
You used to lecture us about the troubles in Sweden were a myth because you had friends in the police force there.

You are trying to pull the same shyte you did over there where you will refuse to answer a straight question but argue on semantics.
Then you get on your high horse and fire out the person you are arguing against is an unstable frothing at the mouth male who cares little for Irish women.

As someone else said maybe the best solution is for the rest of us to ignore you and just discuss amongst ourselves how the country is going or has gone to shyte.

Never refused to answer a question in my life.
I'd be grateful if you refrain from defamatory remarks about me and just stick to whatever topic is being discussed.
Oh and yeah, sure if you want to ignore me, go right ahead, just another poster who wants everyone to agree on this site. Amazing how it was set up for precisely the opposite reason.

MOD - Enough, I made a mod comment on jmayo's post above, hopefully that's the end of it, no need for you carry on. Leave it there. Thanks

[Bubblypop]

This depends on what you care about. There was a time when with the vast majority of people you met at bus stops, in pubs, in work, on the streets etc etc you knew what the broad cultural references were, that everyone understood having grown up in Ireland. You might never have seen them before but there was a sense of community and understanding.

Now we see and meet people regularly from multiple countries far & wide. They have their own cultural understandings and norms, I haven't a clue what they are and very little interest in learning what they are. Everywhere I look now, I think why the feck is this or that person here? Why aren't are they in their countries of birth, working there to make them better places. Isn't that their role in life.

If I want to see Georgians, South Africans or Nigerians etc I'll happily go and visit their lands and see their cultures there. We don't need it here as well. And if that makes me racist, well I'm in very good company with a great many ordinary Irish decent citizens.

Are you actually really saying that you are racist and proud of it? That the only people living in Ireland should be Irish people?
Really?

[Bubblypop]

I couldnt say it any better NewBroom.

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If this video doesn't make you angry nothing will. This government are just an abomination, there's no doubt in my mind that they see us as 2nd class citizens

What makes you angry about that exactly?

[jmayo]

Please cut it out. I gave up on this forum once before because the majority of posters who joined just wanted to have a whinge about boards. The best solution for me is to either give up on this forum again or start banning the whiners. I don't really wish to do either, so if you want to rake over old ground and rehash old grievances please go and do it elsewhere.

Fair enough.
I am putting certain posters on ignore in order to avoid having to deal with their usual shenanigans that I have referenced.

[Jequ0n]

This depends on what you care about. There was a time when with the vast majority of people you met at bus stops, in pubs, in work, on the streets etc etc you knew what the broad cultural references were, that everyone understood having grown up in Ireland. You might never have seen them before but there was a sense of community and understanding.

Now we see and meet people regularly from multiple countries far & wide. They have their own cultural understandings and norms, I haven't a clue what they are and very little interest in learning what they are. Everywhere I look now, I think why the feck is this or that person here? Why aren't are they in their countries of birth, working there to make them better places. Isn't that their role in life.

If I want to see Georgians, South Africans or Nigerians etc I'll happily go and visit their lands and see their cultures there. We don't need it here as well. And if that makes me racist, well I'm in very good company with a great many ordinary Irish decent citizens.

I understand where you are coming from. I’ve an an immigrant for almost my life now and I never experienced anyone treat me with suspicion or disdain. Maybe I’m just too thick to pick up on it although I consider myself quite perceptive.
I don’t think people generally don’t have an issue with useful people who contribute and who “fit in” or at least make an effort.
It’s probably hypocritical of me but even I feel annoyed when I walk through an area that is entirely dominated by a sub-culture that has created their own little micro universe and that tries to keep interactions with the general population to a minimum. That’s the very type of migration that should concern everyone, even migrants themselves.

[Bubblypop]

Never refused to answer a question in my life.
I'd be grateful if you refrain from defamatory remarks about me and just stick to whatever topic is being discussed.
Oh and yeah, sure if you want to ignore me, go right ahead, just another poster who wants everyone to agree on this site. Amazing how it was set up for precisely the opposite reason.

MOD - Enough, I made a mod comment on jmayo's post above, hopefully that's the end of it, no need for you carry on. Leave it there. Thanks

Sorry, I commented before I saw your post. Let's hope everyone is welcome to their opinions here eh?

[Guburnor]

Sorry, I commented before I saw your post. Let's hope everyone is welcome to their opinions here eh?

Yes, everybody is welcome to their opinions here. That is the point of the place. The more opposing opinions the better as far as I am concerned. Eg in the context of immigration that means you are welcome to argue for or against it for whatever reason. Ideally this results in intelligent and reasoned discussion.

If you can express your opinions in a reasoned and civilised fashion they are welcome here, no matter how much they might offend other posters.

What you're not welcome to do is meaninglessly dismiss posters as racist or woke, troll, wind up, bait etc etc and particularly you're not welcome to get offended by an opposing viewpoint expressed reasonably and react like a spoilt child.

In the hope that opposing viewpoints can be discussed reasonably I might be expecting too much and if so the forum will wither and die, but we don't even stand a chance of finding out, if everyone is just here to vent grudges picked up on boards for whatever reason.

[Bubblypop]

Yes, everybody is welcome to their opinions here. That is the point of the place. The more opposing opinions the better as far as I am concerned. Eg in the context of immigration that means you are welcome to argue for or against it for whatever reason. Ideally this results in intelligent and reasoned discussion.

If you can express your opinions in a reasoned and civilised fashion they are welcome here, no matter how much they might offend other posters.

What you're not welcome to do is meaninglessly dismiss posters as racist or woke, troll, wind up, bait etc etc and particularly you're not welcome to get offended by an opposing viewpoint expressed reasonably and react like a spoilt child.

In the hope that opposing viewpoints can be discussed reasonably I might be expecting too much and if so the forum will wither and die, but we don't even stand a chance of finding out, if everyone is just here to vent grudges picked up on boards for whatever reason.

I hope you're not suggesting that I have done that, If I have posted anything that you believe is not in good faith then please, point that out to me. I will definitely take it on board.

[NewBroom]

Are you actually really saying that you are racist and proud of it? That the only people living in Ireland should be Irish people?
Really?

I think you're putting words into my mouth there..
I wrote of a certain viewpoint and stated that if that viewpoint made me racist (in some peoples views) that I was in good company with many ordinary Irish citizens.

Of course I'm not racist, that's a preposterous suggestion. I think that people from the various nations of the world have just as much right to exist as I do. Let them at it. If we can help by trading with them, sharing knowledge and visiting them, that's fine.

I don't believe those rights extends to a right to come into our country and live here, using up our resources and services without very considerable checks and balances. We need tight control over our borders, we should be allowing foreign nationals in on work permits where needed and obliging them to leave when those permits are expired. We have some moral obligations to take in a modest number of war refugees on the strict understanding that they return when hostilities have declined. I believe we need to remove non nationals that have arrived into our state in the last decade and who are here without permits that are still valid. We have no duty of care to those who want to leave their countries of birth and rock up here. And please don't start with the palaver about Irish emigration in post famine Ireland, that was nearing two centuries ago.

[ceannairceach]

Yes, everybody is welcome to their opinions here. That is the point of the place. The more opposing opinions the better as far as I am concerned. Eg in the context of immigration that means you are welcome to argue for or against it for whatever reason. Ideally this results in intelligent and reasoned discussion.

If you can express your opinions in a reasoned and civilised fashion they are welcome here, no matter how much they might offend other posters.

What you're not welcome to do is meaninglessly dismiss posters as racist or woke, troll, wind up, bait etc etc and particularly you're not welcome to get offended by an opposing viewpoint expressed reasonably and react like a spoilt child.

In the hope that opposing viewpoints can be discussed reasonably I might be expecting too much and if so the forum will wither and die, but we don't even stand a chance of finding out, if everyone is just here to vent grudges picked up on boards for whatever reason.

That is a brilliant POV to take and largely it is brilliant here!!

The Cathy Newman tactic of “so you’re saying …” and then asking off topic questions while answering none is so annoying!!

[ceannairceach]

I think you're putting words into my mouth there..
I wrote of a certain viewpoint and stated that if that viewpoint made me racist (in some peoples views) that I was in good company with many ordinary Irish citizens.

Of course I'm not racist, that's a preposterous suggestion. I think that people from the various nations of the world have just as much right to exist as I do. Let them at it. If we can help by trading with them, sharing knowledge and visiting them, that's fine.

I don't believe those rights extends to a right to come into our country and live here, using up our resources and services without very considerable checks and balances. We need tight control over our borders, we should be allowing foreign nationals in on work permits where needed and obliging them to leave when those permits are expired. We have some moral obligations to take in a modest number of war refugees on the strict understanding that they return when hostilities have declined. I believe we need to remove non nationals that have arrived into our state in the last decade and who are here without permits that are still valid. We have no duty of care to those who want to leave their countries of birth and rock up here. And please don't start with the palaver about Irish emigration in post famine Ireland, that was nearing two centuries ago.

Agreed so many many times over.

I’m sickened that the idiots from Kneecap are using the “no blacks, no Irish” sign as if turning it on its head makes it better.

My grandfather worked like, and was treated like, a dog in America at the turn of the century. No one gave him a free hotel, free medical treatment, better care than the tax paying native population - nothing.

People who conflate the two experiences are morons quite frankly.

[NattyO]

Anyhoo....

Interesting to see the "everyone is attacking Indians" story is turning into the "teenagers are all racists" story. I presume this was the plan from the start. Cover to introduce mandatory Critical Race Theory classes in schools? Interestingly, a paper on Critical Race Theory was published by a lecturer from TUD very recently, and the Irish Network Against Racism has been pumping out this stuff over the past couple of years. I see a big push for brainwashing white Irish teenagers to hate themselves coming down the line. Of course the teenagers who are actually going around assaulting people (Indians, Irish, white, black, short, tall, fat, thin and of every gender, persuasion, colour and creed) will laugh at all this, because they, like anyone with a grain of sense, know that what they really need is discipline and consequences, two things the progressives hate.
The fact that the Gardai have quietly confirmed that there hasn't actually been a significant rise in attacks on Indians will get lost in the hype.

https://www.thejournal.ie/justice-minis ... 2-Aug2025/

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/08 ... community/

https://gript.ie/gardai-no-significant- ... n-indians/

[ceannairceach]

Anyhoo....

Interesting to see the "everyone is attacking Indians" story is turning into the "teenagers are all racists" story. I presume this was the plan from the start. Cover to introduce mandatory Critical Race Theory classes in schools? Interestingly, a paper on Critical Race Theory was published by a lecturer from TUD very recently, and the Irish Network Against Racism has been pumping out this stuff over the past couple of years. I see a big push for brainwashing white Irish teenagers to hate themselves coming down the line. Of course the teenagers who are actually going around assaulting people (Indians, Irish, white, black, short, tall, fat, thin and of every gender, persuasion, colour and creed) will laugh at all this, because they, like anyone with a grain of sense, know that what they really need is discipline and consequences, two things the progressives hate.
The fact that the Gardai have quietly confirmed that there hasn't actually been a significant rise in attacks on Indians will get lost in the hype.

https://www.thejournal.ie/justice-minis ... 2-Aug2025/

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/08 ... community/

https://gript.ie/gardai-no-significant- ... n-indians/

A friend of mine once worked with “Dr” Ebun Joseph - her premise was everyone not of colour is racist and it needs “educating” out of everyone at the earliest possible age.

I think she’s the racist myself, loathes white people.

[Bubblypop]

I think you're putting words into my mouth there..
I wrote of a certain viewpoint and stated that if that viewpoint made me racist (in some peoples views) that I was in good company with many ordinary Irish citizens.

Of course I'm not racist, that's a preposterous suggestion. I think that people from the various nations of the world have just as much right to exist as I do. Let them at it. If we can help by trading with them, sharing knowledge and visiting them, that's fine.

I don't believe those rights extends to a right to come into our country and live here, using up our resources and services without very considerable checks and balances. We need tight control over our borders, we should be allowing foreign nationals in on work permits where needed and obliging them to leave when those permits are expired. We have some moral obligations to take in a modest number of war refugees on the strict understanding that they return when hostilities have declined. I believe we need to remove non nationals that have arrived into our state in the last decade and who are here without permits that are still valid. We have no duty of care to those who want to leave their countries of birth and rock up here. And please don't start with the palaver about Irish emigration in post famine Ireland, that was nearing two centuries ago.

That is in general exactly what we have here. Except that EU and UK citizens don't need permits to come to live here.
Where have I said anything about Irish emigration? Seems you're putting words in people's posts yourself, I've never mentioned it. As you brought it up, Irish emigration is not something from 200 years ago, it is ongoing and has been for centuries. I doubt there is a family here that hasn't had numerous members leave the country.
The majority of people in this country are here through legal means, the very few illegal immigrants are not entitled to anything, so are not using up any resources.

And to be perfectly honest, looking at people and wondering what the hell they are doing here and why aren't they in their own country, sounds racist for sure and no, the majority of Irish people do not think like that.

[NewBroom]

Well I'd rather debate the merits of the case for immigration.

Rather than casting around terms like 'racist'.... please refer to your response in #1040 just a few hours earlier today

[Bubblypop]

Well I'd rather debate the merits of the case for immigration.

Rather than casting around terms like 'racist'.... please refer to your response in #1040 just a few hours earlier today

But if a poster believes that people should not be in this country based on the fact that they are not Irish, what is there to debate?

[ceannairceach]

Another tactic of the pro- open doors mob - treating ALL immigration the same.

No one is against immigration. We are however against mass immigration without supports in place and additional services added and are very much against unvetted, unchecked crowds of 90% young men using supports that should be for genuine refugee women and children.

[Jequ0n]

Another tactic of the pro- open doors mob - treating ALL immigration the same.

No one is against immigration. We are however against mass immigration without supports in place and additional services added and are very much against unvetted, unchecked crowds of 90% young men using supports that should be for genuine refugee women and children.

I agree with what you are saying apart from granting “women and children” an automatic pass as if that’s a route that cannot (and is not being) exploited.