Eurovision only without Israel

[marhay70]

This is who led the campaign for Israel’s boycott.

Who is this bint and what is her background?

[knownunknown]

Who is this bint and what is her background?

The 2011 Great Thurnberg.

https://www.limerickpost.ie/2024/07/28/ ... -years-on/

Her one piece of evidence that the ICJ determined a case of plausible genocide has been debunked by the person who was the head of the ICJ at the time Joan Donoghue on a BBC program called hard talk.

So her case of boycott is reliant on fake news, demonstrably so.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Vile, utter inhuman bollocks - which you are trying to project into others.

The remaining hostages are likely being held where most of the rest were, in “ordinary Gazans” homes. In other words every part of that rotten shitty strip of land is full of scumbags who have held and tortured innocent 7 October victims for nearly two years.

Israel goes in to get them and the useful idiots publish tear stained pictures of the wife (or one of them) of a “Doctor” (I.e. Hamas underling …) and the media lap it up.

But you people know this deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties …

So you're saying the murder or injury by bombing, shooting or starving of almost 200,000 Palestinian people in Gaza over 2 years is justified by the search for what's estimated at this stage to be about 20 live Israeli hostages?

Jaysus wouldn't want you in control of the lever on the trolley problem pal. You'd let the train run over 200 Palestinians just to save 1 hostage with that kind of 'blow'em all up there now' kind of logic. Any kind of pressure on the wee failed Zionist statelet is justified now, everyone knows it's genocide, no ifs buts or maybes. The war criminals should have been sanctioned to death long ago, never mind this pussyfooting around with a song and dance competition.

[Guburnor]

So you're saying the murder or injury by bombing, shooting or starving of almost 200,000 Palestinian people in Gaza over 2 years is justified by the search for what's estimated at this stage to be about 20 live Israeli hostages?

Jaysus wouldn't want you in control of the lever on the trolley problem pal. You'd let the train run over 200 Palestinians just to save 1 hostage with that kind of 'blow'em all up there now' kind of logic. Any kind of pressure on the wee failed Zionist statelet is justified now, everyone knows it's genocide, no ifs buts or maybes. The war criminals should have been sanctioned to death long ago, never mind this pussyfooting around with a song and dance competition.

I have a bit of a thing about the use of the phrase "So you're saying". I do realise you phrased it as a question, but more often than not it's unhelpful to fostering reasonable discussion. You could make the same point by rephrasing it to something along the lines of "Do you really believe the murder or injury" etc etc.

Unless it's crystal clear a poster is saying something specifically, please refrain from the "So you're saying" line of argument.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

I have a bit of a thing about the use of the phrase "So you're saying". I do realise you phrased it as a question, but more often than not it's unhelpful to fostering reasonable discussion. You could make the same point by rephrasing it to something along the lines of "Do you really believe the murder or injury" etc etc.

Unless it's crystal clear a poster is saying something specifically, please refrain from the "So you're saying" line of argument.

Fair enough Guburnor. I was being pretty facetious. I just have a thing that when I see someone using words like vile and inhuman to describe a fairly innocuous post, that means they're not engaging with the argument either and are sending the general level of discourse down the jacks, so I tend to respond in kind. If they play by the rules then I'll play by the rules.

[ceannairceach]

What words should we use to describe a rag tag “army” of brutal gang rapists and murderers???

Seeing as “vile and inhuman” so offended the terrorist supporting community.

[knownunknown]

Fair enough Guburnor. I was being pretty facetious. I just have a thing that when I see someone using words like vile and inhuman to describe a fairly innocuous post

It wasn’t innocuous. That poster was saying that hostages kidnapped against their will for over 500 days ago in brutal conditions by Hamas were patsies and just an excuse for a genocide and ethnic cleansing. They were telling me to no longer care about these people.

It was a disgusting, vile post that is for sure. Your recharacterization of it doesn’t alter reality.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

How is it a vile or inhuman post? It's a well known fact that the government of the wee failed Zionist statelet has had multiple opportunities to get more of the hostages back. Every time the Qataris came to the negotiation table with Israel and Hamas offered more hostages in return for more aid into Gaza or a ceasefire, they have been rejected by Netyenyahoo and the Zionist cowboys.

The Zionist cowboys even went completely ballistic and even bombed the peacemakers in their own patch recently. That's the reality. The poor hostages are pawns, or patsies as the other person put it, in a very sick game where absolutely zero good faith or effort has been shown by Netyenyahoo and the rest of the government. They know if this war ends, their goose is cooked and they'll be removed from power in Israel at least, and at best they'll be out on a big happy family flight to the Hague for war crimes, genocide and numerous other crimes against humanity.

Hamas couldn't launch a fly off their dinner table at this point, never mind a rocket strike. What use is there in stringing along peace talks and keeping this war going unless there's an ulterior motive of grab more land and keep turning the screws on innocent Palestinian civilians. The huge protests in Israel are all about the hostages it's sad to say, yet Netyenyahoo remains unmoved. The unbelievable suffering of the ordinary Gazans is a distant thought in many minds in Israel unfortunately.

Offers have been there on the table, yet constantly rejected. Why? So they can continue launching million dollar missiles at already destroyed buildings and rubble in Gaza, turning them into ever finer layers of dust? Is more death and destruction really going to bring back the hostages? It's now all too clear what the wee failed statelet's agenda is. It's the genocide and the ethnic cleansing of Gaza not the return of the hostages.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/ ... uce-offers

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8gzm0p1y8o.amp

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... plan-hamas

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... 7f5ddb0000

[ceannairceach]

It wasn’t innocuous. That poster was saying that hostages kidnapped against their will for over 500 days ago in brutal conditions by Hamas were patsies and just an excuse for a genocide and ethnic cleansing. They were telling me to no longer care about these people.

It was a disgusting, vile post that is for sure. Your recharacterization of it doesn’t alter reality.

100%

[ceannairceach]

How is it a vile or inhuman post? It's a well known fact that the government of the wee failed Zionist statelet has had multiple opportunities to get more of the hostages back. Every time the Qataris came to the negotiation table with Israel and Hamas offered more hostages in return for more aid into Gaza or a ceasefire, they have been rejected by Netyenyahoo and the Zionist cowboys.

The Zionist cowboys even went completely ballistic and even bombed the peacemakers in their own patch recently. That's the reality. The poor hostages are pawns, or patsies as the other person put it, in a very sick game where absolutely zero good faith or effort has been shown by Netyenyahoo and the rest of the government. They know if this war ends, their goose is cooked and they'll be removed from power in Israel at least, and at best they'll be out on a big happy family flight to the Hague for war crimes, genocide and numerous other crimes against humanity.

Hamas couldn't launch a fly off their dinner table at this point, never mind a rocket strike. What use is there in stringing along peace talks and keeping this war going unless there's an ulterior motive of grab more land and keep turning the screws on innocent Palestinian civilians. The huge protests in Israel are all about the hostages it's sad to say. The unbelievable suffering of the ordinary Gazans is a distant thought in many minds there unfortunately.

Offers have been there on the table, yet constantly rejected. Why? So they can continue launching million dollar missiles at already destroyed buildings and rubble in Gaza, turning them into ever finer layers of dust? Is more death and destruction really going to bring back the hostages? It's now all too clear what the wee failed statelet's agenda is. It's the genocide and the ethnic cleansing of Gaza not the return of the hostages.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/ ... uce-offers

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8gzm0p1y8o.amp

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... plan-hamas

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... 7f5ddb0000

“Offered more hostages for aid …”

So treated people like bargaining chips to get more aid which they will sell for arms like they did with the rest of?

They’re fcking kidnappers, rapists and murderers and to see anyone defending Hamas turns my fecking stomach.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

“Offered more hostages for aid …”

So treated people like bargaining chips to get more aid which they will sell for arms like they did with the rest of?

They’re fcking kidnappers, rapists and murderers and to see anyone defending Hamas turns my fecking stomach.

What would you do? The Palestinian people are being hammered by bullets and bombs and lack access to basic human necessities for survival such as food and water. That's 2 million people held hostage in Gaza by a bunch of Zionist fanatics.

How can you be worried about just the allegedly 20 still living Israeli hostages while not caring about the thousands of Palestinians interned and rotting in Israeli jails and the 2 million people in the world's largest concentration camp?

There are no angels in such a dirty detestable war like this. Hamas would be insane to give up the only leverage they have left for nothing, given the pressure it puts on Netyenyahoo's government through the growing anti-war protests in Israel all seeking return of the hostages. That's reality for the two million and twenty hostages in Gaza. Everyone wants a deal except the leaders of the wee failed Zionist statelet.

[knownunknown]

“Offered more hostages for aid …”

So treated people like bargaining chips to get more aid which they will sell for arms like they did with the rest of?

They’re fcking kidnappers, rapists and murderers and to see anyone defending Hamas turns my fecking stomach.

This stemmed from was a poster about an Israeli hostage and I asked, can you support the Palestinian people without attacking Israelis? Most of them clearly can’t and their agenda is transparent. Attack, attack, attack Israel, that’s all they have and it’s fecking tiresome.

Those hostages abducted from their homes while they slept was a war crime and instead of unequivocally calling for their return these disgusting people see them merely as a bargaining chip.

#untilthelasthostage.

Hamas can give up the hostages and surrender at anytime and if Israel continue after that the whole world would join them in calling the Israelis murderers committing a genocide, but they haven’t.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

This stemmed from was a poster about an Israeli hostage and I asked, can you support the Palestinian people without attacking Israelis? Most of them clearly can’t and their agenda is transparent. Attack, attack, attack Israel, that’s all they have and it’s fecking tiresome.

Those hostages abducted from their homes while they slept was a war crime and instead of unequivocally calling for their return these disgusting people see them merely as a bargaining chip.

Yep that's terrible. So show the same compassion for the 2 million held hostage in Gaza and all the war crimes committed against them. How is an Israeli civilian's life worth any more or less than a Palestinian civilian's life? They're of equal value aren't they?

[ceannairceach]

This stemmed from was a poster about an Israeli hostage and I asked, can you support the Palestinian people without attacking Israelis? Most of them clearly can’t and their agenda is transparent. Attack, attack, attack Israel, that’s all they have and it’s fecking tiresome.

Those hostages abducted from their homes while they slept was a war crime and instead of unequivocally calling for their return these disgusting people see them merely as a bargaining chip.

#untilthelasthostage.

Hamas can give up the hostages and surrender at anytime and if Israel continue after that the whole world would join them in calling the Israelis murderers committing a genocide, but they haven’t.

Bullshit Hamas propaganda which deserves to be ignored and mocked.

[knownunknown]

Yep that's terrible. So show the same compassion for the 2 million held hostage in Gaza and all the war crimes committed against them. How is an Israeli civilian's life worth any more or less than a Palestinian civilian's life? They're of equal value aren't they?

I have a lot of sympathy for the people of Gaza and I’ve said it numerous times in the Israel thread. I especially have sympathy for those who live under the iron fist of Hamas but don’t buy into their bullshit and just want to live normal lives in their homes with their families.
The ones who risk death by speaking out against hamas. The ones who were brutalized by Hamas for speaking about the atrocities under their rule one year before Oct 7th attacks(during organized protests suppressed by Hamas).

Unfortunately large sections of their society have been taken over by murderous ideologues and to root them out means masss temporary displacement of people. Moving this amount of people around leads to problems with logistics with food etc.. sometimes there are mistakes in the timing of activating these zones and innocent people die. It’s an awful, brutal reality of a war which Hamas started on Oct. 7th.

You say Hamas have no control anymore, so why don’t they give up the hostages and surrender? You realize if they did and Israel didn’t stop its onslaught then everyone would join your cause, you realize this, right?

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Bullshit Hamas propaganda which deserves to be ignored and mocked.

Very helpful post to establish your position on the matter. All the links I posted above, BBC, Al Jazeera, even Hareetz (an Israeli publication) are all Hamas propaganda. Amazing insight. How did you arrive at this position? Care to share any reasons or evidence there along with the ad hominem?

[ceannairceach]

I have a lot of sympathy for the people of Gaza and I’ve said it numerous times in the Israel thread. I especially have sympathy for those who live under the iron fist of Hamas but don’t buy into their bullshit and just want to live normal lives in their homes with their families.
The ones who risk death by speaking out against hamas. The ones who were brutalized by Hamas for speaking about the atrocities under their rule one year before Oct 7th attacks(during organized protests suppressed by Hamas).

Unfortunately large sections of their society have been taken over by murderous ideologues and to root them out means masss temporary displacement of people. Moving this amount of people around leads to problems with logistics with food etc.. sometimes there are mistakes in the timing of activating these zones and innocent people die. It’s an awful, brutal reality of a war which Hamas started on Oct. 7th.

You say Hamas have no control anymore, so why don’t they give up the hostages and surrender? You realize if they did and Israel didn’t stop its onslaught then everyone would join your cause, you realize this, right?

But then how will they get their anti Jewish fix ???

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

I have a lot of sympathy for the people of Gaza and I’ve said it numerous times in the Israel thread. I especially have sympathy for those who live under the iron fist of Hamas but don’t buy into their bullshit and just want to live normal lives in their homes with their families.
The ones who risk death by speaking out against hamas. The ones who were brutalized by Hamas for speaking about the atrocities under their rule one year before Oct 7th attacks(during organized protests suppressed by Hamas).

Unfortunately large sections of their society have been taken over by murderous ideologues and to root them out means masss temporary displacement of people. Moving this amount of people around leads to problems with logistics with food etc.. sometimes there are mistakes in the timing of activating these zones and innocent people die. It’s an awful, brutal reality of a war which Hamas started on Oct. 7th.

You say Hamas have no control anymore, so why don’t they give up the hostages and surrender? You realize if they did and Israel didn’t stop its onslaught then everyone would join your cause, you realize this, right?

Mass temporary displacement, you mean ethnic cleansing don't you?

The wee failed Zionist statelet has obligations under international law that they have utterly ignored for nearly two years now. They are meant to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants and act accordingly. They have never done that since day 1 of this invasion. Hence, why every major international humanitarian body and organization says it's a deliberate genocide, deliberate starvation, deliberate collective punishment all targeted against the Gazan civilian population.

As I already said above, who in their right mind would give up the hostages without gaining something for it. That's why the wee failed Zionist terrorist statelet is as fond as Hamas of capturing bargaining chips as the other poster put it. Thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians have been interned without trial for years now so they can trade for Israeli hostages. It's nothing new, that's been going on for decades. Just now the stakes are far higher because an entire ethnic group might be erased if the wee failed Zionist statelet has it's wicked way with them and gets all that they want.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

But then how will they get their anti Jewish fix ???

Anti-Zionist fix. Many Jews around the world are as opposed to Israel and it's war criminal policies as any other sane human being would be. Noam Chomsky, Normal Finkelstein, Bernie Sanders, they are Jews that all oppose the Zionist project and it's leaders engaged in some kind of nihilistic death cult.

[ceannairceach]

Anyone else fancy a drinking game every time we read “wee failed Zionist statelet” ??

Might as well get some use out of the posts!!

[Guburnor]

MOD NOTE: Please be civil guys, if you cannot discuss this subject without getting overly worked up then please steer clear of the debate. The way it's going I have little choice but to start banning posters. So please keep it civil.

[NattyO]

Anyone else fancy a drinking game every time we read “wee failed Zionist statelet” ??

Might as well get some use out of the posts!!

It's funny because, regardless of whether one loves, hates, or is completely apathetic about Israel, a failed state it certainly isn't.

[ceannairceach]

It's funny because, regardless of whether one loves, hates, or is completely apathetic about Israel, a failed state it certainly isn't.

They’re awful at genocide given the population is largely stable if you don’t count the scumbag Hamas and their supporters.

That being said they’re bloody dire at famines …

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/P ... ank%20(10).

[schmittel]

They’re awful at genocide given the population is largely stable if you don’t count the scumbag Hamas and their supporters.

That being said they’re bloody dire at famines …

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/P ... ank%20(10).

What's the point here, I don't get it?

[ceannairceach]

What's the point here, I don't get it?

Don’t do that it’s a cheap tactic.

The point is clear.