IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[jmayo]

I don’t know why this person gets almost beatified btw. She really got stylised into this poster child when she was just an ordinary person.

Ah come on.
She was a symbol of what most people would have considered a good young Irish woman starting out in life.

A recently qualified primary school teacher, a traditional Irish musician, a camogie player who was brutally murdered in broad daylight near her home.

Most parents would be glad if their daughter grew up to someone like her and most families would be happy to have her a sibling.

And all of that was brutally ended.

[Bubblypop]

Oh do grow up ffs.

No one is buying your crap - and calling people concerned about who we’re walking down the street with as “salacious gossips” is as beneath any decent person as the blanket racist accusations.

But you do you eh.

Perhaps you should 'grow up'
You don't know the first thing about investigations obviously or how AGS operate.
If the general public need to be concerned about the people involved in this case, they will be informed. There is no need. Neither is there any need for AGS to keep them updated, it's laughable really that you think that should happen. Investigators have far more important things to do then feed gossip.

[Bubblypop]

Folks just put some posters on ignore.
Otherwise you just start creating unnecessary work for the Guburnor.

This is a discussion site, it might have been quiet for a long time, but it was still somewhere you could come to discuss something with most posters.

Some posters are not interested in a real discussion.

They will often argue semantics.
Hell if they were discussing the theory of relativity with Einstein they would rubbish his posts claiming he wrote
e = mc2
rather than
e = mc squared

They argue on anything but actual facts and good old fashioned common sense.
That is because the facts don't back them up and common sense is an alien concept to them.

And then when that isn't working they throw the insults hoping to get a rise out of people.

They have used the same playbook elsewhere, although they were greatly aided by the moderators.
They are tying to do the same here, wind up people and then make work for moderator.

They can post all they want but don't bother engaging.

Sorry Guburnor I am not trying to stop people posting, but it is perfectly obvious how some posters are winding people up since they arrived.

It's obvious that you are trying stop people posting.
Perhaps that's why there is so little traffic on here, because certain posters wish to silence those that don't agree with them on everything.

[knownunknown]

I don’t know why this person gets almost beatified btw. She really got stylised into this poster child when she was just an ordinary person.

I don’t know about anyone else but for me it was because she was just out for a run during the day. It could have been anyone victimized in such a way. She wasn’t out drinking or on drugs, she was just minding her own business having a run down by the canal.

Most murders are done by people known by the victim, random senseless acts of violence like this are thankfully not very common here.

[Jequ0n]

I don’t know about anyone else but for me it was because she was just out for a run during the day. It could have been anyone victimized in such a way. She wasn’t out drinking or on drugs, she was just minding her own business having a run down by the canal.

Most murders are done by people known by the victim, random senseless acts of violence like this are thankfully not very common here.

And it could have been anyone. I don’t have anything against Murphy (why would I) but I remember feeling quite irritated by the ott queen of hearts reporting at the time. My issue is with how the media exploited the situation, not about the victim.
But maybe you people are more affected by it.

[Jequ0n]

Ah come on.
She was a symbol of what most people would have considered a good young Irish woman starting out in life.

A recently qualified primary school teacher, a traditional Irish musician, a camogie player who was brutally murdered in broad daylight near her home.

Most parents would be glad if their daughter grew up to someone like her and most families would be happy to have her a sibling.

And all of that was brutally ended.

I don’t think she deserved what happened to her at all. But the media obsession and coverage was insane from what I could see.

[Jequ0n]

It's obvious that you are trying stop people posting.
Perhaps that's why there is so little traffic on here, because certain posters wish to silence those that don't agree with them on everything.

I don’t see any attempt to silence anyone here, but advice to stop engaging in in thread drama. It’s not bad advice at all. Many people dislike my views and I’m ok it they chose to ignore me therefore.

[ceannairceach]

I don’t see any attempt to silence anyone here, but advice to stop engaging in in thread drama. It’s not bad advice at all. Many people dislike my views and I’m ok it they chose to ignore me therefore.

I think often times people who have an agenda to push, as opposed to the rest of us who are just opinionated, go one way and that is to respond to a post with “nope”; “you’re wrong” or “you just don’t understand..”

Passive aggressive and not debating.

If I were to post the stat thst 10m euro per year in child benefit goes to children not living in Ireland then feel free to ask for a source (you’ll get one) or argue that it’s no problem and then argue why.

[kadman]

I cant wait to see if justice is served when the family that tried to cover up the murderers deeds get sentenced in October. Justice is a long time coming.

[Bubblypop]

I don’t think she deserved what happened to her at all. But the media obsession and coverage was insane from what I could see.

I agree, it was completely ott and I remember thinking were the president and Taoiseach going to go to every victim of murder from that on.

[Bubblypop]

I don’t see any attempt to silence anyone here, but advice to stop engaging in in thread drama. It’s not bad advice at all. Many people dislike my views and I’m ok it they chose to ignore me therefore.

Well discussing putting posters on ignore, so as to not engage with them, is absolutely an attempt to silence them. Just because I may have a different opinion to some posters on some issues isn't thread drama, that's just normal life, not everyone agrees.

[NewBroom]

Popular Dublin restaurant closes after 16 years due to ongoing issues with asylum seekers in the area:
https://gript.ie/mamma-mia-cafe-closes- ... situation/

Another of many examples where our governments of recent years pay lip service to indigenous Irish businesses, the sort of people who work hard to pay their way in society and provide services to the community. Our boyos on their comfortable seats in the Dáil couldn't give much of a crap, addicted as they are to the pipeline of multi national taxes and beggaring us to our EU masters, taking in all and sundry who rock up.

All up and down the west coast, the tourism businesses unaffected are those catering to the 5 star golfing crowd. They even benefit by taking on foreign national staff on pittance of wages and poor conditions. Those in tourism catering for people of more modest incomes have been been royally screwed.

Never forget this at the ballot box, revenge will be served cold.

[NewBroom]

I cant wait to see if justice is served when the family that tried to cover up the murderers deeds get sentenced in October. Justice is a long time coming.

Best thing to do here is summary deportation. We don't need or want residents like this. Waste of public money to pursue this further.

[Jequ0n]

Well discussing putting posters on ignore, so as to not engage with them, is absolutely an attempt to silence them. Just because I may have a different opinion to some posters on some issues isn't thread drama, that's just normal life, not everyone agrees.

No, it is generally good advice unless someone mentions you by name. If someone wants to ignore me I am ok with it, so why would you care?

[Bubblypop]

No, it is generally good advice unless someone mentions you by name. If someone wants to ignore me I am ok with it, so why would you care?

Of someone wants to ignore me, that's grand, they can. The discussions about ignoring posters and telling each other to do it, is just a means to try silence people. Just proves that they don't want anyone that has a different opinion then them to have a voice. It's everything they claim was wrong with another site

[Jequ0n]

Of someone wants to ignore me, that's grand, they can. The discussions about ignoring posters and telling each other to do it, is just a means to try silence people. Just proves that they don't want anyone that has a different opinion then them to have a voice. It's everything they claim was wrong with another site

I think ignoring someone (or suggesting it if it is obvious that opinions will be clashing) is sensible. It’s not like anyone called for you to be ignored across the board.

[Bubblypop]

I think ignoring someone (or suggesting it if it is obvious that opinions will be clashing) is sensible. It’s not like anyone called for you to be ignored across the board.

Well, I think you must be reading something different to me then!

[Jequ0n]

Well, I think you must be reading something different to me then!

No, I’m actually always right. It’s a curse and a blessing.

[Dubit10]

Folks just put some posters on ignore.
Otherwise you just start creating unnecessary work for the Guburnor.

This is a discussion site, it might have been quiet for a long time, but it was still somewhere you could come to discuss something with most posters.

Some posters are not interested in a real discussion.

They will often argue semantics.
Hell if they were discussing the theory of relativity with Einstein they would rubbish his posts claiming he wrote
e = mc2
rather than
e = mc squared

They argue on anything but actual facts and good old fashioned common sense.
That is because the facts don't back them up and common sense is an alien concept to them.

And then when that isn't working they throw the insults hoping to get a rise out of people.

They have used the same playbook elsewhere, although they were greatly aided by the moderators.
They are tying to do the same here, wind up people and then make work for moderator.

They can post all they want but don't bother engaging.

Sorry Guburnor I am not trying to stop people posting, but it is perfectly obvious how some posters are winding people up since they arrived.

Really good advice, i fell for it a couple of times and am kicking myself as i should of known better. They are on ignore now.

[marhay70]

Never forget this at the ballot box, revenge will be served cold.

When has this ever happened in Ireland? We've had Haughey, Ahern, Cowen, Burke, Lawlor, Flynn, Kenny, Harris and probably a dozen more, who have served at the highest level of Government for FF and FG, yet who do we have in office today/ FF and FG.
There is something to the argument that the opposition is either weak or unpalatable, but that is not a reason to elect the same individual rogues over and over.

[NattyO]

When has this ever happened in Ireland? We've had Haughey, Ahern, Cowen, Burke, Lawlor, Flynn, Kenny, Harris and probably a dozen more, who have served at the highest level of Government for FF and FG, yet who do we have in office today/ FF and FG.
There is something to the argument that the opposition is either weak or unpalatable, but that is not a reason to elect the same individual rogues over and over.

We've effectively had the same government since the foundation of the state, if one admits that FF and FG are just two cheeks of the same arse.
That, unfortunately, says more about us than it does about them.

[NattyO]

Hundreds of Chinese millionaires approved for Irish ‘golden visas’ after scheme closed

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/202 ... me-closed/

“Hundreds of Chinese millionaires have been approved for Irish ‘golden visas’ since the scheme was shut two years ago, after applications in train at the time of closure were kept open despite concern about weak controls.”

“ The Government has never formally disclosed the names of investment and endowment beneficiaries, prompting questions about the lack of transparency in a scheme that exchanges Irish visas for money.”

This is ripe for corruption, and is symptomatic of all that is wrong in every facet of official Ireland’s attitude to immigration and citizenship. The whole system stinks, from IPAS to this, and there are so many opportunities for backhanders and dirty deals that one would have to be beyond naive to believe it’s all above board. Our politicians have literally sold our birthright.

[NewBroom]

When has this ever happened in Ireland? We've had Haughey, Ahern, Cowen, Burke, Lawlor, Flynn, Kenny, Harris and probably a dozen more, who have served at the highest level of Government for FF and FG, yet who do we have in office today/ FF and FG.
There is something to the argument that the opposition is either weak or unpalatable, but that is not a reason to elect the same individual rogues over and over.

Their combined vote is falling and failing as time goes on. The issue is that we've no credible alternative in the so called parties of the left, they can't agree the lunch menu between themselves.

The ground is ripe though for an alternative party of the centre ground that represents the ordinary Irish citizen and caters for our requirements.

[NattyO]

Their combined vote is falling and failing as time goes on. The issue is that we've no credible alternative in the so called parties of the left, they can't agree the lunch menu between themselves.

The ground is ripe though for an alternative party of the centre ground that represents the ordinary Irish citizen and caters for our requirements.

"an alternative party of the centre ground" - or, as the Irish media and a large online cohort would have it, the far right.
'Tis an awful coincidence that every NGO, media outlet, and commentator that receives taxpayer funds sees anything that challenges the status quo as far right.

[Headshot]

"an alternative party of the centre ground" - or, as the Irish media and a large online cohort would have it, the far right.
'Tis an awful coincidence that every NGO, media outlet, and commentator that receives taxpayer funds sees anything that challenges the status quo as far right.

The far right barely exist in ireland, they're effectively the big boogie man of Ireland

We will never have a grown up conversation as long as people get their piece of the gravy train called the immigration industry

Hell there's idiots on boards.ie effectively blaming the Italian restaurant going out of business instead of IPAS, this is what this country is getting to, these people just cannot be reasoned with.