IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[schmittel]

Nothing particularly new, there has always been financial assistance for those wishing to leave
Voluntary Returns - Immigration Service Delivery https://share.google/DA6VChsVNNpDAmrao

that's even more bizarre if it is a longstanding thing.

Surely if you are awaiting a decision on whether or not you need protection, if you're genuinely in need of protection you're not in a position to volunteer to go back to the place you left because you needed protection?

It might make sense on paper as a way to reduce numbers who stay here, but it makes no logical sense in practice as it makes a mockery of the whole system and the lofty ideals of offering asylum when it is required.

[Jequ0n]

I have heard it all now. €10,000 being offered to asylum seekers not to seek asylum....



Now, this has me scratching my head a bit. Surely asylum can only be granted to those in danger of serious persecution in their home country.

Thus, by definition, anybody who volunteers to return to their home country is not eligible for asylum in the first place.

What am I missing?

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/0 ... m-seekers/

A reasonable thought that doesn’t seem to be applied to all types of “refugees”, because Ukrainians have been returning freely without criticism.

[ceannairceach]

I’d like so much to think we’ve a Government with balls / offer the 10k, then tell th they’ve just proved their case to be bogus and fecked off out.

[schmittel]

A reasonable thought that doesn’t seem to be applied to all types of “refugees”, because Ukrainians have been returning freely without criticism.

Ukraine is a special case in because of an EU wide directive they cannot be refused protection - it's been legally decided that they need it.

The EU Temporary Protection Directive has now been activated in response to the Ukraine crisis. The Directive is an emergency provision designed to quickly and humanely respond to the mass displacement of Ukrainian people by Russian aggression.

Ireland participates in this measure, which has been given legal effect under Section 60 of the International Protection Act 2015.

Under the terms of the Directive, those fleeing the conflict in Ukraine will be eligible for temporary protection, initially for one year and on a renewable basis.

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/informa ... n-ukraine/

[schmittel]

I’d like so much to think we’ve a Government with balls / offer the 10k, then tell th they’ve just proved their case to be bogus and fecked off out.

Yep, I share your wishful thinking that it is a clever scheme.

Realistically it is not likely to drop numbers though, it is just likely to end up with more applications for protection who can then change their mind for 10k and be more money pissed away.

[Jequ0n]

Ukraine is a special case in because of an EU wide directive they cannot be refused protection - it's been legally decided that they need it.



https://www.irishimmigration.ie/informa ... n-ukraine/

I know, and it irks me because it’s just not right.

[Bubblypop]

A reasonable thought that doesn’t seem to be applied to all types of “refugees”, because Ukrainians have been returning freely without criticism.

Asylum seekers are not refugees. Refugees have been granted status, so Ukrainian refugees would not be eligible because they are not seeking asylum, they have it automatically because the EU directed it.

[Dubit10]

iv'e no trouble with Ukrainian women and children coming here for refuge but men, funk that.

[Jequ0n]

iv'e no trouble with Ukrainian women and children coming here for refuge but men, funk that.

Why? Still a burden on the state and tax payer that will never be returned.

[Bubblypop]

iv'e no trouble with Ukrainian women and children coming here for refuge but men, funk that.

Why?
If conflict started in Ireland tomorrow would you expect your sons or father or brother to stay here to maybe die? But your female relations could leave? Seems a bit sexist.

[Dubit10]

Why?
If conflict started in Ireland tomorrow would you expect your sons or father or brother to stay here to maybe die? But your female relations could leave? Seems a bit sexist.

It's not sexist. Men fight wars if their homeland is at risk. We've one in our estate with his 2024 reg Tesla on Ukrainian plates. Get back to Ukraine and fight if your countries very survival is supposedly at stake instead of being a coward. I wouldn't mind a newish Tesla but because im taxed so high to keep scammers like him living here i can't afford one.

Women and children are a different kettle of fish and i've no issue lending a helping hand there once it's kept at a respectable number and they aren;t taking the piss out of us.

[Bubblypop]

It's not sexist. Men fight wars if their homeland is at risk. We've one in our estate with his 2024 reg Tesla on Ukrainian plates. Get back to Ukraine and fight if your countries very survival is supposedly at stake instead of being a coward. I wouldn't mind a newish Tesla but because im taxed so high to keep scammers like him living here i can't afford one.

Women and children are a different kettle of fish and i've no issue lending a helping hand there once it's kept at a respectable number and they aren;t taking the piss out of us.

So the boys and men in your family should be forced to fight in a war that they didn't start. I'm sure they would be delighted to know how you feel about them.
Are you aware that cars in Europe are cheaper then Ireland? Just sounds begrudging.

[Jequ0n]

It's not sexist. Men fight wars if their homeland is at risk. We've one in our estate with his 2024 reg Tesla on Ukrainian plates. Get back to Ukraine and fight if your countries very survival is supposedly at stake instead of being a coward. I wouldn't mind a newish Tesla but because im taxed so high to keep scammers like him living here i can't afford one.

Women and children are a different kettle of fish and i've no issue lending a helping hand there once it's kept at a respectable number and they aren;t taking the piss out of us.

I wouldn’t have any interest in defending my country either if there are others who can fight for me.
I can see the appeal of attacking a region, but defending is an entirely different story.

[ceannairceach]

I guarantee the people crying sexist if they were in a sinking ship would be very loudly crying “women and children first!”

[Bubblypop]

I guarantee the people crying sexist if they were in a sinking ship would be very loudly crying “women and children first!”

Really, you can guarantee that can you?
Couldn't be more wrong. I would get all members of my family out, wouldn't force anyone to stay or get involved. I'd be staying personally.

[NewBroom]

If conflict started in Ireland tomorrow would you expect your sons or father or brother to stay here to maybe die? But your female relations could leave? Seems a bit sexist.

If another state invaded Ireland next week, I'd expect every able bodied citizen to offer to serve in what capacity needed in order to resist. That includes myself and I trust you and others here.

Primarily men are at the sharp end of the front lines of defence but there's no reason at all why women should not be likewise.

And all able bodied others should be engaged in whatever various activities required to support the war effort.

As regards able bodied Ukrainians hiding here with minimal responsibilities I don't know how they can look in the mirror at themselves. And how on earth will they ever dare to show themselves in Ukraine when all this is over? How can they look at reports in the media of their fellow people back home living, working and resisting and justify their presence here??

[Dubit10]

If another state invaded Ireland next week, I'd expect every able bodied citizen to offer to serve in what capacity needed in order to resist. That includes myself and I trust you and others here.

Primarily men are at the sharp end of the front lines of defence but there's no reason at all why women should not be likewise.

And all able bodied others should be engaged in whatever various activities required to support the war effort.

As regards able bodied Ukrainians hiding here with minimal responsibilities I don't know how they can look in the mirror at themselves. And how on earth will they ever dare to show themselves in Ukraine when all this is over? How can they look at reports in the media of their fellow people back home living, working and resisting and justify their presence here??

They are the absolute worst is what they are. Ukraine is running low on recruits sending old men to the front whilst they hide here. Scumbags

[kadman]

The argument could be made that a persons first duty is to their family, especially considering how this government is treating its own people. People may end up feeling that they shouldn't be fighting for the benefit of those higher up the foodchain. Its an emotive issue for sure.You are damned if you do and damned if you dont.

[ceannairceach]

Interesting to see that after a vicious gang rape in the UK over the weekend which was attempted to be stopped by a female bystander (very brave woman) the police have issued a description of one of the assailants - as he is white - but not the rest.

How curious…..

[Jequ0n]

Interesting to see that after a vicious gang rape in the UK over the weekend which was attempted to be stopped by a female bystander (very brave woman) the police have issued a description of one of the assailants - as he is white - but not the rest.

How curious…..

Which case?

[ceannairceach]

Which case?

This one:

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-raped- ... d-13440491

Harrowing read.

This about the description:

https://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/ ... im-5337926

How in Gods name can they hope to find this scum without a description of them all ??

[Jequ0n]

This one:

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-raped- ... d-13440491

Harrowing read.

This about the description:

https://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/ ... im-5337926

How in Gods name can they hope to find this scum without a description of them all ??

“A white man”. Oh thank god

[ceannairceach]

“A white man”. Oh thank god

An arrest will be forthcoming I’m sure…../

[jmayo]

It's not sexist. Men fight wars if their homeland is at risk. We've one in our estate with his 2024 reg Tesla on Ukrainian plates. Get back to Ukraine and fight if your countries very survival is supposedly at stake instead of being a coward. I wouldn't mind a newish Tesla but because im taxed so high to keep scammers like him living here i can't afford one.

Let me in on a little secret.
That fooker will probably never go home.

And he will probably never be welcome back home.

Just imagine you went to school with that dude and you have been slogging away in Eastern Ukraine fighting the Russians, or maybe even working your ass off building drones or some sh**.
Your life has been turned upside down and you could be killed any day.
Your kids are having to somehow still go to school or maybe college.

And a piece of sh** that you know has legged it with his Tesla to see out the war in Ireland.
Oh and he gets money, accommodation and a lot more from the Irish state like a paid college place for his kids.

[jmayo]

If another state invaded Ireland next week, I'd expect every able bodied citizen to offer to serve in what capacity needed in order to resist. That includes myself and I trust you and others here.

Primarily men are at the sharp end of the front lines of defence but there's no reason at all why women should not be likewise.

And all able bodied others should be engaged in whatever various activities required to support the war effort.

As regards able bodied Ukrainians hiding here with minimal responsibilities I don't know how they can look in the mirror at themselves. And how on earth will they ever dare to show themselves in Ukraine when all this is over? How can they look at reports in the media of their fellow people back home living, working and resisting and justify their presence here??

Ah NewBroom, you don't appear to get the modern leftist mindset.
A liberal leftist would never understand how someone would fight or die for a nation or their fellow people.
They will never stick around when the sh** hits the fan.

It is like how they all want to rescue some refugees, some asylum seekers, but they will always have an excuse as to why they can't house them or even in the cases of the champagne socialists have them in their areas.

What is that old saying?
Tough times make hard men, hard men make good times, good times make soft men, soft men make tough times.