Israel and Palestine

[Jequ0n]

Some still harp on about “ Tiocfaidh ár lá” and say our war will never end until full control. Most sensible people have moved on, solely to avoid bloodshed.

When Ireland started its war of independence it seized government buildings and government offices trying to control the government. That’s an act of war, not the spineless IRA terrorists who would plant bombs and then retreat into the shadows. They were gutless cowards perpetuating hate and conflict.

Hamas has had full control of their government since they were elected in 2005, it was supposed to be a parliamentary system where they shared some power with the minority parties, but they decided no more elections and threw their rivals off the rooftops. The removal of the Israeli settlers from Gaza, by force and at gunpoint by the Israeli government, did nothing to appease Hamas, the controlling power in Gaza.

Since then they’ve had a defacto-state and total control over their daily lives. They live off of international donations and without them their population couldn’t possible have boomed in the last few decades like it has, as one of the fastest growing populations in the world. When they decided to invade Israel and slaughter thousands and taken hundreds hostage on Oct. 7th, from the comfort of their Qatari hotels mind you, they started a war. One nation invaded another and targeted civilians by raping and murdering them.

The ira bombing the uk is not an act of war until the IRA are the political party that represents us, which is why they have always been opposed by the great people of Ireland.

Personally, I couldn’t care less about either country and its inhabitants. The whole region has a mess and I never recall a period where there hasn’t been conflict.
Neither side wants peace so there won’t be any. They can continue killing each other as much as they want because it won’t make a single difference to me.

[knownunknown]

Personally, I couldn’t care less about either country and its inhabitants. The whole region has a mess and I never recall a period where there hasn’t been conflict.
Neither side wants peace so there won’t be any. They can continue killing each other as much as they want because it won’t make a single difference to me.

So why come into a thread you don’t care about and conflate both sides as the same? Israel made a paradise in the desert, irrigation schemes, farming, militarily, advancements in technology that genuinely helped the world around them. They didn’t start the wars with the neighbouring arab states, but they did eventually end most of them ratifying agreements with Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc.. where they have no more land disputes.

Here’s an angle that might grab you, Hamas are just a bunch of murdering terrorist scumbags who have never contributed anything. They have lived off the tit of international donations for decades, and in fact it is in their best interest to see their civilians die as the donations come flooding in.
A high proportion of Nobel laureates are Jewish, (22% while they represent 0.2% of world population)not because of some grand conspiracy but because as a culture they place great emphasis on education.

The world would be worse off for everyone if the only Jewish state in the world didn’t exist, a state a 1/4 the size of Ireland who have been attacked umpteen times since their inception.

[Jequ0n]

So why come into a thread you don’t care about and conflate both sides as the same? Israel made a paradise in the desert, irrigation schemes, farming, militarily, advancements in technology that genuinely helped the world around them. They didn’t start the wars with the neighbouring arab states, but they did eventually end most of them ratifying agreements with Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc.. where they have no more land disputes.

Here’s an angle that might grab you, Hamas are just a bunch of murdering terrorist scumbags who have never contributed anything. They have lived off the tit of international donations for decades, and in fact it is in their best interest to see their civilians die as the donations come flooding in.
A high proportion of Nobel laureates are Jewish, (22% while they represent 0.2% of world population)not because of some grand conspiracy but because as a culture they place great emphasis on education.

The world would be worse off for everyone if the only Jewish state in the world didn’t exist, a state a 1/4 the size of Ireland who have been attacked umpteen times since their inception.

Israel did not achieve anything by its own accord but has been majorly supported on every level by the West, and without it they’d be lost but the humble government is too up their own asses to ever admit it. Frankly, I find it tiring to constantly hear the old holocaust rationale why they need to be protected and supported.

Of course Gaza is Hamas/ terrorist run, but that’s hardly surprising since Israel has been proving extremists with ample reasons to ramp up support for their freedom fight.

I do hope that Netanyahu and his cohorts loose some international support and let Israel stand on its own feet.

[ceannairceach]

Israel did not achieve anything by its own accord but has been majorly supported on every level by the West, and without it they’d be lost but the humble government is too up their own asses to ever admit it. Frankly, I find it tiring to constantly hear the old holocaust rationale why they need to be protected and supported.

Of course Gaza is Hamas/ terrorist run, but that’s hardly surprising since Israel has been proving extremists with ample reasons to ramp up support for their freedom fight.

I do hope that Netanyahu and his cohorts loose some international support and let Israel stand on its own feet.

Victim blaming much ???

[Jequ0n]

Victim blaming much ???

Can’t see how I blamed anyone who can be perceived as a victim here.

[ceannairceach]

Can’t see how I blamed anyone who can be perceived as a victim here.

Apologies - I’m tired of seeing people excusing the vile events of 7 October and misread.

[Jequ0n]

Apologies - I’m tired of seeing people excusing the vile events of 7 October and misread.

No offence taken.

[knownunknown]

The GHF worker who gave an “expose” a few months back, Anthony Aguilar gets more of his lies dismantled.

[knownunknown]

Former US special forces veteran, Lieutenant-Colonel Anthony Aguilar, says he routinely witnessed Israeli forces and American colleagues deliberately targeting and killing unarmed Palestinian civilians at GHF anti-humanitarian (death traps) "aid" sites in Gaza.



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Everybody lies except the Israeli butchers - if one were to believe the Israelis and their supporters of genocide!
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No, just Aguilar is a fecking liar. As usual it might take a few weeks but all the bullshit propaganda comes out as truth eventually.

[PureIsle]

Just a few quotes that might cause some to consider what the Zionist regime is doing in Palestine.

“We are destroying more and more homes. Palestinians will have nowhere to return to, and the natural result is the mass displacement of Palestinians from Gaza.” [Netanyahu]

“They will have no electricity, no food, no fuel. Gaza will never return to what it was — we will destroy everything there with no concessions.” [Galant — Defense Minister]

“All Palestinians must leave Gaza immediately. They will get not a drop of water or power until they die.” [Katz — Energy Minister, speaking at the time]

“This is the final warning. Bring down Hamas and return the hostages to us, then you may leave Gaza. Otherwise, total destruction and extermination. We will act with a force you have never seen before.” [Katz, again]

“No compromise. Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat — total destruction. ‘You will erase the memory of the Amalekites from under the sky.’” [Smotrich — Finance Minister]

“The government is accelerating the erasure of Gaza from the face of the earth. All of Gaza will be Jewish. Thank God — we are turning this people, raised on the book ‘Mein Kampf,’ into ash.” [Eliahu — Minister of Heritage]

“There are no innocent Palestinians. They are all guilty, every one of them a terrorist. You ask ‘are there inhabitants?’ — there are no inhabitants there. Only two and a half million terrorists.” [Eliahu]

“Gaza must be completely destroyed.” [Golan — Minister of ‘Social Equality’]

“I don’t care about the objectives. Just bomb whatever you see. Turn the homes into ashes.” [Netanyahu]

“Now we have a common goal: to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. Don’t leave a single child there — take them all.” [Vaturi — Deputy Speaker of the Knesset]

“Every child in Gaza is a terrorist from birth. Kill every adult in Gaza and take the children. We are over-indulging them. We must erase Gaza from the map — there are no innocents there.” [Vaturi]

“Every child in Gaza is our enemy. We must occupy Gaza, and there must not remain a single Palestinian child there. There is no other solution.” [Feiglin — former leader of the Zehut party]

“There is no famine in Gaza. Frankly, we shouldn’t care.” [Eliahu]

“There are no innocents in Gaza. Yes, even children should be killed. There is no other choice.” [Valdiger — an MP in the governing coalition]

“Gaza must be utterly destroyed. Every Palestinian will be judged — and that judgment is death.” [Kalezi — member of the National Security Council, responding to accusations of genocide]

“I’m not sure what you meant by saying we should treat their children and women. I hope you don’t endorse that. The rules of the natural world do not apply there.” [Halifi — member of the governing coalition, replying to a doctor’s request to allow pain relief for wounded Palestinian children]

“We have two goals. The first is that not a single Muslim remain on the land of Israel. The second is that after annexing these lands, Gaza will remain only a monument to Sodom.” [Halifi]

“We keep our promise that there will be no Palestinian state. This place belongs to us.” [Netanyahu]"

https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1967485211 ... W5gYg&s=19

[knownunknown]

Just a few quotes that might cause some to consider what the Zionist regime is doing in
“I don’t care about the objectives. Just bomb whatever you see. Turn the homes into ashes.” [Netanyahu]

https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1967485211 ... W5gYg&s=19

Have you got a source for this? It’s quite serious if he said that.

A lot of what is said here is said in anger by people who had loved ones raped, murdered and abducted in a day that saw more Jewish people attacked since wwii.

A lot of it is propaganda I guess as I searched google and haven’t been able to find these quotes attributed to anyone. Let’s go one by one.

[ceannairceach]

Just a few quotes that might cause some to consider what the Zionist regime is doing in Palestine.

“We are destroying more and more homes. Palestinians will have nowhere to return to, and the natural result is the mass displacement of Palestinians from Gaza.” [Netanyahu]

“They will have no electricity, no food, no fuel. Gaza will never return to what it was — we will destroy everything there with no concessions.” [Galant — Defense Minister]

“All Palestinians must leave Gaza immediately. They will get not a drop of water or power until they die.” [Katz — Energy Minister, speaking at the time]

“This is the final warning. Bring down Hamas and return the hostages to us, then you may leave Gaza. Otherwise, total destruction and extermination. We will act with a force you have never seen before.” [Katz, again]

“No compromise. Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat — total destruction. ‘You will erase the memory of the Amalekites from under the sky.’” [Smotrich — Finance Minister]

“The government is accelerating the erasure of Gaza from the face of the earth. All of Gaza will be Jewish. Thank God — we are turning this people, raised on the book ‘Mein Kampf,’ into ash.” [Eliahu — Minister of Heritage]

“There are no innocent Palestinians. They are all guilty, every one of them a terrorist. You ask ‘are there inhabitants?’ — there are no inhabitants there. Only two and a half million terrorists.” [Eliahu]

“Gaza must be completely destroyed.” [Golan — Minister of ‘Social Equality’]

“I don’t care about the objectives. Just bomb whatever you see. Turn the homes into ashes.” [Netanyahu]

“Now we have a common goal: to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. Don’t leave a single child there — take them all.” [Vaturi — Deputy Speaker of the Knesset]

“Every child in Gaza is a terrorist from birth. Kill every adult in Gaza and take the children. We are over-indulging them. We must erase Gaza from the map — there are no innocents there.” [Vaturi]

“Every child in Gaza is our enemy. We must occupy Gaza, and there must not remain a single Palestinian child there. There is no other solution.” [Feiglin — former leader of the Zehut party]

“There is no famine in Gaza. Frankly, we shouldn’t care.” [Eliahu]

“There are no innocents in Gaza. Yes, even children should be killed. There is no other choice.” [Valdiger — an MP in the governing coalition]

“Gaza must be utterly destroyed. Every Palestinian will be judged — and that judgment is death.” [Kalezi — member of the National Security Council, responding to accusations of genocide]

“I’m not sure what you meant by saying we should treat their children and women. I hope you don’t endorse that. The rules of the natural world do not apply there.” [Halifi — member of the governing coalition, replying to a doctor’s request to allow pain relief for wounded Palestinian children]

“We have two goals. The first is that not a single Muslim remain on the land of Israel. The second is that after annexing these lands, Gaza will remain only a monument to Sodom.” [Halifi]

“We keep our promise that there will be no Palestinian state. This place belongs to us.” [Netanyahu]"

https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1967485211 ... W5gYg&s=19

Were you not cautioned about this kind of dumping? Theyre just a Twitter feed with zero facts. Pathetic.

[NewBroom]

Well the UN for all their faults and weaknesses have finally stated what is blatantly obvious to everyone. Israel is engaged in committing genocide.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/202 ... sion-gaza/

How the world turns on it's head - the very people who suffered genocide are now major perpetrators of same. An using very inefficient barbaric ways. Let them be cut adrift from world affairs.

[marhay70]

Were you not cautioned about this kind of dumping? Theyre just a Twitter feed with zero facts. Pathetic.

Par for the course for some people since the thread started.

[PureIsle]

Well the UN for all their faults and weaknesses have finally stated what is blatantly obvious to everyone. Israel is engaged in committing genocide.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/202 ... sion-gaza/

How the world turns on it's head - the very people who suffered genocide are now major perpetrators of same. An using very inefficient barbaric ways. Let them be cut adrift from world affairs.

Adrift from world affairs is not sufficient IMO.
The whole Zionist project needs to be dismantled and wiped from the face of the earth, and those who have promoted and supported it should be isolated from normal commerce - preferably in the most secure and uncomfortable conditions available.

But of course this is not Israel's first genocide dance, they got some practice previously ...

On this day in 1982, the Lebanese Phalangist militia (Kataeb Party), backed by lsrael, perpetrated a massacre in the southern Beirut neighborhood of Sabra and Palestinian refugee camp Shatila that lasted 3 days (16 - 18 September) and claimed the lives of thousands of Palestinian refugees and Lebanese citizens.

On 16 December 1982, the UN General Assembly declared the massacre "an act of genocide."

Back then it took just 3 months for that determination of genocide, but these days it takes much longer (political reasons?). Meanwhile the genocide continues, and it is now accelerating as the Israeli butchers do their ground invasion of Gaza city, having levelled the area for all practical purposes.

... and still we have people denying what is shown to all of us on a daily basis. Despicable!

[NattyO]

The whole Zionist project needs to be dismantled and wiped from the face of the earth

Well that'll reassure them!

[knownunknown]

Well the UN for all their faults and weaknesses have finally stated what is blatantly obvious to everyone. Israel is engaged in committing genocide.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/202 ... sion-gaza/

How the world turns on it's head - the very people who suffered genocide are now major perpetrators of same. An using very inefficient barbaric ways. Let them be cut adrift from world affairs.

The report above says “continues to commit genocide”

Is this like the time the ICJ came out and said genocide was plausible, then the former ICJ head Joan Donoghue had to go on BBC’s face to face to clarify that’s not what was said at all and it was lies pushed by the Hamas side.



Where’s the news here? New facts? It seems they are still working off of old propaganda like the picture of the malnurished child in the report above by Rte, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that child has a genetic disorder.

[ceannairceach]

Well the UN for all their faults and weaknesses have finally stated what is blatantly obvious to everyone. Israel is engaged in committing genocide.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/202 ... sion-gaza/

How the world turns on it's head - the very people who suffered genocide are now major perpetrators of same. An using very inefficient barbaric ways. Let them be cut adrift from world affairs.

Yes because reacting to a vile barbaric act is the same as minding your own business and being destroyed methodically. Give your head a shake ffs.

They literally had a vastly obese spokesperson claiming a famine and the usual Hamas loving idiots lapped it up. Pun intended.

[ceannairceach]

The report above says “continues to commit genocide”

Is this like the time the ICJ came out and said genocide was plausible, then the former ICJ head Joan Donoghue had to go on BBC’s face to face to clarify that’s not what was said at all and it was lies pushed by the Hamas side.



Where’s the news here? New facts? It seems they are still working off of old propaganda like the picture of the malnurished child in the report above by Rte, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that child has a genetic disorder.

The BBC might as well rebrand as Hamas Today and abandon all pretence.

[knownunknown]

The BBC might as well rebrand as Hamas Today and abandon all pretence.

They’ve had some decent reporting like the above by Stephen Sackur but some absolutely abysmal stuff just repeating Hamas propaganda. I’m sure there’s a lot of news organizations struggling on whether to report on what Israel has said or what Hamas has said. Who else knows what’s going on until it’s all over?

[schmittel]

They’ve had some decent reporting like the above by Stephen Sackur but some absolutely abysmal stuff just repeating Hamas propaganda. I’m sure there’s a lot of news organizations struggling on whether to report on what Israel has said or what Hamas has said. Who else knows what’s going on until it’s all over?

Sure we can't trust the spin that Israel puts out and nor can we trust Hamas.

But surely we can trust what an independent UN commission says?

[knownunknown]

Sure we can't trust the spin that Israel puts out and nor can we trust Hamas.

But surely we can trust what an independent UN commission says?

Where do they get their information from? The special Rapporteur that the UN assigned to the case was far from impartial, Francesca Albanese.

Here is UNWatch calling out her bias.
https://unwatch.org/un-watch-refutes-bi ... -albanese/

And the countries of France and Germany both calling out her anti semitism.

[marhay70]

Sure we can't trust the spin that Israel puts out and nor can we trust Hamas.

But surely we can trust what an independent UN commission says?

Independent of whom?

[schmittel]

Where do they get their information from?

Israeli authorities mainly. There is no dispute about the acts committed or statements made.

Explicit statements by Israeli civilian and military authorities and the pattern of conduct of the Israeli security forces indicate that the genocidal acts were committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as a group.

The report is based on all the Commission’s prior investigations, as well as factual and legal findings in relation to attacks in Gaza carried out by Israeli forces, and the conduct and statements of Israeli authorities from 7 October 2023 until 31 July 2025.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... sion-finds

[schmittel]

Independent of whom?

Independent of both Israel and Palestine. i.e impartial.