Israel and Palestine

[Bubblypop]

TBF, it has been shown that Hamas are one of the worst things to happen to Gaza. Less regard given to their own people then they do to bombing their neighbours. They shouldn't be anywhere near governance of Gaza.

[schmittel]

TBF, it has been shown that Hamas are one of the worst things to happen to Gaza. Less regard given to their own people then they do to bombing their neighbours. They shouldn't be anywhere near governance of Gaza.

Exactly. But it is bizarre that there are people who unable to understand that criticism of Israel's war crimes does not equate to support of Hamas.

[Bubblypop]

Exactly. But it is bizarre that there are people who unable to understand that criticism of Israel's war crimes does not equate to support of Hamas.

It's an unfortunate truth that every side in every conflict actually commit war crimes. Also every conflict has innocent people killed, injured, raped etc. People can be abhorred by actions of one side without endorsing the actions of the other.

[ceannairceach]

Exactly. But it is bizarre that there are people who unable to understand that criticism of Israel's war crimes does not equate to support of Hamas.

Keep telling yourself that eh ?

[ceannairceach]

Delighted to see Starmer has recognised Palestine as a state.

It now means the Hamas loving fcks in the UNWRA now have no role to play as their remit is for refugees - and sure you can’t be a refugee in your own country!!!

Well played loser!!

[schmittel]

Delighted to see Starmer has recognised Palestine as a state.

It now means the Hamas loving fcks in the UNWRA now have no role to play as their remit is for refugees - and sure you can’t be a refugee in your own country!!!

Well played loser!!

Also delighted to see the UK's official recognition. Along side Canada and France that's 3 of the 4 G7 nations. Quite the momentum for the two state solution.

[knownunknown]

Delighted to see Starmer has recognised Palestine as a state.

It now means the Hamas loving fcks in the UNWRA now have no role to play as their remit is for refugees - and sure you can’t be a refugee in your own country!!!

Well played loser!!

They haven’t had a part to play for a few months now ever since the GHF started. They were a big part of the problem.

[Belladonna]

Keep telling yourself that eh ?

Yes, it is absolutely possible to be critical of Netanyahu/the IDF AND Hamas. And I don't know anyone could genuinely think it isn't.

[ceannairceach]

They haven’t had a part to play for a few months now ever since the GHF started. They were a big part of the problem.

They were a part of 7 October - that alone should have seen them disbanded.

[knownunknown]

Just going to leave this here, speaks for itself.

[Catapulta]

With more States now recognising 'Palestine' can someone now tell me where exactly the Government of this entity is located and who is its Leader?

To me a lot of this sounds like virtue signaling of recognising an administration that does not exactly exist in the real world.

PS I am not against the concept of there being one down the road alongside a State of Israel

- but right now it seems like a distant dream...

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

With more States now recognising 'Palestine' can someone now tell me where exactly the Government of this entity is located and who is its Leader?

To me a lot of this sounds like virtue signaling of recognising an administration that does not exactly exist in the real world.

PS I am not against the concept of there being one down the road alongside a State of Israel

- but right now it seems like a distant dream...

Hey old buddy old pal. Onwards and upwards since the apparent demise of our former haunt politics.ie. There's a Palestinian Authority that even the wee failed Zionist statelet has recognised for many years now led by one Mahmoud Abbas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority

Trumpler and the Yanks wouldn't even allow him to come and speak at the UN General Assembly, I wonder why? Even Arafat was almost always allowed to attend the UN headquarters in New York. It's just the current tinpot administration in America that wants to renege on and breach long-standing agreements with the UN on allowing diplomats of all countries access to the UN as it's supposed to be the preeminent global body of international arbitration. Almost like the wee failed Zionist statelet put huge diplomatic pressure on Trump with whatever dirt they have on him to ensure they can continue being the world's preeminent terrorist statelet and bomb, shoot, starve Palestinian civilians until they are exterminated or ethnically cleansed from the Gaza Strip.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/20/worl ... tions.html

As for the distant dream, you gotta start somewhere old buddy, old pal. If we just keep allowing this nightmare to continue unabated, we will be collectively responsible for standing idly by and allowing a genocide, famine and ethnic cleansing to be perpetrated by the wee failed Zionist statelet. As bad as what happened when Churchill and the Allies knew full well what was going on in the Nazi death camps, but did nothing to help the European Jewish population during the Holocaust.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/a ... -holocaust

[Bubblypop]

Why do you keep referring to the 'wee failed Zionist statelet'?

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Keep telling yourself that eh ?

Informative post that one. Little personal jibes. Little disparaging remarks. Little bit of everything. You wouldn't happen to know 'Littler' would ye?

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Why do you keep referring to the 'wee failed Zionist statelet'?

Simple because the state of Israel has become a failed statelet ran by a few fanatical Zionist parties like Netyenyahoo's Likud or even more obviously Bezalel Smotrich and his National Party of Religious Zionists.

It's not even a play on words, it is almost certainly a reality given the harm and destruction they've done over 2 years in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Qatar, Tunisia etc. The rhetoric of these leaders like Smotrich and Netyenyahoo inevitably leads to one conclusion, they have Zionist aspirations of a greater Israel and will continue attempting to take more and more territory from the Palestinians and other nations around them. Soon there won't be a country in Western Asia or Northern Africa that they haven't attacked.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjz03vsixl

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa ... us_Zionism

[knownunknown]

Why do you keep referring to the 'wee failed Zionist statelet'?

It’s about hate for Jews, not support for Palestine.

Talking about how Israel attacked other countries…

Lebanon: hezbollah attacked Israel first after the Oct. 7th attacks.
Syria: golan heights taken when Assad regime fell. Uncertainty about who would take control (former isis). They helped with attacks against the massacre of Druze in April.
Iran: the biggest exporter of terrorism world wide had also attacked Israel
Qatar: was hosting the leaders of the Oct. 7th attack in comfortable hotels while their population starved and died.

Saying Israel attacked these countries without explaining why in just 17 posts here that poster has been recognized by pretty much everyone as an ideologue with no intention of balance. Pure activism. Not to be taken seriously.

Netanyahoo
Failed wee statelet
No condemnation of hamas
Etc…

The smell of Jew hatred here is strong.

[knownunknown]

Abbas just held his first speech as the new leader of the brand new Palestinian state.

He forgot to mention the terrible genocide happening in his country and instead called on the Hamas to lay down its weapons and surrender.

What is he thinking? If I was experiencing a genocide I’d like my leader to make that the main topic of discussion.

[Risteard]

Also delighted to see the UK's official recognition. Along side Canada and France that's 3 of the 4 G7 nations. Quite the momentum for the two state solution.

Palestine is ONE state only. A so-called "two state solution" is an abomination and a win for Zionist terrorism. The entity shall be obliterated.

[knownunknown]

They were a part of 7 October - that alone should have seen them disbanded.

Agree. Mahmoud Abbas has demanded their return as the new leader of Palestine. They perpetuated decades longs blood feuds, were co-opted by Hamas and many of their members were Hamas operatives or actively participated in Oct. 7th.

Why would Abbas be opposed to the GHF handing out aid directly to civilians? Because he won’t get a cut of the sales. Some 90% of trucks arriving from the UN never reached their targets and the civilians of Gaza had to buy the aid which was being given to them for free.

https://app.un2720.org/tracking/intercepted

We therefore demand a
permanent ceasefire, the guaranteed delivery of humanitarian aid through the United Nations and UNRWA- Abbas,

He has also promised this which looks good, but as usual the devil will be in the details.

The State of Palestine is pursuing a comprehensive reform agenda to
strengthen governance, transparency, and the rule of law. This includes
reforming the financial system and school curricula in line with UNESCO
standards within two years, and establishing a unified social welfare system following the cancellation of all previous payments to families of prisoners and martyrs, now under international audit by a specialized firm.

-Abbas

They are going to remove the “pay to slay” policies of Hamas and stop all existing payments. A lot of people are going to be upset. Good thing for humanity though if it actually happens.

[knownunknown]

You know what? Apart from wanting UNRWA back I support everything Abbas has said and hope now the hostages can be released immediately, Hamas give up their arms and then Abbas and the PLO will have 1 year to prepare for elections.

Hopefully this now can lead to actual lasting peace. I fear this is a naive view and the above won’t actually be implemented, but fingers crossed.

Hamas are now solely a terrorist rogue organization that no longer administers Gaza. They have zero justification for further holding hostages or taking up arms and I would hope the world starts to be more critical of their actions now that Abbas is in charge.

And I say to the Israeli people: Our future and your future lie in peace. Let the violence and war end. Our generations deserve to live in security and freedom, so that the peoples of our region may live in lasting peace and good neighborliness. On this occasion, I wish all Jews around the world a happy New Year on the occasion of Rosh Hashanah.

And to our steadfast Palestinian people, in Palestine and everywhere, I say: the dawn of freedom and independence is inevitably coming.

Peace be upon you.

-Abbas

[knownunknown]

I’m yet to see a single statement made by Hamas about this whole thing. Will they cooperate with Abbas and the international community or will they say feck you and continue fighting?

Why are the media not pressing Hamas on a response here? Their response is the most important of all as everything hinges on what they do next.

Judging from history, my guess will be Hamas will tell Abbas to go feck himself. Just like they threw the PLO off rooftops in 2005.

[NattyO]

I’m yet to see a single statement made by Hamas about this whole thing. Will they cooperate with Abbas and the international community or will they say feck you and continue fighting?

Why are the media not pressing Hamas on a response here? Their response is the most important of all as everything hinges on what they do next.

Judging from history, my guess will be Hamas will tell Abbas to go feck himself. Just like they threw the PLO off rooftops in 2005.

I can't see Hamas going along with this - this smacks of a "community leader" telling drug dealers to hand over their gear and go back to being law abiding. Hamas are gangsters who's power and profits lie in keeping the war going.

[knownunknown]

I can't see Hamas going along with this - this smacks of a "community leader" telling drug dealers to hand over their gear and go back to being law abiding. Hamas are gangsters who's power and profits lie in keeping the war going.

This goes back to 2006 when they set up their government and refused to acknowledge the state of Israel so other political parties and the international community rejected them. Now again they have the option to recognize Israel and live in peace we shall see what happens next. It’s their fault and their fault alone this “open air prison” people speak about.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh formed a new PA government on 29 March 2006 comprising mostly Hamas members. Fatah and other factions had refused to join, especially as Hamas refused to accept the Quartet's conditions, such as recognition of Israel and earlier agreements. As a result, a substantial part of the international community, especially Israel, the United States and European Union countries, refused to deal with the Hamas government and imposed sanctions

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

It’s about hate for Jews, not support for Palestine.

Talking about how Israel attacked other countries…

Lebanon: hezbollah attacked Israel first after the Oct. 7th attacks.
Syria: golan heights taken when Assad regime fell. Uncertainty about who would take control (former isis). They helped with attacks against the massacre of Druze in April.
Iran: the biggest exporter of terrorism world wide had also attacked Israel
Qatar: was hosting the leaders of the Oct. 7th attack in comfortable hotels while their population starved and died.

Saying Israel attacked these countries without explaining why in just 17 posts here that poster has been recognized by pretty much everyone as an ideologue with no intention of balance. Pure activism. Not to be taken seriously.

Netanyahoo
Failed wee statelet
No condemnation of hamas
Etc…

The smell of Jew hatred here is strong.

That's a lot of assumptions you're making there. I already said in one of my previous posts October 7th was an atrocity committed by Hamas. You conveniently ignore that to go down the route of this must be Anti-Semitism. Anti-Zionism is not Anti-Semitism. There are plenty of good upstanding Jewish individuals who I also already said in a previous post are against Zionism. Chomsky, Finkelstein, Sanders etc.

You're just stirring the pot with this Anti-Semitism crap because there is nothing else to defend the unbelievable state terrorism of Israel, the wee failed Zionist statelet, which is as bad, and now is even 60 times worse than anything Hamas did. At a bare minimum, nearly 65,000 have died in Gaza. The real death toll could be in the hundreds of thousands, even the IDF admit that.

Stop pretending there's any moral high ground for the wee failed Zionist statelet anymore. They're eradicating an entire people. Just the same as the Nazis did to the European Jews during WW2. This is not a war anymore against Hamas. It is a war against the very existence of the Palestinian people.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

You know what? Apart from wanting UNRWA back I support everything Abbas has said and hope now the hostages can be released immediately, Hamas give up their arms and then Abbas and the PLO will have 1 year to prepare for elections.

Hopefully this now can lead to actual lasting peace. I fear this is a naive view and the above won’t actually be implemented, but fingers crossed.

Hamas are now solely a terrorist rogue organization that no longer administers Gaza. They have zero justification for further holding hostages or taking up arms and I would hope the world starts to be more critical of their actions now that Abbas is in charge.



-Abbas

The GHF are a proxy of the wee failed Zionist statelet and their backers the Yanks. How many more Palestinian children need to be shot or bombed in bread queues ran by the GHF? They have been deliberately targeted by the IDF and the GHF does nothing but prolong the malnutrition and famine of the Palestinian people as a psychological warfare tool to drive them away from their homes by deliberately limiting the number of aid sites.

Why would anyone not want UNRWA back on the ground except if they support the genocidal ethnic cleansing regime who want no independent monitors, journalists or outsiders of any kind to bear witness to the never ending atrocities in Gaza. It's beyond a joke. If UNRWA is let in, the game's up. No more indiscriminate bombing, targeting of civilians or forced displacement without even more documented evidence accruing that will inevitably be used at the future war crimes trial in the Hague for Netyenyahoo and the Zionist cowboys. That's why they're kept out.