Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

[Bubblypop]

Except it doesn't.

I love how a certain sub section of people online like to treat every response they receive as unacceptable.

UKIP are legitimised by the far worse and far more intolerant fundamentalist Islam. Plain and simple.

No, you didn't answer the question. And now, you presume that they are fundamental Islamic protestors. No such evidence exists. They are merely people that live in area that UKIP wanted to march through.
There is nothing wrong with people coming out against far right racist groups like UKIP.

[Nullzer0]

No, you didn't answer the question. And now, you presume that they are fundamental Islamic protestors. No such evidence exists. They are merely people that live in area that UKIP wanted to march through.
There is nothing wrong with people coming out against far right racist groups like UKIP.

The people campaigning to keep Tel Aviv football fans out of Birmingham are entirely fundamentalist Muslims.

That's the topic here not UKIP having a counter protest.

Just look at the protests in Tower Hamlets this weekend, lefty pro Palestine people telling the huge crowds of Muslim men shouting Allahu Akbar that they're on their side being told bluntly "no you're not" by their supposed allies.

Go ahead and change the context if you like, the rest of us know what's really going on. Fundamentalist Muslims in Birmingham made sure that Israeli fans couldn't attend the game because they were treathing violence if the police didn't agree with their request. This isn't solely based on solidarity with Palestine, it's based in wider hatred of Jews amongst fundamentalist Muslims.

Fundamentalist Muslims are dictating who can and can't enter their neighborhoods, this is an insane situation and UKIP having a protest against that is not the biggest problem in this equation.

[Bubblypop]

The people campaigning to keep Tel Aviv football fans out of Birmingham are entirely fundamentalist Muslims.

That's the topic here not UKIP having a counter protest.

Just look at the protests in Tower Hamlets this weekend, lefty pro Palestine people telling the huge crowds of Muslim men shouting Allahu Akbar that they're on their side being told bluntly "no you're not" by their supposed allies.

Go ahead and change the context if you like, the rest of us know what's really going on. Fundamentalist Muslims in Birmingham made sure that Israeli fans couldn't attend the game because they were treathing violence if the police didn't agree with their request. This isn't solely based on solidarity with Palestine, it's based in wider hatred of Jews amongst fundamentalist Muslims.

Fundamentalist Muslims are dictating who can and can't enter their neighborhoods, this is an insane situation and UKIP having a protest against that is not the biggest problem in this equation.

I think you will find that the Israeli supporters were at risk of violence from a lot more people then just fundamental islamists.
UKIP are a far right racist grouping, I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with people protesting against them

[knownunknown]

UKIP haven’t attacked or killed anyone as far as I’m aware. All this talk of confronting people, standing up to people, protesting and counter protesting it’s all very confusing.

Are people allowed to protest or not? In the UK you must seek a permit.

UKIP wanted to protest through Whitechapel, they weren’t allowed because of the large Muslim population there. They got their permit for somewhere else instead. Then the black bloc came out in Whitechapel without a permit and some tried to follow the UKIP protestors but were quickly arrested by the police who did a fine job protecting the UKIP demonstrators. They also should have arrested every black bloc person that day but they probably didn’t have the numbers.

You either respect the laws of protest or you don’t. In the UK recently you had the largest gathering on the right the country ever saw. This sent shockwaves throughout the halls of Westminster. As much as many wanted violence, the vast majority of those arrested that day were “counter protestors” stand up to racism groups blah blah blah.

If this is “standing up to racists” the country is going to rapidly spiral into anarchy very quickly. The only reason UKIP are classified as having far right parts is because of their criticism of immigration and Islam.

[Nullzer0]

I think you will find that the Israeli supporters were at risk of violence from a lot more people then just fundamental islamists.
UKIP are a far right racist grouping, I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with people protesting against them

You're deliberately taking almost everything out of context here.

Have you got any issue with fundamentalist Muslims telling Jews they're not welcome in Birmingham?

I'd be really interested to see if you can give that question a straight answer.

[Nullzer0]

Loved your posts on t’other site - good to see yoh here!!

100% spot in there!!!

Appreciate that.

Lets face it, if I had written the first sentence of that post on the other platform I'd be in the naughty step for a couple of months.

Good to be able to have a reasonable conversation for a change.

[Bubblypop]

You're deliberately taking almost everything out of context here.

Have you got any issue with fundamentalist Muslims telling Jews they're not welcome in Birmingham?

I'd be really interested to see if you can give that question a straight answer.

Of course I do.
I have an issue with any particular nationality or religion telling others they are not welcome.

[ceannairceach]

Of course I do.
I have an issue with any particular nationality or religion telling others they are not welcome.

Oh you clearly do not ffs!!

You’re fine with Muslims banning Jewish people for coming into Birmingham! As has been clearly demonstrated!

[Bubblypop]

Oh you clearly do not ffs!!

You’re fine with Muslims banning Jewish people for coming into Birmingham! As has been clearly demonstrated!

Nope.
I'm fine with police doing a risk assessment and deciding for health and safety reasons, that some fans shouldn't travel to a soccer match. I believe the experts experience.

[ceannairceach]

Nope.
I'm fine with police doing a risk assessment and deciding for health and safety reasons, that some fans shouldn't travel to a soccer match. I believe the experts experience.

Rubbish.

[Guburnor]

Rubbish.

MOD: Stop it. Please ignore Bubblypop.

[Nullzer0]

Nope.
I'm fine with police doing a risk assessment and deciding for health and safety reasons, that some fans shouldn't travel to a soccer match. I believe the experts experience.

That risk assessment was based on an incident in the Netherlands where Muslim groups set out to attack Tel Aviv fans.

We already have fundamentalist imams calling on all Muslims in the Aston area to show the Tel Aviv fans no mercy.

This is the ugly face of Islamic antisemitism and you're choosing to side with it, well done.

[Bubblypop]

That risk assessment was based on an incident in the Netherlands where Muslim groups set out to attack Tel Aviv fans.

We already have fundamentalist imams calling on all Muslims in the Aston area to show the Tel Aviv fans no mercy.

This is the ugly face of Islamic antisemitism and you're choosing to side with it, well done.

You don't know what the risk assessment was, as I doubt the police shared that information with you?
I'm not siding with anyone other then the experts in policing. They don't care about religion, they care about public safety.

[knownunknown]

You don't know what the risk assessment was, as I doubt the police shared that information with you?
I'm not siding with anyone other then the experts in policing. They don't care about religion, they care about public safety.

If(when) the information gets released sometime in the future and it turns out the intelligence they had was that Islamic elements were planning attacks, would this change your mind? Would it make you think any different?

[Nullzer0]

You don't know what the risk assessment was, as I doubt the police shared that information with you?
I'm not siding with anyone other then the experts in policing. They don't care about religion, they care about public safety.

I do know because all of the information related to this decision is freely available in the public domain. It isn't a secret.

This decision was made because fundamentalist Muslims stated openly that if Jews were to be allowed to attend Villa Park that they would mobilise to attack them.

All of this is openly available as stated previously, you are making out that this decision was made for another reason that for some reason is a secret that nobody can know about.

[jmayo]

You can't argue with modern liberals.
For some unknown reason they are enthralled with muslims and even excuse islamists.

It is our fault for not being more welcoming.
It is the fault of kids in Manchester, nightclubbers in Paris, etc, etc, etc for the fact America or even their own are bombing some backwards shytehole in Middle East/Africa.

There is a huge level of cognitive dissonance where modern liberals champion and excuse an ideology that is totally at odds with almost all their beliefs.

The useful idiots, and that is what they are to islamists in particular but really most muslims who despise the liberals beliefs, are under the impression that somehow they can change these people and their totally backward beliefs.

Maybe a penny might drop for some with video evidence of an islamist telling a leftie in London they are not on the same side.
But I wouldn't be rushing to Paddy Power to put any bets on it.

It is jaw dropping to watch the LGBT types fawning over fake refugees and draped in Palestinian flags when they wouldn't last 5 minutes in Gaza.

[Bubblypop]

I do know because all of the information related to this decision is freely available in the public domain. It isn't a secret.

This decision was made because fundamentalist Muslims stated openly that if Jews were to be allowed to attend Villa Park that they would mobilise to attack them.

All of this is openly available as stated previously, you are making out that this decision was made for another reason that for some reason is a secret that nobody can know about.

No. I'm saying that the police took a decision based on their risk assessments and that is good enough.
They are there to protect life and property, to maintain the public peace.

[Bubblypop]

If(when) the information gets released sometime in the future and it turns out the intelligence they had was that Islamic elements were planning attacks, would this change your mind? Would it make you think any different?

No, because obviously the safety of the public is the mission of the police.

[Nullzer0]

No. I'm saying that the police took a decision based on their risk assessments and that is good enough.
They are there to protect life and property, to maintain the public peace.

You're ignoring the fact that their decision was directly influenced by fundamentalist Muslims making threats against Tel Aviv supporters.

Even Keir Starmer has condemned this yet you somehow know better than everyone else.

Just a thought, if you're going to pontificate on a subject it's a fair assumption that you should have done the most rudimentary level of research about it. You clearly haven't.

You seem to be labouring under the impression that the police in Birmingham just decided that Macabi Tel Aviv are themselves the problem and the documented threats from fundamentalist Muslims that are accepted by all as the catalyst of this situation are somehow not related to the situation at all.

[Bubblypop]

You're ignoring the fact that their decision was directly influenced by fundamentalist Muslims making threats against Tel Aviv supporters.

Even Keir Starmer has condemned this yet you somehow know better than everyone else.

Just a thought, if you're going to pontificate on a subject it's a fair assumption that you should have done the most rudimentary level of research about it. You clearly haven't.

You seem to be labouring under the impression that the police in Birmingham just decided that Macabi Tel Aviv are themselves the problem and the documented threats from fundamentalist Muslims that are accepted by all as the catalyst of this situation are somehow not related to the situation at all.

Never suggested I know best. I suggest the police know best. They are the experts in protecting life and property.
If they deem it safer that Israeli fans do not travel, then I would take their advice.
I don't know where you get the idea that I think police police believe the Israeli fans are the problem, nothing is further from the truth. Please stop putting words into my mouth that I have never said.
Police are there to protect people, they deem the risks of Israeli fans traveling are too high, therefore they have said they shouldn't.
That's good enough for me.
What would you like to see, Israeli fans to be targeted?

[Nullzer0]

Never suggested I know best. I suggest the police know best. They are the experts in protecting life and property.
If they deem it safer that Israeli fans do not travel, then I would take their advice.
I don't know where you get the idea that I think police police believe the Israeli fans are the problem, nothing is further from the truth. Please stop putting words into my mouth that I have never said.
Police are there to protect people, they deem the risks of Israeli fans traveling are too high, therefore they have said they shouldn't.
That's good enough for me.
What would you like to see, Israeli fans to be targeted?

The only thing we should be seeing is fundamentalist Islam being put in its place.

The situation as it stands has enboldened this nutcases and this tactic will be used again and again.

I'd have allowed the Macabi Tel Aviv supporters to travel and I'd have put a ring of steel around them to show the scumbags making the threats that if they choose to take violent action that they will be met with force.

This is coming in the wake of a man called Jihad killing Jews outside a Synagogue a few weeks ago, it's now apparent that Islam is holding the whip hand in the UK and this situation proves it. The tail is wagging the dog and sadly all these types of people respect is force, softly softly will never work.

[Jequ0n]

The only thing we should be seeing is fundamentalist Islam being put in its place.

The situation as it stands has enboldened this nutcases and this tactic will be used again and again.

I'd have allowed the Macabi Tel Aviv supporters to travel and I'd have put a ring of steel around them to show the scumbags making the threats that if they choose to take violent action that they will be met with force.

This is coming in the wake of a man called Jihad killing Jews outside a Synagogue a few weeks ago, it's now apparent that Islam is holding the whip hand in the UK and this situation proves it. The tail is wagging the dog and sadly all these types of people respect is force, softly softly will never work.

Totally agree that fundamentalist Islam needs to be starved of all oxygen and radical extremists treated as terrorists without the “racism” excuse.
But I absolutely do not agree with wasting enormous amounts of money and effort just to protect some random people who chose to visit a country that is going through a lot of unrest currently. It’s fuel that is not needed at the moment.
It’s all way too over dramatic.

[Bubblypop]

The only thing we should be seeing is fundamentalist Islam being put in its place.

The situation as it stands has enboldened this nutcases and this tactic will be used again and again.

I'd have allowed the Macabi Tel Aviv supporters to travel and I'd have put a ring of steel around them to show the scumbags making the threats that if they choose to take violent action that they will be met with force.

This is coming in the wake of a man called Jihad killing Jews outside a Synagogue a few weeks ago, it's now apparent that Islam is holding the whip hand in the UK and this situation proves it. The tail is wagging the dog and sadly all these types of people respect is force, softly softly will never work.

Police clearly felt they do not have the resources available to keep people safe.
They shouldn't ever bow to pressure from politicians or religious organisations, just do their job. Hopefully in future they will be given more resources for situations like this.
In the meantime, they are protecting life and property and public safety. That's their job and I'm happy they are doing it.

[Nullzer0]

Totally agree that fundamentalist Islam needs to be starved of all oxygen and radical extremists treated as terrorists without the “racism” excuse.
But I absolutely do not agree with wasting enormous amounts of money and effort just to protect some random people who chose to visit a country that is going through a lot of unrest currently. It’s fuel that is not needed at the moment.
It’s all way too over dramatic.

The problem is that you can't apply logic to deal with people who are entirely illogical.

When do you start to clamp down on these pricks exactly?

I understand it's a drain on resources and turns the whole thing into a circus but that's what's needed for these people to get the message.

Currently they have the run of whatever part of the UK they choose to have.

Just look at the Tower Hamlets demonstration over the weekend, extremely militant loons screaming Allahu Akbar making it clear that the area is now an Islamic stronghold.

The UK has over 40,000 Islamic terrorists on its watch lists and or in prison, that's just the ones that are on the radar.

We're talking about an existential threat at this stage.

It's mind boggling how we got to this point but it's largely down to not wanting to cause offence, a consideration routinely disregarded by Islamic fundamentalists towards the kufar.

[12gauge dave]

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