Burke family, Castlebar

[kadman]

We cant jail rapists and pedophiles, and let them into the country without checking who the fek they are. We let men commit heinous crimes against women and children. We wont jail politicians for their shenanigans , but we put a man into a cell who has harmed no one, and his only crime is standing up for his beliefs. Countrys gone mad.

[knownunknown]

He won an appeal to have a “promoter of transgenderism” removed from the panel that was supposed to adjudicate him. Aka Asti head Kieran Christie. 2 years they spent on this one part of the case alone. ( Edit start now.)

First they said Christie wasn’t bias, now after appeal they admit he is.

It’s taking so long I suspect because they know they are in the wrong.

I hope Enoch keeps his conviction and keeps going.

[kadman]

When i see the likes of Bertie Ahern fucked into a jail cell for all his lying and misdeeds then i will believe that there is some justice for the ordinary irishman.Ordinary irishman and women are canon fodder for the justice system to convince politicians that they are keeping real criminals off the streets . In actual fact we know where they are....in the dail.

[knownunknown]

If someone is accused of bias in such a way, why would they just not remove themselves from the proceedings instead of trying to get the courts to confirm it in a two year process. The bias in this case is astounding. He wasn’t awarded costs, despite winning the appeal.

[kadman]

I recall a long list of politicians with Lowry, Ahern, Haughey to name but a few who have shown utter contempt to the justice system and electorate who never spent a day in jail, but should have.

[Bubblypop]

I recall a long list of politicians with Lowry, Ahern, Haughey to name but a few who have shown utter contempt to the justice system and electorate who never spent a day in jail, but should have.

Is it all to do with corrupt payments? If I remember, Lowry was convicted of something in court?
Anyway, you can't say someone shouldn't be in prison for breaking a court order, just because other people didn't go to prison for something completely different!

[kadman]

Is it all to do with corrupt payments? If I remember, Lowry was convicted of something in court?
Anyway, you can't say someone shouldn't be in prison for breaking a court order, just because other people didn't go to prison for something completely different!

I'm saying equal judicial punishment for all.

[Bubblypop]

I'm saying equal judicial punishment for all.

How does that work?
Everyone gets the same punishment?

[kadman]

How does that work?
Everyone gets the same punishment?

I would suggest that Mr Burke has done far less damage to the country than any of the bankers involved with the 7 billion euro Anglo bank scam.
But he has managed to serve more jail time than any of the main bankers in the fraud.

Mr Burkes bank account was raided for fines. But Mr Drumms account??

Is that a moral or just outcome in a fair society.

[Bubblypop]

I would suggest that Mr Burke has done far less damage to the country than any of the bankers involved with the 7 billion euro Anglo bank scam.
But he has managed to serve more jail time than any of the main bankers in the fraud.

Mr Burkes bank account was raided for fines. But Mr Drumms account??

Is that a moral or just outcome in a fair society.

I agree.
But just because those bankers haven't served any prison time, doesn't mean that other people shouldn't. That's ridiculous.
If you get charged with a criminal offence, do you think you shouldn't be convicted because someone else somewhere else wasn't convicted of some other offence?

[kadman]

I agree.
But just because those bankers haven't served any prison time, doesn't mean that other people shouldn't. That's ridiculous.
If you get charged with a criminal offence, do you think you shouldn't be convicted because someone else somewhere else wasn't convicted of some other offence?

If you commit a criminal offense you should be held responsible for injuring the victim. In Mr Burkes case , he would have been better off if he took part in a multi billion euro crime to defraud revenue, was responsible for for closures on peoples mortgages and losing their homes.

And the current government would have rewarded him with suspended or quashed sentences, and left him in a position to purchase a multi million euro property In Dublin as Mr Drumm did.

I would like you to explain to me how that is a just decision

[Bubblypop]

If you commit a criminal offense you should be held responsible for injuring the victim. In Mr Burkes case , he would have been better off if he took part in a multi billion euro crime to defraud revenue, was responsible for for closures on peoples mortgages and losing their homes.

And the current government would have rewarded him with suspended or quashed sentences, and left him in a position to purchase a multi million euro property In Dublin as Mr Drumm did.

I would like you to explain to me how that is a just decision

It's very obvious I would of thought.
Every offence has a different penalty.
He was held in contempt of court, so he was went to prison. He wasn't convicted of any crime.
If someone is convicted of a crime, they receive whatever the penalties are available for that offence.
This is not difficult to understand!

[kadman]

It's very obvious I would of thought.
Every offence has a different penalty.
He was held in contempt of court, so he was went to prison. He wasn't convicted of any crime.
If someone is convicted of a crime, they receive whatever the penalties are available for that offence.
This is not difficult to understand!

I never asked about the mechanics of the decision making process. I asked you do you believe it to be a just decision in both cases
given the gravity of the 2 different offences.

[Bubblypop]

I never asked about the mechanics of the decision making process. I asked you do you believe it to be a just decision in both cases
given the gravity of the 2 different offences.

Being found in Contempt of court is not a conviction, there is no other option to be made, the person must stay in custody. There is literally nothing else. Although I do believe that Enoch has shown a very serious problem with the Contempt laws and perhaps it needs to change to a criminal charge.

[NewBroom]

Leaving aside the issues at hand that have brought the Burkes to notoriety, I believe a lot of people have a grudging admiration for them. It takes guts to stand up for your beliefs and be prepared to be jailed and pilloried for many months. In relation to Enoch, by all accounts he is/ was a good teacher, has not engaged in any criminal activity, was no threat to minors. He happens to have strong religious beliefs and a desire to be true to them. The Irish education system has been and is some will argue still controlled by many similar people, except they have a staunch Roman Catholic ethos. There should always have been room for someone like Enoch in a school like Wilsons Hospital.

[marhay70]

Leaving aside the issues at hand that have brought the Burkes to notoriety, I believe a lot of people have a grudging admiration for them. It takes guts to stand up for your beliefs and be prepared to be jailed and pilloried for many months. In relation to Enoch, by all accounts he is/ was a good teacher, has not engaged in any criminal activity, was no threat to minors. He happens to have strong religious beliefs and a desire to be true to them. The Irish education system has been and is some will argue still controlled by many similar people, except they have a staunch Roman Catholic ethos. There should always have been room for someone like Enoch in a school like Wilsons Hospital.

I have always been torn by this story. My thinking was that, yes I do agree with a lot of what he says and no, you do not ignore the direction of the High Court, which of course is the reason he was sent to jail. I also felt that Wilson's Hospital, which is a school with a Christian ethos, should have had more sympathy with his views but like all similar institutions in the state, they have become the hotbeds of Wokedom.
I am not going to drive transgender or LGB people off the streets with a bullwhip, if that's the way they are and they find likeminded people to share their views, then let them at it. But don't try to tell me it's normal and even more importantly don't try to indoctrinate my children.

[ceannairceach]

I have always been torn by this story. My thinking was that, yes I do agree with a lot of what he says and no, you do not ignore the direction of the High Court, which of course is the reason he was sent to jail. I also felt that Wilson's Hospital, which is a school with a Christian ethos, should have had more sympathy with his views but like all similar institutions in the state, they have become the hotbeds of Wokedom.
I am not going to drive transgender or LGB people off the streets with a bullwhip, if that's the way they are and they find likeminded people to share their views, then let them at it. But don't try to tell me it's normal and even more importantly don't try to indoctrinate my children.

I’d partly agree - LGB people, absolutely normal and they just want to get on with their lives and I’m delighted they can now marry.

TQIAFetc - nasty misogynistic fetishists who want to indoctrinate children and subjugate women. They should be kept away from society.

Burke might be weird in some peoples eyes but he’s right in this.

[marhay70]

I’d partly agree - LGB people, absolutely normal and they just want to get on with their lives and I’m delighted they can now marry.

TQIAFetc - nasty misogynistic fetishists who want to indoctrinate children and subjugate women. They should be kept away from society.

Burke might be weird in some peoples eyes but he’s right in this.

TQIAF, not sure I've ever heard that term, I get lost trying to keep up with all the different versions of "Inclusivity".

[ceannairceach]

TQIAF, not sure I've ever heard that term, I get lost trying to keep up with all the different versions of "Inclusivity".

I make it up half the time - tbh it seemed like the advocates do that to; the minute I saw someone describe themselves as “femme presenting gender queer” I gave up.

[PogMoThoin22]

I have always been torn by this story. My thinking was that, yes I do agree with a lot of what he says and no, you do not ignore the direction of the High Court, which of course is the reason he was sent to jail. I also felt that Wilson's Hospital, which is a school with a Christian ethos, should have had more sympathy with his views but like all similar institutions in the state, they have become the hotbeds of Wokedom.
I am not going to drive transgender or LGB people off the streets with a bullwhip, if that's the way they are and they find likeminded people to share their views, then let them at it. But don't try to tell me it's normal and even more importantly don't try to indoctrinate my children.

The thing is, the school had no right to push this agenda but this is being ignored. The court acknowledged that the child, along with their parents, had made a decision to transition, and the school chose to facilitate and support the student in line with its ethos of inclusion.

In Ireland, the age of consent for legally changing gender under the Gender Recognition Act 2015 is 18 years. Individuals aged 18 and over can legally change their gender through self-identification without the need for medical assessment or intervention.

For younger people aged 16 or 17, they can apply for a Gender Recognition Certificate, but this requires parental or guardian consent, written approval from medical practitioners (a primary medical practitioner and a psychiatrist or endocrinologist), and approval from a court.

At the time the student was under 16

[knownunknown]

He’s back outside the school.

• When will this case be resolved and why is it taking so long?
• Who is Rossa Fanning and why has he(as part of the government) taken all the money that Wilson school are still paying to Burke?
• How is it in the public interest to sequester this man’s wage? link
  
• How can the attorney general take a case of public interest when he works in government, how does this make sense? It’s fecking corrupt. Link

It seems no one wants to proceed in this case because they know Enoch is right and will win. That’s the only conclusion I can draw. Keep going Enoch!

[NattyO]

I think the fact that they are taking his wages should be chilling to everyone, regardless of what you think of Enoch Burke or this case in general. It has a serious bang of Chinese social credit about it.

[Fratello]

He had an opportunity to show the trans stuff as harmful to kids but blew it by his ma roaring and shouting at the judge.
He was suspended for misconduct, aka roaring and shouting at the school event, instead of complaining properly.
He was jailed for disobeying the court order.
I see it as an opportunity lost, by him and his ma. It's a win for the pro "trans kids" crowd.
No one knows what to do with him now because most people would have given up by now.

[NattyO]

No one knows what to do with him now because most people would have given up by now.

This is why he will win (even if its a pyrrhic victory) in the end - the Irish state is used to bullying the rebel and upstart into submission - it has a long history of it, that has only accelerated in recent years. The IPAS protestors and those who preached immigration controls were painted as racist loons, to scare others away. Those who questioned the actions of the state during the covid hysteria were painted as anti-vax loons to scare away any questions. Those who dare to express criticism of government policy are far right, or conspiracy theorists.
They tried this with Burke. They called him names, they jailed him, they stole his wages, they locked him up and tried to destroy him. But there's a problem. He doesn't care. He may even be enjoying it, in a "testing my faith" kind of way. They don't know how to cope with that. He's supposed to buckle, to cave in, to repent. Now, instead of him having the problem, the state has the problem - they can't lock him up forever - not only is it illegal, it is against every international treaty and "obligation" that the government harp on about. And it makes them look like the bullies they are.
John Paul Getty once said "If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem" - well, Enoch Burke owes the bank $100m and the bank is in trouble. They will eventually have to either jail him for life, or back down. They'll back down.

[NewBroom]

He has done the citizen some service.

And of course gives posters on alternative sites an opportunity to foam at the mouth. It's amusing to see them continually getting their knickers in a twist whilst the bould Enoch couldn't give a crap.