Mary Lou for President

[NewBroom]

Senators are 'democratically elected' now?

Yes but the electorate is restricted.

[Bubblypop]

Yes they are - did you not know?

How do you make that out? Doesn't seem like a democratically elected house at all

[NattyO]

How do you make that out? Doesn't seem like a democratically elected house at all

Doesn’t matter what it seems like, it’s still a democratic system.
Half the countries in the EU use a list system, which, if the rhe Seanad isn’t democratic, makes them not democratic too. The Netherlands, Sweden, Spain and many others I can’t remember offhand.

Have you believed up to now you were living in a dictatorship?

[Bubblypop]

Doesn’t matter what it seems like, it’s still a democratic system.
Half the countries in the EU use a list system, which, if the rhe Seanad isn’t democratic, makes them not democratic too. The Netherlands, Sweden, Spain and many others I can’t remember offhand.

Have you believed up to now you were living in a dictatorship?

I don't consider people being nominated by the Taoiseach, vocational panels and a couple of universities, to be democratically elected. It's the system we have but I don't believe they are democratically elected when the electorate as a whole has little to nothing to do with it.

[NattyO]

I don't consider people being nominated by the Taoiseach, vocational panels and a couple of universities, to be democratically elected. It's the system we have but I don't believe they are democratically elected when the electorate as a whole has little to nothing to do with it.

To be fair, I dislike the system in place for the Seanad, as I dislike the list system used in many countries. That’s doesn’t make it undemocratic though. The European Parliament is no more democratic, and most people of your persuasion get very angry if you mention it.

[Bubblypop]

To be fair, I dislike the system in place for the Seanad, as I dislike the list system used in many countries. That’s doesn’t make it undemocratic though. The European Parliament is no more democratic, and most people of your persuasion get very angry if you mention it.

I honestly don't know enough about other countries systems to compare them at all. I would like to see the system changed.
I'm not sure what people of my persuasion are though

[NattyO]

I honestly don't know enough about other countries systems to compare them at all. I would like to see the system changed.
I'm not sure what people of my persuasion are though

I’ve lived in countries with the list system, and they seemed happy enough with it, but, like the European Parliament, I feel it isolates politicians from the wishes their electorate (through the PR system here does that pretty effectively too).

By people of your persuasion, I mean people who are, shall we say, enthusiastic about welcoming all and sundry to the country with little thought of the consequences.

[Bubblypop]

I’ve lived in countries with the list system, and they seemed happy enough with it, but, like the European Parliament, I feel it isolates politicians from the wishes their electorate (through the PR system here does that pretty effectively too).

By people of your persuasion, I mean people who are, shall we say, enthusiastic about welcoming all and sundry to the country with little thought of the consequences.

I must read up about their systems, Spain also ? Have a friend living there, must ask her.
I don't believe all and sundry should be welcomed. That's not me at all.

[NattyO]

I don't believe all and sundry should be welcomed. That's not me at all.

There must be another poster on here with the same name as you then!

[Bubblypop]

There must be another poster on here with the same name as you then!

Nope. Seems posters just presume things about others, based on a couple of posts

[NattyO]

Nope. Seems posters just presume things about others, based on a couple of posts

To be fair, dozens of posts defending mass immigration and attacking anyone who puts forward an alternative is a long way from presuming anything. Anyway, no matter, this isn’t the thread for it.

[Bubblypop]

To be fair, dozens of posts defending mass immigration and attacking anyone who puts forward an alternative is a long way from presuming anything. Anyway, no matter, this isn’t the thread for it.

That's not what I do. I haven't defended 'mass immigration ' nor have I attacked anyone.
I merely point out that facts and the law and the truth.
And I haven't seen any alternative, apart from foreigners should be in their own country?

[NewBroom]

I don't consider people being nominated by the Taoiseach, vocational panels and a couple of universities, to be democratically elected. It's the system we have but I don't believe they are democratically elected when the electorate as a whole has little to nothing to do with it.

I voted to get rid of the Seanad windbags when we got the chance a few years ago. How did you vote in that referendum?

[Bubblypop]

I voted to get rid of the Seanad windbags when we got the chance a few years ago. How did you vote in that referendum?

I wanted change to the Seanad, not abolish it. Reform of the upper house was promised, but never came unfortunately.

[NattyO]

I haven't seen any alternative, apart from foreigners should be in their own country?

Then you obviously don’t read my posts before responding, as I have repeatedly pointed out that we need to treat our borders like many other civilised countries do, and stop criminals and welfare dependent individuals coming in.

[Bubblypop]

Then you obviously don’t read my posts before responding, as I have repeatedly pointed out that we need to treat our borders like many other civilised countries do, and stop criminals and welfare dependent individuals coming in.

But we already do, so don't know what you're arguing Against

[NattyO]

But we already do, so don't know what you're arguing Against

Nonsense as you well know. There are tens of thousands of immigrants in this country who have never worked a day and never will, and thousands with long criminal records. Several of the murders committed by immigrants were by those who already had criminal convictions. The guy who assaulted the woman in Dublin last week has a record as long as your arm both here and abroad. It’s is nonsensical to suggest we are stopping criminals and the welfare dependent from entering. Utterly dishonest to the point of comical to try to claim it.

[Bubblypop]

Nonsense as you well know. There are tens of thousands of immigrants in this country who have never worked a day and never will, and thousands with long criminal records. Several of the murders committed by immigrants were by those who already had criminal convictions. The guy who assaulted the woman in Dublin last week has a record as long as your arm both here and abroad. It’s is nonsensical to suggest we are stopping criminals and the welfare dependent from entering. Utterly dishonest to the point of comical to try to claim it.

Tens of thousands here that have never worked? Who are they and where did you get this information?
Thousands with criminal records? Where did you get this information?
No idea who the guy that assaulted a woman in Dublin is, could be hundreds of people.
Utterly dishonest is Right.

[NattyO]

Tens of thousands here that have never worked? Who are they and where did you get this information?
Thousands with criminal records? Where did you get this information?
No idea who the guy that assaulted a woman in Dublin is, could be hundreds of people.
Utterly dishonest is Right.

Like I said, comical GG

[Bubblypop]

Like I said, comical GG

Yep. Keep making up nonsense and spreading it.
Just because your head thinks something doesn't make it true.
No evidence, no facts = made up

[NattyO]

Yep. Keep making up nonsense and spreading it.
Just because your head thinks something doesn't make it true.
No evidence, no facts = made up

Yes all in my head GG, there’s not a foreign layabout or criminal in the country. Jozef Puška, Yousef Palani, Riad Bouchaker and all the rest are innocent, hard-working Irishmen, one and all. There isn’t a Roma beggar in the land, St Patrick drove them all out with the snakes, and the IPAS centres are hives of peaceful activity.

You are either deluded or dishonest. We both know which.

[Bubblypop]

Yes all in my head GG, there’s not a foreign layabout or criminal in the country. Jozef Puška, Yousef Palani, Riad Bouchaker and all the rest are innocent, hard-working Irishmen, one and all. There isn’t a Roma beggar in the land, St Patrick drove them all out with the snakes, and the IPAS centres are hives of peaceful activity.

You are either deluded or dishonest. We both know which.

And there you are again, with your claim that I am some other rooster from some other site. Boring and pathetic.
Who has said there are no foreign people here that haven't committed crimes?
I'm really not sure what your point is, we would be very naive to think that foreign people don't commit crimes. Of course they do, as do all people of every nationality. What's the point?

[NattyO]

And there you are again, with your claim that I am some other rooster from some other site. Boring and pathetic.
Who has said there are no foreign people here that haven't committed crimes?
I'm really not sure what your point is, we would be very naive to think that foreign people don't commit crimes. Of course they do, as do all people of every nationality. What's the point?

I could go over the same points again (and again, and again) like I have many times with you, but we both know it would be a waste of time.
Enjoy your evening.

[Bubblypop]

I could go over the same points again (and again, and again) like I have many times with you, but we both know it would be a waste of time.
Enjoy your evening.

Yes, you could make whatever claims you want over and over, but there is no evidence whatsoever to prove your claims. Thanks for proving it.

[ceannairceach]

Yes all in my head GG, there’s not a foreign layabout or criminal in the country. Jozef Puška, Yousef Palani, Riad Bouchaker and all the rest are innocent, hard-working Irishmen, one and all. There isn’t a Roma beggar in the land, St Patrick drove them all out with the snakes, and the IPAS centres are hives of peaceful activity.

You are either deluded or dishonest. We both know which.

I fear your posts are falling on deaf ears - there are those so entrenched in their beliefs and ideologies that they are incapable of any meaningful critical thinking.