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[Bubblypop]

The rule is don't be a dick. That basically covers everything. The advice in interpreting the rule is if in doubt whether or not you're being a dick, err on the side of caution.

I get that's not exactly precise, but that's by design rather than accident as initially posters will more often than not be given the benefit of the doubt, and I can see how that might come across as inconsistent.

Is this related to the raping and murdering of children thing, or is there something else you need clarified?

Perhaps it would simplest if you specify where you have seen the inconsistencies and I will clarify the thinking behind the apparent inconsistencies.

So I stated in a post, that I had seen the threats made to a politicians family and I posted what they were. I was told I needed to prove my statement.
Yet I see posters claiming all sorts, that are not asked to prove them. Such as claims about the family of the missing child currently in the news. I have asked posters how they know about the family, as nothing has been reported afaik.
So this basically, I am asked to prove my statement, but others are not. That is what I'm wondering

[Bubblypop]

Why does this have to be complicated?
If someone claims something and nobody has an issue then there is no problem. If a claim is being contested both sides should provide rationale or evidence of their sources, or just admit that there is no proof. Problem solved. I somehow can’t see the problem with this one?

No problem until moderation becomes involved and inconsistencies appear

[Jequ0n]

No problem until moderation becomes involved and inconsistencies appear

Fair enough. I think it’s fair to ask to provide sources for claims.

[Guburnor]

So I stated in a post, that I had seen the threats made to a politicians family and I posted what they were. I was told I needed to prove my statement.
Yet I see posters claiming all sorts, that are not asked to prove them. Such as claims about the family of the missing child currently in the news. I have asked posters how they know about the family, as nothing has been reported afaik.
So this basically, I am asked to prove my statement, but others are not. That is what I'm wondering

The mod intervention in your case was not for making a claim without proof, it was for derailing the thread by repeatedly accusing other posters of defending child rapists and murderers.

I said to cut out the accusations specifically about child rapists and murderers unless you could either point to a specific instance of somebody here saying child rape and murder is ok or point to something credible to show that the behaviour they were defending was a threat to rape or murder a child.

If you really need this spelt out clearly you were not modded for making a claim without proof. You were modded because I thought that you were being a dick in repeatedly accusing posters of defending child rapists and murderers in an attempt to derail the discussion.

The claim about the family of the missing child was not modded because I thought the poster was simply making a point that they thought was relevant to the discussion. It wasn't attempt to derail the discussion nor was it an attempt at a slight on specific poster.

That poster and that claim at that point thus enjoyed the benefit of the doubt from a mod point of view. I didn't think the poster was trying to be a dick. From a discussion point of view as Jequ0n noted above: If someone claims something and nobody has an issue then there is no problem. If a claim is being contested both sides should provide rationale or evidence of their sources, or just admit that there is no proof.

I hope this clarifies what you believe to be an inconsistency.

Bottom line is keep it simple, don't be a dick, if in doubt err on the side of caution.

[Bubblypop]

The mod intervention in your case was not for making a claim without proof, it was for derailing the thread by repeatedly accusing other posters of defending child rapists and murderers.

I said to cut out the accusations specifically about child rapists and murderers unless you could either point to a specific instance of somebody here saying child rape and murder is ok or point to something credible to show that the behaviour they were defending was a threat to rape or murder a child.

If you really need this spelt out clearly you were not modded for making a claim without proof. You were modded because I thought that you were being a dick in repeatedly accusing posters of defending child rapists and murderers in an attempt to derail the discussion.

The claim about the family of the missing child was not modded because I thought the poster was simply making a point that they thought was relevant to the discussion. It wasn't attempt to derail the discussion nor was it an attempt at a slight on specific poster.

That poster and that claim at that point thus enjoyed the benefit of the doubt from a mod point of view. I didn't think the poster was trying to be a dick. From a discussion point of view as Jequ0n noted above: If someone claims something and nobody has an issue then there is no problem. If a claim is being contested both sides should provide rationale or evidence of their sources, or just admit that there is no proof.

I hope this clarifies what you believe to be an inconsistency.

Bottom line is keep it simple, don't be a dick, if in doubt err on the side of caution.

I would just like to clarify here if I can, I never suggested posters were defending child rapists or murderers. Posters were suggesting that it was understandable that someone would threaten innocent children. I stated that it is not understandable in anyway, and most parents would agree. To put it simply, I posted that I didn't believe anyone could defend someone threatening innocent children (no matter what the harm, in this case the threat was as I stated)
I do not believe any poster would defend child rapists or murderers and I never accused them of such. I did accuse them of defending someone who was threatening harm to children.
As I said on thread, I won't bring up the type of harm again, I just wanted to clarify this point.

[Guburnor]

I would just like to clarify here if I can, I never suggested posters were defending child rapists or murderers.

I do not believe any poster would defend child rapists or murderers and I never accused them of such.

You were modded for this post which was quoted the first time you asked for clarification:

Oh right, your life experience allows you to threaten to rape and murder children does it?
Not sure at all why you are arguing this, noone agrees that it is ok or understandable

If you were being given the benefit of the doubt, at best it could be said you only inferred this poster was defending threats to rape and murder children.

Please drop this, it was initially a simple and polite mod intervention to stop the thread being derailed that could have been left at that. With the greatest of respect, continuing to argue the point is coming across as very disingenuous.

[ceannairceach]

You were modded for this post which was quoted the first time you asked for clarification:



If you were being given the benefit of the doubt, at best it could be said you only inferred this poster was defending threats to rape and murder children.

Please drop this, it was initially a simple and polite mod intervention to stop the thread being derailed that could have been left at that. With the greatest of respect, continuing to argue the point is coming across as very disingenuous.

Excellent feedback - keep the receipts!!!

[ceannairceach]

Given that the central tenet is “don’t be a dick” - it is deeply concerning that in the last few days there are posters who have that trait as their MO.

It’s definitely starting to feel like either we’re just unlucky and have the social media wing of Hamas writing on our site or more likely there’s been a concerted effort from the other place to stifle and shut down discussion.

No back and forth; no site. They prevail.

[Guburnor]

Given that the central tenet is “don’t be a dick” - it is deeply concerning that in the last few days there are posters who have that trait as their MO.

It’s definitely starting to feel like either we’re just unlucky and have the social media wing of Hamas writing on our site or more likely there’s been a concerted effort from the other place to stifle and shut down discussion.

No back and forth; no site. They prevail.

A disagreement doesn't automatically equate to somebody being a dick. You have strong views on the Israel/Palestine situation. Other posters have equally strong, but opposing views. We ought to be able to accommodate both viewpoints.

And I don't think there are reds under the beds here.

[ceannairceach]

A disagreement doesn't automatically equate to somebody being a dick. You have strong views on the Israel/Palestine situation. Other posters have equally strong, but opposing views. We ought to be able to accommodate both viewpoints.

And I don't think there are reds under the beds here.

The difference is one side is not dismissing the claims of women to have been raped.

[Guburnor]

The difference is one side is not dismissing the claims of women to have been raped.

All discussion of this entire topic is riddled with both sides dismissing the claims of the other side as propaganda.

In this instance an individual poster (rather than a side) made a claim on the thread and provided links to back up the claim.

Rather than engage in a discussion about why and how the posters claims were wrong, and why the sources they linked are not credible, you chose instead to report the post and make your feelings known on this thread. You've previously requested that the thread be locked. And you're complaining about no back and forth, and an effort to stifle and shut down discussion?

I know that this that this subject is particularly emotionally charged, but if you're not willing to engage in a civil discussion on the subject, fair enough, but please just ignore the poster and allow others to have the discussion.

[Jequ0n]

The difference is one side is not dismissing the claims of women to have been raped.

Why is this specifically an issue? Not having a go at you, just curious why it bothers you so much what someone else thinks.

[ceannairceach]

Why is this specifically an issue? Not having a go at you, just curious why it bothers you so much what someone else thinks.

Because for every person who disbelieves a woman is raped when there is cast iron proof it makes it so much harder for women to be believed.

[Jequ0n]

Because for every person who disbelieves a woman is raped when there is cast iron proof it makes it so much harder for women to be believed.

What cast iron proof? Again, I’m not trying to be difficult here but I don’t see much credibly evidence from either side in any conflict.

[ceannairceach]

What cast iron proof? Again, I’m not trying to be difficult here but I don’t see much credibly evidence from either side in any conflict.

Survivors’ stories - and tbh I think I’ll bow out of this.

Typical.

[jmayo]

What cast iron proof? Again, I’m not trying to be difficult here but I don’t see much credibly evidence from either side in any conflict.

Ah seriously Jequ0n are you trying to deny the rape and murders that occurred on Oct 7th?
Are you saying it was propaganda?

BTW I have seen some try claim it was propaganda.
These are usually the types that revert to making claims about "small hats" running the world mind.
That is one thing that has put me off Gript as some of the posters that were around there were the type that engaged in holocaust denial and lauded the nazis.

I have also read comments by those, non Israelis as well, that have said they have seen video footage taken by Hamas of what was done on Oct 7th and that it is truly sickening and it shocks them how anyone can defend hamas.

[knownunknown]

Because for every person who disbelieves a woman is raped when there is cast iron proof it makes it so much harder for women to be believed.

It’s fairly disgusting I read it too but the only way to change someone’s mind is with evidence and debate. The majority of Ireland hold these disgusting opinions I would guess. We are one of the most woke far left places around and our media has a large part to play in that problem. There is no balance.

[Jequ0n]

Survivors’ stories - and tbh I think I’ll bow out of this.

Typical.

Stories aren’t proof. Not saying it didn’t happen but I wouldn’t call this ironclad proof.

[Jequ0n]

Ah seriously Jequ0n are you trying to deny the rape and murders that occurred on Oct 7th?
Are you saying it was propaganda?

BTW I have seen some try claim it was propaganda.
These are usually the types that revert to making claims about "small hats" running the world mind.
That is one thing that has put me off Gript as some of the posters that were around there were the type that engaged in holocaust denial and lauded the nazis.

I have also read comments by those, non Israelis as well, that have said they have seen video footage taken by Hamas of what was done on Oct 7th and that it is truly sickening and it shocks them how anyone can defend hamas.

I’ll respond on the dedicated thread. I had just been curious why this seemed divisive enough to be made into a feedback topic.